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Sheikra hardly qualifies as a forceless coaster. The feeling after that first drop is amazing. Happy that my state of Florida has some of the more forceful B&M's out there. The pretzel loop on Manta at Sea World is one intense inversion too. I can't wait to see what a rebuilt Hulk coaster will be like when it opens in 2016.

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I seriously hope you're joking.

 

Just because I am curious... But have you ever been on either SheiKra or Griffon? Because if you have been on either of them then you would know they are NOT "forceless" coasters.

Yeah actually I have. Griffon is a really fun coaster, one of my favorites actually. It definitely does have its moments, but none of those moments are anything like a 90's intense B&M.

Dive machines, by their nature (just like wing coasters), need to be spread out because of the wide trains. The drop is all floater, the Immelmann is intentionally slow, and the rest of the ride is the cherry on top. A really, really good cherry.

 

I'm sure I (and almost everybody except a few enthusiasts) are going to love Valravn, but there's no reason to try to make it out to be something it's entirely not and not trying to be.

 

I'm not saying Griffon or potentially Valravn are going to be Silver Bullet level forceless, but saying it's as intense as a ride like Batman or its neighbor down below (which epitomize 90's B&M's) is just way too much.

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Silver Bullet isn't that forceless. I don't get why people hate on it so much.

I was using it as a point of comparison. I haven't had he chance to make it out to Knotts but it's accepted as one of the less intense B&M's so it at least makes my point.

And actually, I'd say the same thing for Griffon. It's not forceless by any means, but it's certainly no Batman or Raptor.

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Why does every thread have to go back to B&Ms and their forces? So tiresome.

First of all, because B&Ms used to be the go-to company for OMFG HOLY CRAP rides...and then they transitioned into "well, that was fun" rides. Imagine if all of a sudden RMC started to make coasters with gentle floaty transition and floater airtime instead of what they make now. That's exactly what has happened with B&M.

 

IMO, B&M has never made a "bad" ride, but all their latest offerings from the last ten years are so much more conservative than the ten years before that.

 

Secondly, if you're tired of those conversations, why are you responding to them? Clearly some people aren't tired of discussing this topic because it keeps coming up. Feel free to not read or respond to the things you aren't interested in.

 

Black Mamba was not very forceful. Fun? Yes. Great theming? Yes. Forceful like the pre-2000 B&M inverts? Not at all.

I've heard from friends that BM is as forceful as nemesis.

Yeah, no. Not even close. I'm not sure how anyone could have ridden Nemesis and then rode Black Mamba and not laughed in it's face. It might be one of the more forceful rides to come out of B&M post 2004, but compared to the old school rides they did? Doesn't touch them at all.

 

Silver Bullet isn't that forceless. I don't get why people hate on it so much.

It's all perspective. There are only about 10 B&Ms that I haven't ridden, and comparing the inverts, Silver Bullet IS probably one of the more forceless ones out there. The entire layout up until the helix is completely floaty and graceful. There isn't anything intense about it at all. The helix just starts to get good and then BAM, the ride ends. What a shame. I think the bad rap it gets is completely justified.

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I don't understand the whole more marketable thing. It's Orlando. No offense to Intamin but B&M is more reliable then Intamin and usually has more capacity. Is it safe? Yes but people come anyway. Tourists just see new and tallest in Orlando

 

My other neighbor is a PETA member.

 

 

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I will never get why enthusiasts prefer a ride that has airtime so intense, it hurts (Skyrush and El Toro), and rides with positives so intense it can be uncomfortable (I305, and Tatsu), to rides that are really comfortable, are int the middle when it comes to airtime, and positive's, and overall fun (any B&M hyper).

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^To you, those rides might hurt or be too intense to be enjoyable. To others like myself, there is absolutely nothing painful about El Toro (and it's airtime is extremely comfortable in my experience) or I-305 that hampers the experience. Sure, I-305 causes me to grey out. Sure, I'd love to be able to do 20 consecutive on I-305 instead of five (which I understand is still more than many can handle), but the intensity and overall fun-factor of I-305 far outweighs trading that for being able to have a conversation throughout the ride, which is easily done on most B&M hypers.

