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Nice, they haven't said when it's going to open yet, right? It seems like with how quick the painting happened and the sign being up it could be opening relatively early in the season...(I assume that's just wishful thinking, though)

 

I would think the park would be having major problems with management if it didn't open opening day now. It would be a crime if it wasn't

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The plan actually details a 245 foot hyper coaster, a 240 foot tall Tower ride, an 80 foot tall water slide tower, a 140 foot tall swinging ride, and a slingshot.

 

I'm really looking forward to these if it comes true. I might actually pay attention to the government now with this

 

Also said that there could be an "increase of noise" near Grizzly. I wonder what that could mean........

 

 

OMF RMC Gruzzly 2018

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This is really a treasure trove of information to dork out about, but this right here seems to be the most exciting part of the project.

 

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Aside from that, this is also pretty interesting...

 

Park Schedule and Hours of Operation The proposed Master Plan PD Zoning park schedule will allow year -round operations to occur at Great America (365 days/year). Daily hours of operation for all rides, attractions and entertainment venues, restaurants and hospitality are proposed to be extended to 10:00 AM to 1:00 AM . The amphitheater will also be allowed for concert and event use from 10:00 AM to 11:00 PM Fridays and Saturdays and from 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM Sunday through Thursday. The water park hours will be 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM with new safety lighting installed . The proposed commercial/entertainment district (Zone 1) will have year -round operations. The hours for all restaurants, retail shops, entertainment/bar and indoor theater/event facilities will be 6:00 AM to 1:00 AM . As proposed, special events and overnight private events could occur year-round, any day of the week with Great America open 24 hours. A limit of 24 overnight events will be allowed per year, including but not limited to Grad Nights, camp outs, Corporate Buyouts, club events (i.e. Girl Scouts), and overnight stays. No exterior rides will be operated after 1 :00 AM. Eight (8) events will be allowed outdoor amplified entertainment until 1:00 AM with an additional 16 events per year allowed amplified entertainment until 12:00 AM Entertainment occurring indoors may be provided all night. Maintenance activities of the theme park will be allowed to occur 24 hours a day as needed.

 

While it's obvious that the park itself will not be open 365 days a year, it looks like they want to extend their hours significantly.

 

I've only skimmed the surface of this but it's really, really interesting.

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This is really a treasure trove of information to dork out about, but this right here seems to be the most exciting part of the project.

 

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Aside from that, this is also pretty interesting...

 

Park Schedule and Hours of Operation The proposed Master Plan PD Zoning park schedule will allow year -round operations to occur at Great America (365 days/year). Daily hours of operation for all rides, attractions and entertainment venues, restaurants and hospitality are proposed to be extended to 10:00 AM to 1:00 AM . The amphitheater will also be allowed for concert and event use from 10:00 AM to 11:00 PM Fridays and Saturdays and from 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM Sunday through Thursday. The water park hours will be 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM with new safety lighting installed . The proposed commercial/entertainment district (Zone 1) will have year -round operations. The hours for all restaurants, retail shops, entertainment/bar and indoor theater/event facilities will be 6:00 AM to 1:00 AM . As proposed, special events and overnight private events could occur year-round, any day of the week with Great America open 24 hours. A limit of 24 overnight events will be allowed per year, including but not limited to Grad Nights, camp outs, Corporate Buyouts, club events (i.e. Girl Scouts), and overnight stays. No exterior rides will be operated after 1 :00 AM. Eight (8) events will be allowed outdoor amplified entertainment until 1:00 AM with an additional 16 events per year allowed amplified entertainment until 12:00 AM Entertainment occurring indoors may be provided all night. Maintenance activities of the theme park will be allowed to occur 24 hours a day as needed.

 

While it's obvious that the park itself will not be open 365 days a year, it looks like they want to extend their hours significantly.

 

I've only skimmed the surface of this but it's really, really interesting.

 

It definitely is. I recommend skimming and finding the parts about the park itself, as there is a lot about the environment and like 5 pages on bird migration.

 

Also interests me that Orbit (ride itself) reaches a higher max sound output than Gold Striker

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I just wish CF would buy the land that the office spaces occupy. Not only would it give more room for expansion, but it would eliminate those pesky neighbors who complain about 'noise'. I'm sorry but when you are inside a building, a roller coaster is not going to be THAT loud. At least not loud enough to warrant complaints. But, I doubt any of that will happen any time soon.

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I just wish CF would buy the land that the office spaces occupy. Not only would it give more room for expansion, but it would eliminate those pesky neighbors who complain about 'noise'. I'm sorry but when you are inside a building, a roller coaster is not going to be THAT loud. At least not loud enough to warrant complaints. But, I doubt any of that will happen any time soon.

 

Do you want to offer the millions (plural) for the land that I would rather have spent on rides? It isn't realistic for them to buy the offices, because 1. They don't want to move out of an already way too crowded silicon valley and 2. It would cost so much money.

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I just wish CF would buy the land that the office spaces occupy. Not only would it give more room for expansion, but it would eliminate those pesky neighbors who complain about 'noise'. I'm sorry but when you are inside a building, a roller coaster is not going to be THAT loud. At least not loud enough to warrant complaints. But, I doubt any of that will happen any time soon.

 

 

Yup, same complaints at Dorney. The newly developed houses back behind the employee lot, they are some of the ones that complain about noise.

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In reaction to the plan documents: Good! We need a good hyper coaster in this state that isn't a let down (Goliath waves ashamedly). If this went through, we'd have the tallest full circuit ride in the state, which is just what Great America needs: a real record holder.

