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Well if a flat ride goes there, I have no idea what it could be, I guess anything. But I'm hoping a coaster goes there, maybe an Intamin Zacspin or some kind of insane Eurofighter coaster..........something good. Otherwise I have no idea what they are going to do.

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^I agree. I had the same thoughts at the rumored tearing down of SFMM. Good thing they sent the bulldozers to Psylone instead! However, this would turn out to be a widespread rumor (large enough to make some news stations). While SF was considering selling the park, it was quite unlikely it would become real-estate. I hope the same final story can apply to CGA, though.

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Just an update on Firefall, it's gondola is back in place finally. Towards the end of the day, the ride actually was moving, just doing a few slow rotations though, which it did shortly after I took the image below.

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^Great! Can't wait to ride when it opens (soon, by the looks of it).

 

Slightly off topic, but I found this on Newsplusnotes...anybody guess what it is? Hint: It's from a certain park in Pennsylvania

 

[attachment=0]invertiblue.jpg[/attachment]

I'm guessing the invertigo with a new paint job?

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^Great! Can't wait to ride when it opens (soon, by the looks of it).

 

Slightly off topic, but I found this on Newsplusnotes...anybody guess what it is? Hint: It's from a certain park in Pennsylvania

 

[attachment=0]invertiblue.jpg[/attachment]

I'm guessing the invertigo with a new paint job?

 

That is one butt ugly color scheme...blue on blue just doesn't go well together.

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Well if a flat ride goes there, I have no idea what it could be, I guess anything. But I'm hoping a coaster goes there, maybe an Intamin Zacspin or some kind of insane Eurofighter coaster..........something good. Otherwise I have no idea what they are going to do.

 

A ride like abismo at parques de attractiones might fit at cga.

 

 

Also good news for CGA regarding NFL

http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/Lockout-remains-after-appeals-court-sides-with-NFL-1382546.php

 

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How is the NFL lockout continuing good news for CGA? The NFL isn't going to dry up and blow away. The stadium issue will still have to be dealt with sooner or later. As long as it's still looming over CGA, all it does is continue to provide uncertainty that will make it highly unlikely that Cedar Fair will invest significantly in the park unless the issue is resolved in their favor.

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It's a good thing because it gives cedar fair and Santa Clara more time. Yea it won't dry up but if anything is learned from the hockey lockout it hurts the fans and players. Basically it's good news and even if it is built the stadium would make more problems then cga. I have said in many other posts it is the politics of the cities that is more affecting the stadium being built. Scbb has being around since the 1920s I believe so it proves that cga can survive. It brings in enough money and because invertigo is gone the money they are bringing in won't go to that maintenance nightmare of a ride.

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When you guys say Invertigo was a maintenance nightmare, how exactly do you mean that? Wasn't that the most reliable of all the Invertigo/GIB coasters? Besides the one major breakdown the whole world knows about, what other incidents would classify it as a maintenance nightmare? Everytime I have gone to the park that ride has been open and operating unless it was going through rehab, but I have never had any problems with it and I have gone many, many times. So, what classifies it as a maintenance nightmare?

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Just to be clear, the NFL lockout in no way prevents the 49ers from continuing their plans for a new stadium. The day to day functions of the teams can go on as normal. It is simply that they are not allowed to have any interaction with their players/draft picks/free agents. Any business dealings that teams or league have with other parties (i.e. the City of Santa Clara, Cedar Fair) can continue as normal. As has been stated in this thread, Cedar Fair is activly looking to sell CGA to the 49ers.

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So you are telling me CF has been activly trying to sell cga for the past 10 years when the didn't own it? Yea like I keep saying it's politics between the cities. The 49ners would already be down in Santa Clara. It's like when the Oakland a's wanted to move to San Jose.

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And if it dosen't happen by the end of Kinzel's term as CEO (which it most likely won't) then it won't get sold. That's just Kinzel wanting to get rid of another park that they never wanted to take care of. He will be out here soon enough, so don't try to act as if it's a sure thing.

