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P. 274: Pipeline photos & Howl-O-Scream trip report!

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They nets have all been taken down now!

 

There are actually two nets that are permanently up right behind the unload area where the water and land meet, they where re-themed to match the surrounding. They've been cemented to the ground, as they look like. I can take a photo next time I'm there.

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You can see the nets to the right. They only extend two links where the penguins where jumping out. (unintentionally). I'll take a better photo later, this is one a friend of mine took for me today.

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So I have a question because I've never been to SeaWorld before and I'm going with my girlfriend for the first time next month. Can we get a list of animal feeding times online or do we find that out when we get to the park (she's mostly interested in the Dolphins).

 

Also, are there specific times you should visit Shamu Up Close? Their promotional material mentions that throughout the day they will have trainers there that will "enhance the experience". Should we plan around a certain time or just show up and see what's going on?

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I went and checked out Wild Days this Sunday, mainly to see Jack Hanna, but I figured I check the other stuff out as well.

 

Had a funny moment with some Asian tourists at Dolphin Point right when the park opened. I'm sure some of you are familiar with the asian tourists and their weird ideology that it's more important for people to know you were some place then to actually enjoy your time there. This is why they take sooooo many pictures of themselves standing in front of things, gotta show off to the people back home. Well this lady is standing next to me with her family, waiting for the dolphins come by so they can pet them. She's there for a good 15 minutes, but they aren't really getting close to the edge. Eventually her husband turns her around and wants to get a picture of her in front of the dolphin tank. As he's setting up the shot, a dolphin comes by and actually stops on the little ledge on the edge of the pool, right in front of me and right behind her. I start to pet it, until it starts splashing its tail. I take a couple quick steps back to avoid getting soaked, but this lady hangs in their and lets her back get completely drenched just to take this photo. The way the wall is set up, the dolphin was hidden from the cameras view, but she still had to get that shot.

 

On with the event though. I did the special showing of Blue Horizons first. This is probably my favorite year round show in Orlando and while the show itself was as awesome as always, the special Wild Days tag was disappointing. They brought the Pilot Whales out and had a trainer basically brag about how great SeaWorld is and how the government wanted them to house the whales. Total feel good campaign for the park, and the whales didn't do anything but eat some fish along the edge of the pool. Not a great start to the event for me.

 

I dipped out of the stadium after the show, over to the Nautilus Theatre to get a good seat for the 11:00 Jack Hanna show. They had some hilarious bloopers during the pre show, but most of it was more "look how great SeaWorld is". He kicked off the show by talking about the documentary for about five minutes and pointed out Dawn's mother in the crowd. He had nothing but great things to say about the park, and their conservation efforts. I'd like to think a guy his age, who's been doing this for so long, isn't just doing it for the money and actually means what he says. It was a really touching moment and a great way to start off the show. The show itself involved a lot of animals being brought out onto the stage where he would give a little background on each and tell a few funny stories. He's a fascinating guy and I could have listened to him talk about different animals all day long. But the show ended and I hopped in line to meet him. Got a chance to thank him for his remarks about Blackfish and let him know that I support SeaWorld. He seemed to really appreciate it, and shook my hand three times, lol. This was the highlight of the event by far.

 

Went to do Shamu Up Close next, and this was the lowpoint of the day. They advertise it as a continuos show in the back pool. Well I stood around for an hour and the only excitement I got to see was a trainer throwing some ice chunks to the orcas. They kept repeating over the PA that if anyone had any questions they should ask one of the employees walking around. Of course whenever they did that, the employees would get bombarded with people wanting to know when the show would start. They just kept saying it was up to the trainers, but I only ever saw that one trainer get close to the pool. Very disappointing.

