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No type of advanced society is bent on exploiting animals.

 

Humans have been exploiting animals for food and as beasts of burden since the dawn of civilization, arguably earlier if you look how animal skins/furs were used for warmth. Animals are natural resources same as a plant, tree, or anything underneath the surface of the Earth. Plants are considered living things, just like animals. Only plants can't move about and make cute faces or adorable noises. As a vegetarian, you're still denying a plant's right to live and killing it in the most horrific means possible so you can eat. Is an animal so different just because it can walk, make a sound, eat, and crap? Humans live off the planet's natural resources. Always have, always will. We're not perfect, but we are doing a better job of that now than we have in the past.

 

To your point about SeaWorld and seafood, I don't think SeaWorld offers as food the same sea life it puts on display on animal tanks. If it did, then maybe you'd have a point. AFAIK, SeaWorld serves up the same sort of mystery meat fish, shrimp, maybe lobster that could be found in most any restaurant in the world. The world is not going to run out of cod, trout, shrimp, lobster, or any other common ocean delicacy any time soon. Manatees, dolphins, otters, killer whales and the like aren't on anyone's dinner plate at SeaWorld or hardly anywhere else save for the people who literally live on the ocean. That's where the distinction is. There's nothing controversial about serving fish sticks in a restaurant while a killer whale show goes on down the street, just like there's nothing wrong with a zoo serving hamburgers. We aren't eating every animal that walks on land or swims in the sea. The ones we do eat would not be featured in anyone's conservation effort because there wouldn't be any reason. If cows or chickens were endangered, most people wouldn't eat them. There's no issue there.

 

Or am I wrong?

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No type of advanced society is bent on exploiting animals.

 

Humans have been exploiting animals for food and as beasts of burden since the dawn of civilization, arguably earlier if you look how animal skins/furs were used for warmth. Animals are natural resources same as a plant, tree, or anything underneath the surface of the Earth. Plants are considered living things, just like animals. Only plants can't move about and make cute faces or adorable noises. As a vegetarian, you're still denying a plant's right to live and killing it in the most horrific means possible so you can eat. Is an animal so different just because it can walk, make a sound, eat, and crap? Humans live off the planet's natural resources. Always have, always will. We're not perfect, but we are doing a better job of that now than we have in the past.

 

To your point about SeaWorld and seafood, I don't think SeaWorld offers as food the same sea life it puts on display on animal tanks. If it did, then maybe you'd have a point. AFAIK, SeaWorld serves up the same sort of mystery meat fish, shrimp, maybe lobster that could be found in most any restaurant in the world. The world is not going to run out of cod, trout, shrimp, lobster, or any other common ocean delicacy any time soon. Manatees, dolphins, otters, killer whales and the like aren't on anyone's dinner plate at SeaWorld or hardly anywhere else save for the people who literally live on the ocean. That's where the distinction is. There's nothing controversial about serving fish sticks in a restaurant while a killer whale show goes on down the street, just like there's nothing wrong with a zoo serving hamburgers. We aren't eating every animal that walks on land or swims in the sea. The ones we do eat would not be featured in anyone's conservation effort because there wouldn't be any reason. If cows or chickens were endangered, most people wouldn't eat them. There's no issue there.

 

Or am I wrong?

 

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Pardon me, but I am going to be a black....sheep in this threads recent conversation by directing a question to SharkTums. I saw that you said the park was doing a "bogo" on fun cards for the next few weekends and was wondering if this was just for SWO or might they be doing this at Busch Gardens Tampa also? Thanks for any response.

Just SWO it's being sold at.

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We've seen the film. To me, it felt a lot like An Inconvenient Truth or Sicko or any of those so-called documentaries. Not one shred of peer-reviewed research, just a bunch of emotional stories involving animals. And as most of the Internet would attest, humans love personifications of animals. The fact is, we don't actually understand this planet at all. We don't get how animals act, we don't understand our impact on the world's natural environments. Heck, we don't even know what the ocean floor looks like. As those who know me will attest, my mantra had been for some time now, that people are not generally good or generally evil. People are generally stupid.

 

So to say that we know how an animal feels about a given situation is nothing more than hubris. I've seen elephants in our local circus here that are just doing what they've been told, and some that are absolutely getting a kick out of performing. You can see it on their faces. Animals have personalities, and every animal is different. You can't paint them all with the same brush, and anyone who actually works with animals will tell you this. So no, not all the whales want to be free. Some probably do, and others actually like being in captivity better. The point is that they're not all the same, any more than humans are the same. I'd expect probably about 2/3rds of the people on this forum to disagree with my political opinions, and that's just okay. We all feel differently about things--and that difference of opinion actually helps us thrive as a species. Why should we expect animals to be any different? We humans love to think ourselves above the rest of the animals. What pride we have.