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^...No, I'm not sure where you are getting the 10 years thing from. Dick Kinzel has stated that CF is currently trying to sell the park to the 49ers. The quote from him is on page 170 of this thread.

 

My dad actually. He has been reading about it for the past 10 years. It's kind of like how they say the next big earthquake will happen every 30 years but never does. They said 30 years when my parents were little and 30 years now. Let's not forget also that Worlds of Fun has always been on the chopping block as well.

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I'd agree that the future is looking pretty grim for CGA. And although a lot of people on here are seeing this new Inverti-Garden as a good sign, I'd like to point out that GL similarly used landscaping to cover up removed attractions ("Central Park" to cover up the remains of Mr. Hyde's Nasty Fall, Khoi ponds to make the old lazy river look better, etc). So, there's evidence to suggest that a new garden isn't necessarily a good thing.

 

And Kinzel visits all of CF's parks, regardless of how prominent they are in the chain; as long as CGA is part of the Cedar Fair family, it still falls under his responsibility. So I'm not sure this is a good sign either.

 

I still think that Invertigo's removal spells out CGA's doom. CF executives have repeatedly gone on record saying that you have to spend money to make money. Right or wrong, CF really seems to believe that they have to invest in their parks on a regular basis if they want to maintain a consistent level of attendance. CF doesn't downsize their parks; their overall business plan is to invest, invest, invest. If they do remove an attraction from a park, they replace it. GL stands out as the only time they've ever truly downsized, and everyone saw how that turned out. Given CGA's incredible ambiguity on the "attraction" they're developing to replace Invertigo, I have very little faith anything is actually in the works. Typically, I feel like CF would've given a little more detail regarding the new attraction to ease the aggravation of a loss.

 

Of course, only time will tell, but so far, I don't see any real signs of hope for this place.

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When you guys say Invertigo was a maintenance nightmare, how exactly do you mean that? Wasn't that the most reliable of all the Invertigo/GIB coasters? Besides the one major breakdown the whole world knows about, what other incidents would classify it as a maintenance nightmare? Everytime I have gone to the park that ride has been open and operating unless it was going through rehab, but I have never had any problems with it and I have gone many, many times. So, what classifies it as a maintenance nightmare?

 

I have a question, if it was a maintenance nightmare why would Cedar Fair relocate it to another park where it would continue to be a maintenance nightmare as opposed to selling it off

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I also have a gut feeling CGA is in danger. I'm trying to be optimistic but I honestly think that what is in Invertigo's place (Inverti-Garden) is a bad sign. Why would CGA put in a garden in the area where they say a new attraction will go up next year? I think the writing could be on the wall IMO...

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As grim as everyone is making it sound, maybe all the negativity in this thread can spell out the doom. If you really want to keep the park the way to keep it going is to care about it. CF can't do all the work in order to invest they need money and in order to make money they need attendance. If you want it to stay make group days with friends, schools etc to make attendance go up. There is always a solution to a problem and it doesn't always have to be a solution like GL. Think about it this way what if (big what if) but what if for some reason a higher up in CF management reads this thread and see's all the negativity. It will just further the doom of the park but if we try as GP/Coaster enthusiasts want to see this park succeed then it really is up to us.

 

Also for the stadium, unless CF found a loop hole it is an FCC regulation that an NFL team can't own a theme park as it hurts the business' around it

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As was said already, simple inexpensive landscaping looks a lot better than a pile of dirt and the simple landscaping can be easily removed when the attraction is ready to go in. Seriously, if it was your park, would you leave an ugly pile of dirt there for all to see or spend a little money on some nice looking temporary landscaping?

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As a former Invertigo supervisor, I'd like to comment that I've seen our attendance actually rise this season. At least on Saturdays. School groups here for whatever reasons have made coaster lines consistantly long on Saturday afternoons. I'm not sure if this is a good sign, but all we can do is hope. And visit the park, make attendance rise people!

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