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^See but here's the thing, I respect your opinion and side of things because we know from your previous posts over years that you've always been an animal rights guy and are against all of this stuff across the board.

 

What I don't respect is all of these flyby night sudden animal activists JUST harping on SeaWorld when there are a million other zoos, petting farms, aquariums, etc. out there that are much worse.

 

It's like those fair weather fan sports people!

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Of course there are groups against zoos, circuses, etc. I never implied/suggested otherwise. If there is no genuine motive/cause behind the movie, what is its motive? It certainly brings attention to one example of animals in captivity. However, there are zoos, circuses, etc. that also confine animals. What should those who watch the film do afterward? Schools cancel field trips to Sea World, but do they also cancel trips to zoos? Do they teach children to avoid a future career as a zookeeper? This seems like a "flavor of the week" type documentary that is produced by somebody who supposedly could care less about the issue.

 

It does seem to create a bevy of these people who supposedly and suddenly care about these animals. (like the schools). Where were they before? Nothing against your opinion, but I think if I was to boycott Sea World, I would have to go "all in" and do the same for any type of animal exploitation. But, I don't think Peruvians will stop eating guinea pigs any time soon. I think there is nothing wrong with creating healthy living spaces for these animals, but if Sea World goes down, every zoo, petting zoo, aquarium, and circus needs to do the same.

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There are movements and campaigns against zoos and circus performers and everything else you had mentioned, not just against SeaWorld. And the director of the film is already on record as saying that she had no real intention of making the film pro x or x in either way and she does not side with either side.

 

This is my biggest problem with the film. It is very clear the controversy the film created is exactly what the director and CNN wanted to have happen. We wouldn't be having this discussion and people wouldn't be reacting so passionately if the documentary was merely meant to be an educational piece (See Ken Burns as an example of someone who can produce documentaries without controversy). So I don't buy that for a second.

 

Ultimately, as with everything else in life---there are legitimate pros and cons to the things Sea World does. There is no right or wrong answer, because there is an argument and counter-argument to everything. The only actual losers will end being the animals themselves, when Sea World makes inevitable changes to how they do things and donations to their conservation fund slow down.

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There are movements and campaigns against zoos and circus performers and everything else you had mentioned, not just against SeaWorld. And the director of the film is already on record as saying that she had no real intention of making the film pro x or x in either way and she does not side with either side.

 

This is my biggest problem with the film. It is very clear the controversy the film created is exactly what the director and CNN wanted to have happen. We wouldn't be having this discussion and people wouldn't be reacting so passionately if the documentary was merely meant to be an educational piece (See Ken Burns as an example of someone who can produce documentaries without controversy). So I don't buy that for a second.

Exactly, my beef isn't about whether people are for or against animal rights or whatever, my beef is that people turn on a 90 minute "movie" and think they are experts in the field.

 

I've seriously had cashiers at Kroger and line cooks at McDonalds tell us on our Facebook page all about animal rights and speak as though they are some authority while they are quoting the film. I'm sorry guy at McDonalds (Seriously, not making this up), but I just cannot take you seriously on the subject matter because you watched a documentary. And that's the problem with America. So many people are making decisions like stopping a school field trip over a movie without actually knowing the full story or having a clue what they are fighting for or against, or why.

 

I'm for educating America on how to make better decisions, not about the animals. (Sorry guys!)

 

I don't even care who's side you're on, just make sure you hear everyone one and you actually know what you're talking about before you take sides.

 

The movie wasn't about the animals. The movie was about getting a bigger paycheck for the filmmakers on their next project. I wish more people would understand that's the true agenda with things like this.

 

--Robb

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I applaud Sea World for putting out this letter. I think what they do does more to benefit marine life than most other organizations. My son and I are more than happy to making a trip there Saturday and will never tire of the awesome wonder of these animals. Sea World Parks and their sister parks are the most nourturing of their animal residents I've ever encountered. Hey they're good enough for the likes of people like Jack Hannah!

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There are movements and campaigns against zoos and circus performers and everything else you had mentioned, not just against SeaWorld. And the director of the film is already on record as saying that she had no real intention of making the film pro x or x in either way and she does not side with either side.

 

This is my biggest problem with the film. It is very clear the controversy the film created is exactly what the director and CNN wanted to have happen. We wouldn't be having this discussion and people wouldn't be reacting so passionately if the documentary was merely meant to be an educational piece (See Ken Burns as an example of someone who can produce documentaries without controversy). So I don't buy that for a second.

Exactly, my beef isn't about whether people are for or against animal rights or whatever, my beef is that people turn on a 90 minute "movie" and think they are experts in the field.

 

I've seriously had cashiers at Kroger and line cooks at McDonalds tell us on our Facebook page all about animal rights and speak as though they are some authority while they are quoting the film. I'm sorry guy at McDonalds (Seriously, not making this up), but I just cannot take you seriously on the subject matter because you watched a documentary. And that's the problem with America. So many people are making decisions like stopping a school field trip over a movie without actually knowing the full story or having a clue what they are fighting for or against, or why.

