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^Ok, I thought that must be what you were doing!

 

I DO know what you are referring to, after the announcement. I was surprised at all of the complaining, because I was quite excited about it! I suspect, as you do, that when all is said and done, the complainers will all ride it anyway, and really like it!

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AMEN!!! It's so dumb to me that a company (Premier) which made headlines and won awards and praise from all of us for taking OTSR's OFF of rides that didn't need it is now needlessly putting OTSR

Is this like spanking the monkeys?

The Ice Breaker animated POV looks pretty good, I think it will have a good amount of airtime and may be a surprise hit! With that being said can someone PLEASE explain to me why Premier insists on pu

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I really don't know why, but when it was announced that it would be 200+ ft (and the manufacture wasn't announced) many people didn't want it to be a B&M because their hypers were "forceless" or "tame" (even though I completely disagree, I love B&M hypers! ). Also, yes I was making a quip about Diamondback

I think what people misinterpret is that people aren't saying that B&M hypers are tame or forceless on their own, but they ARE compared to OTHER rides. Which I completely agree with. Case in point, let's take a look at the top 30 steel coasters from the last time Mitch's Steel Poll came out:

 

1, Expedition GeForce Holiday Park

2, New Texas Giant Six Flags Over Tex

3, Intimidator 305 Kings Dominion

4, Bizarro SF New England

5, Skyrush Hersheypark

6 Maverick Cedar Point

7, Kawasemi Tobu Zoo

8, Shambhala Port Aventura

9, Nemesis Alton Towers

10, Iron Rattler Six Flags Fiesta T

11, Katun Mirabilandia

12, Piraten Djurs Sommerland

13, Leviathan Canadas Wonderland

14, Millennium Force Cedar Point

15, Pyrenees Parque EspaNa

16, Montu Busch Gardens Tamp

17, Mega-Lite Happy Valley Song

18, Goliath Walibi Holland

19, Sky Scrapper World Joyland

20, iSpeed Mirabilandia

21, X2 Six Flags Magic Mo

22, Blue Fire Megacoaster Europa Park

23, Formula Rossa Ferrari World A.D.

24, Nitro Six Flags Great Ad

25, Eejanaika Fujikyu HighLands

26, Superman Escape Warner Bros. Movie

27, Phantom's Revenge Kennywood Park

28, Top Thrill Dragster Cedar Point

29, Kumba Busch Gardens Tamp

30, Atlantis Adventure Lotte World

 

How many B&M hypers do you see on that list? 3? Where is Diamondback, either Goliath, Apollo's Chariot, Behemoth, Silver Star, Intimidator, Raging Bull, etc? They aren't there. Because when it comes down to it, as much as people *DO* like B&M hypers, they just simply aren't as thrilling as some other coasters in the world. And that's just a harsh reality.

 

Now, granted, maybe SeaWorld doesn't need an "Expedition GeForce killer" and something like Mako will do a good enough job getting people back to SeaWorld again, but that's a whole different argument.

 

I see only in circles such as these, and where people are judging "tame" by their own personal preference, not a tangible one...

 

I guess the "tangible" item here would be the poll. While yes, it's still personal preference and that differs for various people, the poll at least collects that data and puts it into something that starts to form factual data...out of opinions. If that makes any sense.

 

Personally, B&M hypers don't get me excited. Will I ride them? Sure! Do I have fun of them? Sure! But for me, a ride that gets me excited is one that I hit the brakes and go OMFG WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED?!?!? And that's simply not what a B&M hyper does. So for me, I'm excited about Mako because I think it will be awesome for SeaWorld, but I'm not expecting it to blow me away.

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I do love B&M Hypers, and I do find them quite exciting, and full of airtime usually! In fact, they populate 5 spots in my personal steel Top 25. Having said that, I agree that they don't have that "Wow" factor after getting off that you mentioned, Robb. I'm always pleased and excited afterwards, but they are not mind-blowing. Still, I think it all boils down to personal preference, even regarding airtime. I prefer strong, but not violent airtime, while many enthusiasts seem to prefer the violent ejector. If you prefer the former, as I do, B&M Hypers are going to rank a little higher for you. If the latter, I can see where the "tame" designation is coming from...

 

Still think it's a great choice for Sea World, however!

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Granted it's not a true hyper since it's under 200ft but the only ride I've ever been on with those trains is Hollywood Dream at USJ and literally the only thing I remember after 4-5 rides using the single rider line is on my first ride thinking how comfy the seat was and wondering if I could get one for my living room. Whereas for either really good reasons or bad reasons, I remember quite a bit about nearly all the other hypers and gigas I've been on.

 

That was kind of my issue with my ride on Hollywood Dream, it was fun but not good enough to be overly memorable and not bad enough to leave a mark in my mind won't forget. If I ever ranked my coasters from top to bottom, it'd sit probably right in the middle.

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8, Shambhala Port Aventura

 

Not to go too off-topic, Robb, but what is it about Shambhala that separates it from the rest of the B&M hypers/gigas? I've watched the videos and to me, I can't really tell any differentiating factors from other ones.