 

So that was what I took away from the film, that they were trying to present what all orcas want, and that is frankly absurd. All orcas don't want the same things, any more than all humans want the same things. We will eventually get to Orlando, when the kids are at the right age. We're looking at probably 2017 at this point. And when we go, we fully plan on making Sea World and Busch Gardens Tampa part of the trip. I feel these are just the coolest zoos on Earth--and why would you pass up something this awesome? One of the great things about us bloody stupid, wonderful humans, is that we actually try to care for the other species on this planet. Sure, sometimes we don't live up to what we ourselves are trying to do. But I don't see any other species on Earth trying to care for other animals, so maybe our faltering steps are as good as it gets. The people at Sea World are trying to learn about the world we live in, and to me, that's the very greatest thing any of us could ever do.

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peoplemovermatt...

 

You clearly didn't read anything I posted. Seaworld, no matter what kind of seafood they sell, still supports COMMERCIAL FISHING, which in turn reeks havoc on the ocean and *the animals that live in it. Like sea turtles, sea horses, manta rays, dolphins and sharks..all of which, GASP, can be found at Seaworld for your viewing pleasure. Millions die every year due to reckless fishing practices. Why isn't Seaworld conserving these animals? Oh thats right, because those companies supply them with food. Regardless, just because Seaworld doesn't display a tuna, doesn't mean its ok for them to support killing them.

 

And ok. This is the best retort everyone seems to come up with? Seriously? Ill put it this way. Humans are a part of this planet, but we are MORALLY CONSCIOUS beings, something that is relatively unique to us. For example, we understand animals feel pain. And can suffer. They have interests. Therefore, continuing to kill them and exploit them is morally incomprehensible. Its wrong. Humans have been exploiting this planets resources since the dawn of time, yes, but that makes it ok? Humans killed 6 million jews and enslaved an entire race of people, too. Doesn't mean we should keep doing it what our past is made up of. Plants do not have a nervous system. Plants are not conscious. Fruits, for example, are meant to be eaten, thats part of why they exist. That argument is laughable and honestly, all around retarded. Besides, if you had to choose based on morality...i think the blank, motionless fruit or vegetable is a better choice than the screaming, struggling, bleeding animal.

 

Part of humans evolving is abandoning the idea that animals are here for humans to exploit. Its an out of date, ignorant thought process that clearly you still own.

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Humans are not designed to eat meat. That, my friend, has been fed to you since birth and its pretty ignorant of you to still believe such nonsense. Humans eat meat/milk/eggs because it tastes good. THATS IT.

 

Ok, so I wasn't going to reply to you until I saw this completely ridiculous statement. Please provide a link to your source.

 

Humans are biologically designed to eat a wide variety of plant and animal material. This makes our species omnivorous. Look at your teeth! They are divided into four distinct groups, which are incisors, canines, premolars, and molars. Each group specializes in a different task. Incisors are used for shearing sharply, canines are used for holding food and tearing it apart (like meat!), premolars are a basically a combination of canines and molars, and molars are used for grinding food into smaller pieces for digestion. Humans can live off plant matter, but they are designed to eat meat and plants. THATS IT.

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Plants do not have a nervous system. Plants are not conscious.

 

For the record plants actually can react to outside forces (like insects and plant-eating animals) like most living beings. When damaged, some plants release chemicals that are nasty/poisonous to animals. Fruits and nuts are just the reproductive part of the plant, which isn't really supposed to feel or react to anything.

 

- Not really a nervous system, but close enough.

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peoplemovermatt...

 

You clearly didn't read anything I posted. Seaworld, no matter what kind of seafood they sell, still supports COMMERCIAL FISHING, which in turn reeks havoc on the ocean and *the animals that live in it. Like sea turtles, sea horses, manta rays, dolphins and sharks..all of which, GASP, can be found at Seaworld for your viewing pleasure. Millions die every year due to reckless fishing practices. Why isn't Seaworld conserving these animals? Oh thats right, because those companies supply them with food. Regardless, just because Seaworld doesn't display a tuna, doesn't mean its ok for them to support killing them.

 

And ok. This is the best retort everyone seems to come up with? Seriously? Ill put it this way. Humans are a part of this planet, but we are MORALLY CONSCIOUS beings, something that is relatively unique to us. For example, we understand animals feel pain. And can suffer. They have interests. Therefore, continuing to kill them and exploit them is morally incomprehensible. Its wrong. Humans have been exploiting this planets resources since the dawn of time, yes, but that makes it ok? Humans killed 6 million jews and enslaved an entire race of people, too. Doesn't mean we should keep doing it what our past is made up of. Plants do not have a nervous system. Plants are not conscious. Fruits, for example, are meant to be eaten, thats part of why they exist. That argument is laughable and honestly, all around retarded. Besides, if you had to choose based on morality...i think the blank, motionless fruit or vegetable is a better choice than the screaming, struggling, bleeding animal.

 

Part of humans evolving is abandoning the idea that animals are here for humans to exploit. Its an out of date, ignorant thought process that clearly you still own.

Sorry Mikey - But I think this needs to be your final post on the subject. This is getting WAAAAAAY to far into one's "beliefs" rather than "opinions" and and it's just not the type of discussion we want on these forums.

 

--Robb

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Fruits and nuts are just the reproductive part of the plant, which isn't really supposed to feel or react to anything.