 

What it comes down to for me, if I could only ride one more coaster before I die, would I want something predictable and floaty, or something ridiculous that is worth the slightest bit of discomfort for a moment?

 

However, if you find yourself wanting to ride something floaty and "comfortable" like I described, then that's great too! Everyone has their own opinions, it just happens that most people that are into coasters enough to be on this site prefer the types of rides I do (El Toro, I-305).

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^To you, those rides might hurt or be too intense to be enjoyable. To others like myself, there is absolutely nothing painful about El Toro (and it's airtime is extremely comfortable in my experience) or I-305 that hampers the experience. Sure, I-305 causes me to grey out. Sure, I'd love to be able to do 20 consecutive on I-305 instead of five (which I understand is still more than many can handle), but the intensity and overall fun-factor of I-305 far outweighs trading that for being able to have a conversation throughout the ride, which is easily done on most B&M hypers.

 

What it comes down to for me, if I could only ride one more coaster before I die, would I want something predictable and floaty, or something ridiculous that is worth the slightest bit of discomfort for a moment?

 

However, if you find yourself wanting to ride something floaty and "comfortable" like I described, then that's great too! Everyone has their own opinions, it just happens that most people that are into coasters enough to be on this site prefer the types of rides I do (El Toro, I-305).

Opinions? I didn't know such a thing existed in the coaster community.

Everyone does have a right to their opinion. That being said, I think the way a coaster should be made is have a mix of really forceful parts, and forceless parts. Coasters usually just be really forceful for the entire ride, or be forceless for the entire ride.

I'm very excited for Mako. Can't wait to the hammer head turn after the first drop is built, so that the conversation can move from how it's going to be forceful, to whether or not it's a inversion.

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I will never get why enthusiasts prefer a ride that has airtime so intense, it hurts (Skyrush and El Toro), and rides with positives so intense it can be uncomfortable (I305, and Tatsu), to rides that are really comfortable, are int the middle when it comes to airtime, and positive's, and overall fun (any B&M hyper).

I don't find any of the rides you just mentioned uncomfortable at all. I think it all has to do with each individual's level of tolerance (translation: how much of a pussy they are).

 

There. I said it!

 

I find B&M hypers to be fun, but underwhelming. Intamin hypers, RMC coasters, etc, now THAT is my kind of ride. But my level of tolerance for intense rides and airtime is also very high. I'm also not a pussy when it comes to intense rides, either!

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I will never get why enthusiasts prefer a ride that has airtime so intense, it hurts (Skyrush and El Toro), and rides with positives so intense it can be uncomfortable (I305, and Tatsu), to rides that are really comfortable, are int the middle when it comes to airtime, and positive's, and overall fun (any B&M hyper).

I don't find any of the rides you just mentioned uncomfortable at all. I think it all has to do with each individual's level of tolerance (translation: how much of a pussy they are).

 

There. I said it!

 

I find B&M hypers to be fun, but underwhelming. Intamin hypers, RMC coasters, etc, now THAT is my kind of ride. But my level of tolerance for intense rides and airtime is also very high. I'm also not a pussy when it comes to intense rides, either!

Your intensity tolerance is high huh? Then I dare you to ride I305 back to back, from when the park opens, to when it closes, with the only breaks being the occasional bathroom break, and a lunch break.

I can't wait to see the trains in real life for Mako. I hope they'll be heavily themed lime Dragon Challenge's trains.

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I will never get why enthusiasts prefer a ride that has airtime so intense, it hurts (Skyrush and El Toro), and rides with positives so intense it can be uncomfortable (I305, and Tatsu), to rides that are really comfortable, are int the middle when it comes to airtime, and positive's, and overall fun (any B&M hyper).

I don't find any of the rides you just mentioned uncomfortable at all. I think it all has to do with each individual's level of tolerance (translation: how much of a pussy they are).

 

There. I said it!

 

I find B&M hypers to be fun, but underwhelming. Intamin hypers, RMC coasters, etc, now THAT is my kind of ride. But my level of tolerance for intense rides and airtime is also very high. I'm also not a pussy when it comes to intense rides, either!