 

I finished out my afternoon with Pet's Ahoy, one of the other Wild Days shows, and the only show I hadn't seen at SeaWorld. Unlike Blue Horizons, there was no preshow tag. The show itself is hilarious, and has a TON of animals in it. I enjoyed it much more than say Clyde and Seymour, where the emphasis seems way more on the script than the animals. The trainers talked for maybe three minutes total in the whole show which I was happy with. I feel like One Ocean and the Clyde and Seymour shows don't focus nearly enough on the animals. It's a whole lot of talking. Blue Horizons has a lot of non-dolphin portions, but at least the cast are doing wicked acrobatics during these portions. Anyway the special tag on Pets Ahoy began after the show ended when at least half the theatre had already left their seats; not great planning. It really only involved the trainers talking about adopting pets, and was about as entertaining as an infomercial on the subject.

 

I skipped the Clyde and Seymour Wild Days show, just because I'm not a huge fan, and I figured there's three more weeks to see it. Overall I was disappointed in the event, but the Jungle Jack show itself was awesome!

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Something I'll remember forever!

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He talked a lot about Cheetah Run over at Busch Gardens here.

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Pumba!

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Snow Leopard

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The Pilot Whale tag. Seriously, this is it. I wanted to get some more pictures, but they just led them to their back pool after this and started the regular show.

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Love the Pet's Ahoy set!

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That awning thing was filthy. Seems like bringing guests backstage would have been a perfect excuse to clean up back here...

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So I have a question because I've never been to SeaWorld before and I'm going with my girlfriend for the first time next month. Can we get a list of animal feeding times online or do we find that out when we get to the park (she's mostly interested in the Dolphins).

 

Also, are there specific times you should visit Shamu Up Close? Their promotional material mentions that throughout the day they will have trainers there that will "enhance the experience". Should we plan around a certain time or just show up and see what's going on?

 

Normally feeding times are not listed online, you'll find that out in the park. Shamu Up Close is a 15 minute continuous show that goes on through the day. As long as you are not hitting the attraction 15 minutes before park close, you'll be able to see everything everyone else does.

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http://micechat.com/54370-blackfish-backlash/ Heres another response from one of Tilikum's trainers.

So that's what, two of trainers that were featured in the film that have now come out and said that they were totally misled regarding what the film was to be about and they regret their involvement. And there have been articles from other trainers that also have said the film doesn't accurately show what goes on at SeaWorld.

 

Why are people STILL taking the word of "Hollywood" rather than the stories of these ACTUAL PEOPLE that helped in the first place?

 

This would be like if they made a movie about the Texas Giant accident and the filmmakers told RMC "Hey guys, we really need your involvement because this is going to be a film promoting the safety of amusement rides" and they go and do the interview and then it turns out that the movie is "KOASTERS KILL!!!" and they twisted their words around to make it sound like rides were unsafe.

 

Why can't people see this???

 

It's just so frustrating to me what our society has become....

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I wonder if Blackfish will get an academy award nomination... "Waiting for Superman" was a captivating documentary in 2010 that was so one sided and fabricated that the academy refused to nominate it... So my question is, will blackfish get nominated? What's your take?

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I wonder if Blackfish will get an academy award nomination... "Waiting for Superman" was a captivating documentary in 2010 that was so one sided and fabricated that the academy refused to nominate it... So my question is, will blackfish get nominated? What's your take?

I'm pretty sure it will. Part of me is saying that because I want to be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't. But I also know how screwed up the academy really is, and I get the feeling they have played their cards much better than Waiting for Superman did.

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All of this Blackfish talk inspired me to finally sit down and watch the film and see what's going on. Now, I went in with the knowledge I have been reading here for the last few months now, so that should probably be mentioned. Anyway, I felt that it was shot in an extremely sensationalist manner, that didn't really solve a story or have a true plot. They go from 'Whales are awesome' to 'capturing whales sucks' back to 'whales are awesome' and back to 'capturing whales sucks.' Then, it basically switches over and talks about how different trainers over the years have been attacked and injured.

 

I didn't like how it took every opportunity possible to say the name 'Sea World.' It must have been in the film over 100 times. I also didn't like how it discussed capturing whales back in the 70's, but then doesn't mention anything about what has improved or changed since then. It just kind of drops that point and goes into Tilikum being crazy. It says Sea World separating animals from their families back in the 1980's was bad, but then doesn't mention whether or not that practice is still occuring. It fails to mention all of the other non-Sea-World parks around the world that are probably worse off places for those animals to be.