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That was kind of my issue with my ride on Hollywood Dream, it was fun but not good enough to be overly memorable and not bad enough to leave a mark in my mind won't forget. If I ever ranked my coasters from top to bottom, it'd sit probably right in the middle.

This is exactly my thoughts too. I mean, every ride I take on Apollo's Chariot, for example, I have a really good time on, I'm all smiles and enjoy my ride, but I can think of at least a hundred coasters I like more than it, and a hundred coasters I like less. And from looking at Mitch's poll, that's pretty much how the majority of coaster enthusiasts feel, too.

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8, Shambhala Port Aventura

 

Not to go too off-topic, Robb, but what is it about Shambhala that separates it from the rest of the B&M hypers/gigas? I've watched the videos and to me, I can't really tell any differentiating factors from other ones.

In my opinion, nothing. I have no idea why it ranked so much higher than the others. I definitely prefer nitro. I won't say it's much better but I have no doubts I'll rank it higher.

Shambhala does have a great first drop but the airtime provided by the hills isn't as good or solid (in my opinion) as nitro's plus it has a terrible ending with a MCBR so near the end. It surely is a pretty good ride and one that everyone can enjoy but the stronger air, the forceful helix and that great triple hill ending on nitro are better.

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8, Shambhala Port Aventura

 

Not to go too off-topic, Robb, but what is it about Shambhala that separates it from the rest of the B&M hypers/gigas? I've watched the videos and to me, I can't really tell any differentiating factors from other ones.

In my opinion, nothing. I have no idea why it ranked so much higher than the others. I definitely prefer nitro. I won't say it's much better but I have no doubts I'll rank it higher.

Shambhala does have a great first drop but the airtime provided by the hills isn't as good or solid (in my opinion) as nitro's plus it has a terrible ending with a MCBR so near the end. It surely is a pretty good ride and one that everyone can enjoy but the stronger air, the forceful helix and that great triple hill ending on nitro are better.

 

Don't new coasters normally do quite well in the poll and then drop over the years? Or could it be European voters ranking it high?

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8, Shambhala Port Aventura

 

Not to go too off-topic, Robb, but what is it about Shambhala that separates it from the rest of the B&M hypers/gigas? I've watched the videos and to me, I can't really tell any differentiating factors from other ones.

While I personally haven't been on Shambhala, I'm guessing it's "European overhype." Seems to happen fairly often when a new big coaster opens in that part of the world. The enthusiasts in that region seem to over-hype new rides, from what I can tell for two reasons:

 

1. They want to appear that they have something "as good as American" or

2. There is a strange contingent of Expedition GeForce haters that want to knock it off the top spot

 

My guess is that if Mitch was still doing the poll today, it wouldn't rank as high anymore.

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Looking at that list, I've only been on 9 of the 30 coasters, so it's not unreasonable to think that my rankings would at least partially reflect some similarity, if I were to have been on more "top" coasters. Still, I know I would give Hypers more love than apparently most enthusiasts do!

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2. There is a strange contingent of Expedition GeForce haters that want to knock it off the top spot

 

If these people exist they need to be fed to some angry ostriches!

 

I am still unsure about this new coaster. I loved the 2 B&Ms the park already has but as its been said before newer B&Ms are not as good as they should be. I hope they prove me wrong and I really believe they can't drop the ball with this any harder than they did with Antartica!

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2. There is a strange contingent of Expedition GeForce haters that want to knock it off the top spot

 

If these people exist they need to be fed to some angry ostriches!

 

I am still unsure about this new coaster. I loved the 2 B&Ms the park already has but as its been said before newer B&Ms are not as good as they should be. I hope they prove me wrong and I really believe they can't drop the ball with this any harder than they did with Antartica!

 

"Angry ostriches"--

 

I still have yet to "experience" Empire of the Penguin in Orlando, but I haven't been in much of a hurry to do so.

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I still have yet to "experience" Empire of the Penguin in Orlando, but I haven't been in much of a hurry to do so.

 

 

No need to hurry, you are not missing out on anything.

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No need to hurry, you are not missing out on anything.

 

Well you say that but when me and Robb rode we got to see a penguin take a giant poop as the shutter to the enclosure opened. That was easily the best part of the whole attraction!

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I was at Aquatica Orlando a few weeks ago and I took a survey that they had near the exit. Upon completion the survey, they gave me a coupon for 20% off your complete purchase from any of the SeaWorld online shops (http://buschgardensshop.com/, http://shamushop.com, and http://shop.sesameplace.com). There's nothing that I want from any of the online shops so if anyone wants the coupon code, just send me a private message and I'll respond with the coupon code to whoever sends me a private message first.

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I mean I don't think that Mako is a bad addition to the park by any means, it certainly adds something unique for the Orlando market and despite what we enthusiasts think about B&M hypers most park goers will love it.

 

What do you mean, "we enthusiasts"? I love B&M hypers, every one I've been on is a great ride experience! Not everybody who is, shall we say, more enthusiastic than normal regarding coasters, thinks they are tame! I am very excited to ride Mako, and considering that both of SWO's previous B&M coasters are in my Top 15 coasters overall, I have a feeling it'll be another great addition!