Your intensity tolerance is high huh? Then I dare you to ride I305 back to back, from when the park opens, to when it closes, with the only breaks being the occasional bathroom break, and a lunch break.

I can't wait to see the trains in real life for Mako. I hope they'll be heavily themed lime Dragon Challenge's trains.

Seriously? You really don't understand what "uncomfortable" means. There is no coaster in the world that is meant for people to ride for hours on end. What Robb and I are saying is that the rides you mentioned aren't uncomfortable for one, two, or even five rides in a row.

If you can ride a ride for 10 hours straight (heck, even two hours straight), not a whole lot is happening on that ride. That's not a bad thing--it's all in your tastes. For me though, is rather ride I-305 five times than most B&M hypers twenty times in a row. Roller coasters aren't supposed to be like driving a convertible with the top down.

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I will never get why enthusiasts prefer a ride that has airtime so intense, it hurts (Skyrush and El Toro), and rides with positives so intense it can be uncomfortable (I305, and Tatsu), to rides that are really comfortable, are int the middle when it comes to airtime, and positive's, and overall fun (any B&M hyper).

I don't find any of the rides you just mentioned uncomfortable at all. I think it all has to do with each individual's level of tolerance (translation: how much of a pussy they are).

 

There. I said it!

 

I find B&M hypers to be fun, but underwhelming. Intamin hypers, RMC coasters, etc, now THAT is my kind of ride. But my level of tolerance for intense rides and airtime is also very high. I'm also not a pussy when it comes to intense rides, either!

Your intensity tolerance is high huh? Then I dare you to ride I305 back to back, from when the park opens, to when it closes, with the only breaks being the occasional bathroom break, and a lunch break.

I can't wait to see the trains in real life for Mako. I hope they'll be heavily themed lime Dragon Challenge's trains.

Seriously? You really don't understand what "uncomfortable" means. There is no coaster in the world that is meant for people to ride for hours on end. What Robb and I are saying is that the rides you mentioned aren't uncomfortable for one, two, or even five rides in a row.

If you can ride a ride for 10 hours straight (heck, even two hours straight), not a whole lot is happening on that ride. That's not a bad thing--it's all in your tastes. For me though, is rather ride I-305 five times than most B&M hypers twenty times in a row. Roller coasters aren't supposed to be like driving a convertible with the top down.

Dude no need to get hostile, that was a friendly joke. I get what you 2 are trying to say. No need to be rude.

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Your intensity tolerance is high huh? Then I dare you to ride I305 back to back, from when the park opens, to when it closes, with the only breaks being the occasional bathroom break, and a lunch break.

I did 65 rides in a row on media day. I wouldn't have a problem marathoning that ride at all.

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Your intensity tolerance is high huh? Then I dare you to ride I305 back to back, from when the park opens, to when it closes, with the only breaks being the occasional bathroom break, and a lunch break.

I did 65 rides in a row on media day. I wouldn't have a problem marathoning that ride at all.

I'd be out after the 4th ride.

You know it's funny, I feel like the last 2 pages aren't even related to SWO.

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There are only about 10 B&Ms that I haven't ridden, and comparing the inverts, Silver Bullet IS probably one of the more forceless ones out there. The entire layout up until the helix is completely floaty and graceful. There isn't anything intense about it at all. The helix just starts to get good and then BAM, the ride ends. What a shame. I think the bad rap it gets is completely justified.

 

Now I'm curious.

What B&Ms haven't you ridden?

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http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local-news/59604908-story

 

POSTED:DEC 21 2015 02:48PM EST

UPDATED:DEC 21 2015 02:48PM EST

ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - SeaWorld Orlando confirms that its iconic Sky Tower attraction is presently stuck. While no one is in immediate danger, according to park officials, some passengers have been calling 911 to report to the incident .

 

SeaWorld says it is working closely with Orange County Fire Rescue to quickly and safely remove 50 park guests who are on the ride. "We are in constant communication with the guests and team members on the ride, and all passengers are safe. The safety of our guests and team members is SeaWorld's top priority," read a statement sent to FOX 35 by SeaWorld.

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