 

I'm for educating America on how to make better decisions, not about the animals. (Sorry guys!)

 

I don't even care who's side you're on, just make sure you hear everyone one and you actually know what you're talking about before you take sides.

 

The movie wasn't about the animals. The movie was about getting a bigger paycheck for the filmmakers on their next project. I wish more people would understand that's the true agenda with things like this.

 

--Robb

 

Right. The death of a trainer created a filmmaking opportunity. While it is argued that Sea World profits over the "exploitation and cruelty" of its animals, so too does Gabriela Cowperthwaite and CNN. The film is hardly altruistic. Would this film have been created if the trainer had not been killed? Probably not. That said, it is tragic that there are suddenly all of these "Save the Whales" people that get caught up in this documentary without thinking more carefully about the entire story.

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I've seriously had cashiers at Kroger and line cooks at McDonalds tell us on our Facebook page all about animal rights and speak as though they are some authority while they are quoting the film. I'm sorry guy at McDonalds.

 

Really? Employees at McDonalds and Krogers are animal rights experts? Google "McDonald's" and "animal welfare" and "Kroger's" and "animal welfare." That's the funniest, most hypocritical thing I've heard all day. Thanks Robb!

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I applaud Sea World for putting out this letter. I think what they do does more to benefit marine life than most other organizations. My son and I are more than happy to making a trip there Saturday and will never tire of the awesome wonder of these animals. Sea World Parks and their sister parks are the most nourturing of their animal residents I've ever encountered. Hey they're good enough for the likes of people like Jack Hannah!

 

Contrary to what the activists want you to believe, the park was insanely busy today (And this past week). 60 minute wait for Paddle Boats, 75 minute wait for Skytower, 80 for Antarctica, ect. Operations were decent as well. Of course, I know this is a busier week than normal, but still. Good luck and have fun at the park! It goes to show that most people in the world don't give a crap about Blackfish. It's not going to hurt attendance to the point where SeaWorld will panic or even miss it.

 

Source: Was at park today.

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Still never visiting Seaworld after watching that documentary. Nothing can make up for the lies they have told their trainers and the public. They seem like they're only trying to save their asses. Killer Whales do not belong in captivity no matter what so called "special care" they're receiving.

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I'm glad SeaWorld has finally fired back about the false allegations made against their parks. Here's what I think, and what I think you must remember. "Blackfish" is a documentary, and just because it's a documentary doesn't mean it's completely accurate. The produces knew there was an audience out there that doesn't support SeaWorld, and that's why they made the film. To be fair, the producers and writers of "Blackfish" are actually very smart people. They produced the film for one reason, and that reason was MONEY! Give it to them. They succeed.

 

They have successfully turned a lot of folks against SeaWorld, and made a lot of dough. This was strictly a business move. They could probably care less about SeaWorld, but they saw an opportunity and went for it. Heck, even users discussing the film on forums, and social media sites is only boosting the popularity of the documentary. Believe me, the producers knew this would happen. So again, kudos to everyone involved in making "Blackfish." They made a smart business move.

 

Now, I'm smart enough to see through their bulls**t! I don't believe what they say, and I proudly support SeaWorld parks! They capture, cure, and release so many animals a year that are in need of medical attention. SeaWorld really does care. A lot of people agree with that, but unfortunately all the ban wagon people who saw "Blackfish" who were open enough to believe that, will not be open enough to hear SeaWorld out. So unfortunate.

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Even the Australian Sea World is having to answer posts from crazed environmentalist nutjobs, despite the fact that the Australian Sea World neither has Orcas in their park, nor are affiliated with American SeaWorld in any way.

Now, I definitely advocate animal rights, but the people calling for the parks to release all their animals into the wild is not only unrealistic but ridiculous, and the people directing accusations at the wrong park chain is just laughable.

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This is not directed to anyone here, but this is my response:

 

I love all animals, and like reading about them, and watching things on TV about them.

 

psychological - of, pertaining to, dealing with, or affecting the mind, especially as a function of awareness, feeling, or motivation

 

Blackfish is a MOVIE.

 

Several promos for this film call it a "psychological thriller". Wait a second! Silence of the Lambs, Saw, and The Exorcist are "psychological thrillers".

 

It used footage and was worded so that it puts the blame on Sea World. It also basically showed us EVERYTHING we have already seen. We've seen all the footage used in this "psychological thriller".

 

The former trainers said that they never thought anything bad would happen. After seeing the movie, my first thought was, "These people did not think an animal as big as a medium sized school bus could or would harm them?"

 

ANYTHING with a mouth can and will bite.

 

Also, places like Sea World and Busch Gardens do more good than bad. Do you know that there are animals that thrive is zoos that are classified as "EXTINCT IN THE WILD"?

 

"Extinct in the wild." Gee there's nothing wrong with THAT statement.