 

At one point, they show some kind of incident report showing a list of every whale incident at Sea World. One of them started with 'Wearing a bikini, the trainer...' Really? An incident report would state the VERY FIRST THING as a trainer wearing a bikini? I highly doubt that.

 

It just annoyed me that all of it's 'facts' come from at least 25 years ago, and then there is no resolution about those facts. It just switches over to crazy whale sensationalism halfway through. I didn't find it to be a very informative or believable film due to its lack of resolutions, but I can totally see how today's America can eat it right up. Kind of sad and disappointed that I had to add one more view to the list. Anyway, just wanted to chime in on my opinion of the film.

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^^With that said, Obama's America was left out last year and many thought it would be a shoe in as well. As one sided, stupid and farcical as it was. Hopefully the Academy will see this film for what it truly is. One sided propaganda produced by a few obviously angry individuals that had an axe to grind.

 

I will send a letter of congratulations to the academy if they pass on this one.

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All of this Blackfish talk inspired me to finally sit down and watch the film and see what's going on. Now, I went in with the knowledge I have been reading here for the last few months now, so that should probably be mentioned. Anyway, I felt that it was shot in an extremely sensationalist manner, that didn't really solve a story or have a true plot. They go from 'Whales are awesome' to 'capturing whales sucks' back to 'whales are awesome' and back to 'capturing whales sucks.' Then, it basically switches over and talks about how different trainers over the years have been attacked and injured.

 

I didn't like how it took every opportunity possible to say the name 'Sea World.' It must have been in the film over 100 times. I also didn't like how it discussed capturing whales back in the 70's, but then doesn't mention anything about what has improved or changed since then. It just kind of drops that point and goes into Tilikum being crazy. It says Sea World separating animals from their families back in the 1980's was bad, but then doesn't mention whether or not that practice is still occuring. It fails to mention all of the other non-Sea-World parks around the world that are probably worse off places for those animals to be.

 

At one point, they show some kind of incident report showing a list of every whale incident at Sea World. One of them started with 'Wearing a bikini, the trainer...' Really? An incident report would state the VERY FIRST THING as a trainer wearing a bikini? I highly doubt that.

 

It just annoyed me that all of it's 'facts' come from at least 25 years ago, and then there is no resolution about those facts. It just switches over to crazy whale sensationalism halfway through. I didn't find it to be a very informative or believable film due to its lack of resolutions, but I can totally see how today's America can eat it right up. Kind of sad and disappointed that I had to add one more view to the list. Anyway, just wanted to chime in on my opinion of the film.

 

And this is all spoken by a rational person who was able to see the movie for what it was. The problem is, you're in the VAST minority and most people are just looking at it going "OMG! They put those whales in a bathtub and they kill people out of their rage because of it! FREE WILLY!!!" Without taking into consideration any of the points you just made.

 

It's almost like the film purposely disregards all of the improvements and discoveries that have been made since the 70s and 80s.

 

With that said, it DID get a BAFTA nomination: http://awards.bafta.org/award/2014/film

 

And if there is one thing I've learned over the years, if BAFTA seems to accept it, you have a pretty good chance of the Academy accepting it as well.

 

--Robb

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^In fact, the person I watched it with was getting all tripped out by the information he was seeing. I constantly had to stop and be like 'Well, look, that was back in 1974. They haven't mentioned what's going on now.' I thought maybe they would, but it never happened.

 

I had kind of forgotten how much influence television has on people until I recently met somebody who thinks 'Coven' is real. No joke. Anyway....not much more to say about that.

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/seaworld-record-revenue/

 

(CNN) -- Propelled by fourth-quarter attendance, SeaWorld expects an estimated $1.46 billion in revenue for fiscal year 2013, the company announced Monday.

 

The results, while preliminary, are expected to be a record for the 50-year-old company. SeaWorld reported total revenue in 2012 of $1.42 billion, according to SEC filings.