 

I don't know about you, but MY reproductive system is quite reactive to different feelings.

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Fruits and nuts are just the reproductive part of the plant, which isn't really supposed to feel or react to anything.

 

I don't know about you, but MY reproductive system is quite reactive to different feelings.

 

I 100% support this statement! Especially feelings like fondling, cradling, massaging, and stroking, etc.

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I'm just going to throw my hat in the ring here and discuss an issue that many people may have missed. Yes it's blackfish related.

 

One of the things that hasn't been discussed is the current situation at CNN and why blackfish is getting the media attention it is.

 

As many of you probably know, Ted Turner/CNN essentially created the 24 hour news cycle in America. CNN was the ratings leader for years and controlled the majority of viewership in the US for cable news channels.It was hard news with little editorial. A few years ago, Fox News figured out that if they'd "editorialize" their news and pick a particular slant they'd strongly appeal to particular demographics/viewers and by giving an opinion their ratings went up dramatically.

 

What happened? CNN went from first to worst (well actually 3rd, but that sounded more dramatic).. For whatever reason American's love their news with a strong opinion.

 

Last year Jeffery Zucker - (former president of nbc/universal entertainment) was hired to bring CNN out of the dumps. His take was to remove as much of the hard news as possible and attempt to emulate Fox News' format. This entire "Blackfish" thing and all of its sensationalism is simply his effort to raise CNN ratings and make them the "FOX NEWS FOR LIBERALS".

 

Here's an interesting article that kind of addresses these things (nothing black fish related, but kind of gives and idea of why CNN is doing what they are doing)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2014/01/10/jeff-zucker-cnn/4422177/

 

Chris "mods, I know I'm a bit off topic, sorry" Con

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SeaWorld Announces Record Year

http://www.abc27.com/story/24432180/seaworld-entertainment-inc-announces-record-performance

 

SeaWorld Entertainment, Inc. Announces Record Performance

ORLANDO, Fla., Jan. 13, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- SeaWorld Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: SEAS) today announced preliminary revenue results for fiscal year 2013. The results are subject to completion of the Company's audit procedures.

 

Driven by record fourth quarter total attendance at the Company's SeaWorld-branded parks in Orlando, Fla., San Diego, Calif. and San Antonio, Texas, total revenue for 2013 is expected to be approximately $1.46 billion which would represent a full-year record for the Company in its 50-year operating history.

 

Additionally, the Company reaffirmed its full-year 2013 Adjusted EBITDA guidance range of $432 million to $442 million. Final earnings anywhere within the guidance range also would represent a full-year record for the Company.

 

"We are very pleased with our fourth quarter performance, particularly for the SeaWorld-branded parks in Orlando and San Diego, which helped us to achieve record revenue for the year," said Jim Atchison, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Company.

 

The Company expects to release final fourth quarter and fiscal year 2013 results in March 2014.

 

"In addition to the great holiday events that proved so popular last month, we have launched our year-long celebration of SeaWorld's 50th Anniversary. The success of the SeaWorld parks in 2013 suggests that the extraordinary experience offered in these parks is as meaningful today as at any point in our history," Atchison said. "But as strong as last year was for us, we are looking forward to another great year in 2014."

 

The fourth quarter also saw several other notable events for the Company, including Standard and Poor's upgrade of the Company's corporate credit rating as well as the completion of an underwritten secondary offering by the selling stockholders affiliated with The Blackstone Group L.P. of 18 million shares of the Company's common stock and the concurrent repurchase by the Company of 1.5 million shares of the Company's common stock directly from such selling stockholders.

 

In addition to noteworthy financial performance, Atchison said the Company also achieved a different kind of milestone in 2013: The Company's stranded animal rehabilitation program passed the 23,000-rescue mark late last year.

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^^That's really funny you posted that! We were just talking today at lunch about how CNN has finally jumped on the FOX News bandwagon! Interesting to see it pretty much confirmed. Although I think CNN gave up being a news site as soon as they paired up Anderson Cooper and Kathy Griffin!

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^^That's really funny you posted that! We were just talking today at lunch about how CNN has finally jumped on the FOX News bandwagon! Interesting to see it pretty much confirmed. Although I think CNN gave up being a news site as soon as they hired Kathy Griffin for more than 1 year!

 

 

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I guess the $50 tickets saved them. I wish other parks could do that.

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^^^^Don't get me started. I look at a serious journalist like Martin Savidge and I see pain in his eyes. Why can't they release this man chained to the anchor chair from his sorrowful captivity and allow him to thrive in his natural environment - the field, as an ethical newsman?

 

http://themedreality.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/retraction-of-sorts-of-comments-about-cnn/

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SeaWorld Announces Record Year

 

SeaWorld Entertainment, Inc. Announces Record Performance

ORLANDO, Fla., Jan. 13, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- SeaWorld Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: SEAS) today announced preliminary revenue results for fiscal year 2013. The results are subject to completion of the Company's audit procedures.

 

That is very good news! Hopefully they'll bump up the dividend a little bit based on these results.

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