 

 

Agreed with much of being said so far. I don't think there's a B&M hyper I don't love (including many those Robb mentioned).

 

I think the disgruntlement with B&M hypers is that we have seen what can really be engineered with under 4,000 ft of track and heights barely encroaching 200ft with the likes of Expedition GeForce and Goliath@Walibi, that it makes you wonder why some B&M hypers turned out the way they did. In the case of SFOG's Goliath or Leviathan, are they bad? No, but it alway felt like something far shorter (length/height-wise) and more thrilling could have been built for far less. And in other cases, Why was Goliath at LaRonde ever made?

 

If parks wanted more ride's like La Ronde's Goliath, we'd see them. It does feel like some rides are engineered purely for the Magnum-XL visual effect (see sheer height/towering amazement) that the aforementioned created 30+ years ago rather than ride experience. Gatekeeper may be more symptomatic of that problem than anything else.

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In the case of SFOG's Goliath or Leviathan, are they bad? No, but it alway felt like something far shorter (length/height-wise) and more thrilling could have been built for far less. And in other cases, Why was Goliath at LaRonde ever made?

 

Incidently, those three coasters you mentioned are among the few that I haven't ridden, which could account for not having as much disappointment with the genre.

 

I do wonder, often, why it is that coasters like Bizarro (SFNE) and Expedition GeForce are universally acclaimed, and yet, nobody has contracted for essentially a clone of either of them yet... I know if I were a park, I would have asked Intamin eons ago to replicate either of those coasters as much as possible! In this era of so many cloned rides out there, at different parks, is there a reason specifically why this couldn't happen with those coasters?

 

I apologize for this thread hijacking, I am just very curious about this... If there is a better thread to discuss this, feel free to direct me there!

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Not to mention that revenue and attendance were not too different from last year, just a slight drop, but profits were down, meaning that they are just spending more money, which makes sense with all they are spending on new advertising and on new attractions and exhibits this year. Attendance only dropped 100k, which on 12 parks, of which most are open year round, is not that much. Revenue dropped $13m from $405m to $392m, while profits dropped $32m, meaning they spent an extra $19m more this year than last year. So it's not just dropped attendance, which they have said the only real place they are having trouble is San Diego. San Antonio experienced a decline, but they said the awful weather was the most significant factor there. If they separated everything out and took away the San Diego parks, I bet they would be looking pretty good right now, but the California area is just going to be a tough battle for them.

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Not to mention that revenue and attendance were not too different from last year, just a slight drop, but profits were down, meaning that they are just spending more money, which makes sense with all they are spending on new advertising and on new attractions and exhibits this year. Attendance only dropped 100k, which on 12 parks, of which most are open year round, is not that much. Revenue dropped $13m from $405m to $392m, while profits dropped $32m, meaning they spent an extra $19m more this year than last year. So it's not just dropped attendance, which they have said the only real place they are having trouble is San Diego. San Antonio experienced a decline, but they said the awful weather was the most significant factor there. If they separated everything out and took away the San Diego parks, I bet they would be looking pretty good right now, but the California area is just going to be a tough battle for them.

 

Yep, the PR expense ( all those ads), California being full of willfull idiots and heavy rains in Texas early on.

 

I wish they would taper off on the counteratt attack and start promoting the parks and rides. I'm sure they will start in late 3rd quarter as families start thinking about next year. Our family wants to do San Antonio for Spring Break or late May for 2016. I look forward to Manby's presentation for the future this Fall. I wonder if we see them revisit the Abu Daubi plans as things are seemingly full bore over there again. The Orca shaped Island was just killer.

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SeaWorld Orlando sent us this press release today...

 

HIGHWAY SIGHTINGS OF SEAWORLD ORLANDO’S NEW “MAKO” COASTER

 

-- Giant piece of steel coaster track travels 1,000 miles to its Orlando home --

 

ORLANDO, Fla. (August 17, 2015) – The first piece of SeaWorld Orlando’s new 200-foot-tall hypercoaster surfaced today as it traveled from the production facility in Ohio to its new home in Orlando. Mako will be Orlando’s tallest, fastest and longest roller coaster, and will reach speeds of 73 mph along 4,760 feet of steel track when it opens in summer 2016.

 

Over the next week, the giant piece of deep indigo and ocean blue coaster track will journey on an open flatbed semi-truck nearly 1,000 miles to its destination in sunny Florida. Highway travelers in major cities along the way – including Cincinnati, Lexington, Knoxville and Atlanta – should keep an eye out for this unusual #MakoSighting.

 

As the track arrives at SeaWorld Orlando, the team will begin to create one of the world’s few true hypercoasters – a group of roller coasters known for high speeds and steep drops, and hills that create a feeling of weightlessness or “air time.” The coaster will be the centerpiece of a two-acre, shark-themed realm at SeaWorld Orlando.

 

Mako is slated to open Summer of 2016 at SeaWorld Orlando. Continue to stay up to date on all construction details and announcements on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Join the conversation using #MakoSighting.

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