 

Strong attendance numbers at its flagship locations in Orlando, Florida, San Diego, California and San Antonio, Texas, among others, helped boost the marine park's gains, despite criticism sparked by a recent documentary that raised questions about killer whales in captivity.

 

"Blackfish," directed by Gabriela Cowperthwaite and acquired by CNN at the Sundance Film Festival, first aired on October 24.

PETA takes on SeaWorld at Rose Parade

SeaWorld fights back on 'Blackfish'

 

Since then, at least nine musical acts, including Trace Adkins, Willie Nelson, Trisha Yearwood, Heart, Cheap Trick and Barenaked Ladies, have canceled planned concert appearances at the park while other artists, such as Joan Jett and Edgar Winter, have asked that their music no longer be used in shows featuring the sound-sensitive orcas.

 

SeaWorld has said "Blackfish" focuses on only a handful of events from the park's history and ignores its contributions to education, preservation and animal research.

 

In a news release, the company noted SeaWorld's animal rehabilitation program has rescued more than 23,000 animals as of late last year.

 

"We are very pleased with our fourth quarter performance, particularly for the SeaWorld-branded parks in Orlando and San Diego, which helped us to achieve record revenue for the year," said SeaWorld Entertainment Inc. President and CEO Jim Atchison in a news release.

 

"The success of the SeaWorld parks in 2013 suggests that the extraordinary experience offered in these parks is as meaningful today as at any point in our history. But as strong as last year was for us, we are looking forward to another great year in 2014."

 

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What even is that article? There was no logical progression of those paragraphs, it goes from record breaking revenues to randomly mentioning when CNN acquired Blackfish. But they had to slip it in there so that SeaWorld can't have any good publicity even though they clearly deserve it. CNN is just trying to ride on Blackfish as long as people will care, and that could be a long time if it wins an Oscar.

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/seaworld-record-revenue/

 

Since then, at least nine musical acts, including Trace Adkins, Willie Nelson, Trisha Yearwood, Heart, Cheap Trick and Barenaked Ladies, have canceled planned concert appearances at the park while other artists, such as Joan Jett and Edgar Winter, have asked that their music no longer be used in shows featuring the sound-sensitive orcas.

Translation: Celebrities are just as dumb as the next person.

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I wonder if Blackfish will get an academy award nomination... "Waiting for Superman" was a captivating documentary in 2010 that was so one sided and fabricated that the academy refused to nominate it... So my question is, will blackfish get nominated? What's your take?

I'm pretty sure it will. Part of me is saying that because I want to be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't. But I also know how screwed up the academy really is, and I get the feeling they have played their cards much better than Waiting for Superman did.

 

we'll know tomorrow for sure (nom's announced)

 

apparently, here's the shortlist (the one's I'm expecting to see get Nom's I've bolded):

 

The Act of Killing - Final Cut for Real

The Armstrong Lie - The Kennedy/Marshall Company

Blackfish - Our Turn Productions

The Crash Reel - KP Rides Again

Cutie and the Boxer - Ex Lion Tamer and Cine Mosaic

Dirty Wars - Civic Bakery

First Cousin Once Removed - Experiments in Time, Light & Motion

God Loves Uganda - Full Credit Productions

Life According to Sam - Fine Films

Pussy Riot: A Punk Prayer - Roast Beef Productions

The Square - Noujaim Films and Maktube Productions

Stories We Tell - National Film Board of Canada

Tim's Vermeer - High Delft Pictures

20 Feet from Stardom - Gil Friesen Productions and Tremolo Productions

Which Way Is the Front Line from Here? The Life and Time of Tim Hetherington - Tripoli Street

 

although I would REALLY hope that "Blackfish" spot goes to "20 Feet from Stardom" instead . . . but I have a feeling "Blackfish" will get a nom (tho it most certainly won't win).

 

I loved "Which Way is the Front Line from Here?". . but the film just didn't work for anyone who wasn't already familiar with his work (unfortunately)

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