 

Furthermore, those of you wanting the whale released need to think about the last time an orca was released after a MOVIE brought him to everyone's attention. Keiko, the star of Free Willy was released. Up until he died of pneumonia, he had been known to seek human interaction, beg fishermen for food, and was underweight. (Google it)

 

What happens if Tilly were released and did the same thing? What would stop that orca from seeking human interaction? Attacking someone who doesn't have food for him?

 

The film Blackfish started out putting the blame on the whale stating that "he became frustrated and that is why he attacked." Then they shifted the blame to Dawn, stating that she didn't reward him, ran out of food, and kept asking the whale to do more. Then they shifted the blame to Sea World for not having more safety measures in place. Are you freaking serious?

 

There are bombings at marathon races, shootings, car accidents, HIGH gas prices, and yet everyone jumps on the "I hate Sea World Bandwagon" because of a M O V I E from a no name director who just got all her nominations and wins with this movie.

 

There are a LOT of things this "psychological thriller" left out, such as most movies do.

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The next documentary expose of Sea World should explore why they used selections from the Beetlejuice soundtrack in Journey To Atlantis.

 

 

No, It should explore how Journey to Atlantis doesn't get you wet, Has broken effects, and shows you the twist in the queue line TV's

 

On my last visit several years ago, the short dip after the big visual drop flooded my boat, I couldn't tell what was "broken" and what was "garbage", and the queue monitors that were working featured a generic Sea World logo.

 

Was I lucky, or not? Hell, I can't tell.

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The next documentary expose of Sea World should explore why they used selections from the Beetlejuice soundtrack in Journey To Atlantis.

 

 

No, It should explore how Journey to Atlantis doesn't get you wet, Has broken effects, and shows you the twist in the queue line TV's

 

On my last visit several years ago, the short dip after the big visual drop flooded my boat, I couldn't tell what was "broken" and what was "garbage", and the queue monitors that were working featured a generic Sea World logo.

 

Was I lucky, or not? Hell, I can't tell.

 

That happens all the time there! We usually put someone in the front who has never been, then have everyone lean forward at that part. WHOLE front of the boat goes under. First 2 rows are SOAKED!

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Remember we live in the reality tv society now where people will by into anything such as this documentary. Heck many still believe pro wrestling is real! Maybe if people in this country actually tried to learn and not just get on a bandwagon with the rest of these activists and agenda forming meat heads we might actually start taking a step forward as a society.

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Having worked at SFDK during the time of Shouka(who ultimately ended up at SeaWorld San Diego), I feel I have a fairly decent insight to the treatment of these animals. SFDK tried everything they could do to make Shouka happy and comfortable while continuing their learning and attempts at preservation of such a great animal. When they were ultimately unsuccessful in providing the absolute best conditions for her, they gave her to someone who could, SeaWorld. And while it was a financial negative for the park, the understanding that you are dealing with something beyond just a theme park attraction and a living animal, they made the right decision to give her a better life.

 

These people are passionate and live their lives to the betterment of these animals. They want nothing but the best for them and these nut jobs saying they heartlessly abuse these animals are just ignorant and deserve to be sent to Antarctica with nothing but a tank top to fend for themselves. It's disgusting. GOOD FOR YOU SEAWORLD!

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Still never visiting Seaworld after watching that documentary. Nothing can make up for the lies they have told their trainers and the public. They seem like they're only trying to save their asses. Killer Whales do not belong in captivity no matter what so called "special care" they're receiving.

 

One less person in line for Manta and Kraken

 

On another note, I'm glad Sea World is finally fighting back against all this controversy. Ignoring the crazy animal rights activists wasn't going to work in the long run anyway. I don't think Sea World intentionally harms its animals. The animals look to be pretty well cared for (at least on my visits to Busch/SW).

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Sucks to hear about what happened to Willy. I didn't realize that they are all bred in captivity..but there had to be some "caught" even if it was a while ago. I don't know, I was sitting at Sea World in San Antonio on the TPR trip last summer watching the Shamu show and it just didn't sit right with me…that weird face the orcas make after a trick when they go up to a trainer and open their mouths for fish, or the crazy stuff they make them do just for the amusement of humans, just don't think it's right. I will still go to Sea World and ride the coasters, just feel bad for the whales and dolphins. I don't really like zoos for the same reason.

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I watched the blackfish documentary and Im sure there are things SeaWorld managers have done or requested simply for the sake of business, trading whales to parks like professional teams trade players. There were things shown in the documentary that Im sure goes on simply because I know thats the way the world works. But with that said Im not going to stop going to SeaWorld. There's ways that SW can improve their treatment of animals and Im sure they'll continue to do so. In all seriousness I find the dolphin and shamu shows boring and rarely watch them, but they're the main draw to the parks. Without those, the parks wouldnt survive. If the parks close, Id imagine all the good work they do to aupport animals around the world would also go away as well.

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