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^That would actually be pretty significant. Nowhere in the American west does there exist a good, long, full circuit hyper. Goliath is my lowest-ranked hyper coaster, even ranking a good deal lower than Steel Force. Goliath was actually a huge letdown to me even when it was the literally first hyper coaster I had ever ridden. This was because I went to SFMM for the first time relatively shortly after I first started getting into coasters. I had been reading online things about how coaster enthusiasts love hyper coasters so much, and I was excited after finding out Magic Mountain had a hyper coaster. After riding Goliath, I had no idea why enthusiasts kept talking about hyper coasters so much. I seriously thought that hypers must be the most overrated thing ever. However, I was given the opportunity to go to Cedar Point a few years later, and I was able to experience rides like Millennium Force and Magnum. (Neither of these are my favorite coasters now, but both are much better than Goliath). Then, I began to understand the hype for hypers.

 

So basically, I thought hyper coasters were stupid for a couple years because Goliath was the only one I had ridden. Now that I have ridden Skyrush, Nitro, Phantom's Revenge, Diamondback, Magnum, Millennium Force, Steel Force, Superman (SFA), Apollo's Chariot, I305, I232, and even Titan, I can really say that Goliath does not match the quality of any of these. (I will also be able to add on Raging Bull, the wood Goliath, Expedition GeForce, and Silver Star to this list, and will probably emerge with the same view).

 

I am glad I have gotten the opportunities to ride some real hyper coasters, and I would be every excited if California were to build one, even if it is a B&M. Also, this could be a major game changer, considering that CGA is often considered the butt of a lot of jokes about California theme parks. (Though the new-ish Gold Striker is very well liked). But if they built a coaster type that even Magic Mountain cannot offer, then that would change quite a lot. This might even shift the balance in power of which NorCal park is considered to have the best coasters. (Almost everyone in the Bay Area/Sacramento/Western Nevada area believes that Six Flags has the better coasters. But I really can see a hyper changing that, even if I would still prefer an RMC over a B&M hyper in my own opinion).

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^I would say that, but I disagree with the implication of a ride like The Joker being superior to a B&M Hyper. I would take Raging Bull over The Joker any day. Even though Joker has that amazing first drop, I find the the rest of the ride to be ... whatever. I know I'm going to get eaten alive for saying this, but with TC around, I just have a hard time really enjoying Joker, despite not really expecting it to be better to begin with. It just really looses its speed after those first two hills.

 

Yes, I do believe that CGA would unequivocally become the better park with the addition of a B&M Hyper (don't hate, even the lame ones are still pretty awesome.) Although I would also like to see CGA compete with SFDK by adding a Star Flyer like Valleyfair and something to compete with Wonder Woman: Lasso of Truth. Even with Gold Striker, CGA still has a ways to go. It's going to take some effort to do so, but I'm sure they'll be able to do outdo SFDK (eventually).

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Just spent all morning reading over this 20 year Master Plan for this park. There is a crap load of info in this 200+ page plan...Wow! I feel sorry for whoever had to type that whole thing out. lol. But glad to see this park getting some love. I was there for the first time this summer and wasn't too impressed. Spent about 5 hours and I was gone and went to Santa Cruz Boardwalk instead. The park definitely needs more rides and that hyper will most definitely make the park 10 times better and hopefully they RMC Grizzly. If all this happens, I'd probably make a return visit.

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Since you probably spent more time reading through this than anyone else, was there anything noteworthy that we missed when skimming it? It's all interesting, even things about noise levels, parking on NFL game days and lighting... but aside from the fact that they're clearly looking to extend their hours and add those new rides, was there anything else that would be of interest to the masses?

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Since you probably spent more time reading through this than anyone else, was there anything noteworthy that we missed when skimming it? It's all interesting, even things about noise levels, parking on NFL game days and lighting... but aside from the fact that they're clearly looking to extend their hours and add those new rides, was there anything else that would be of interest to the masses?

 

Not really, the part that surprised me the most was that Orbit is apparently louder than Gold Stiker

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Wow, can't wait to see this "increase in noise near Grizzly", I'm sure it will be one fantastic hyper! It's interesting to me that Cedar Fair would be working with Huss for their "swing ride", and they already have Delirium, notice the Kings Dominion version is only 114ft while the Cedar Point version (MaXair) is 140ft, also its interesting how no height is given on their Slingshot.

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Wow, can't wait to see this "increase in noise near Grizzly", I'm sure it will be one fantastic hyper! It's interesting to me that Cedar Fair would be working with Huss for their "swing ride", and they already have Delirium, notice the Kings Dominion version is only 114ft while the Cedar Point version (MaXair) is 140ft, also its interesting how no height is given on their Slingshot.

 

I'm holding out hope that the "Increase in noise" has to do with an RMC of Grizzly and the hyper will go somewhere else

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It's interesting to me that Cedar Fair would be working with Huss for their "swing ride", and they already have Delirium, notice the Kings Dominion version is only 114ft while the Cedar Point version (MaXair) is 140ft, also its interesting how no height is given on their Slingshot.

If I had to guess, I would believe that this new swing ride would replace Delirium.

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Wow, can't wait to see this "increase in noise near Grizzly", I'm sure it will be one fantastic hyper! It's interesting to me that Cedar Fair would be working with Huss for their "swing ride", and they already have Delirium, notice the Kings Dominion version is only 114ft while the Cedar Point version (MaXair) is 140ft, also its interesting how no height is given on their Slingshot.

 

I'm holding out hope that the "Increase in noise" has to do with an RMC of Grizzly and the hyper will go somewhere else

 

That would be a waste of time and money.

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Just spent all morning reading over this 20 year Master Plan for this park. There is a crap load of info in this 200+ page plan...Wow! I feel sorry for whoever had to type that whole thing out. lol. But glad to see this park getting some love. I was there for the first time this summer and wasn't too impressed. Spent about 5 hours and I was gone and went to Santa Cruz Boardwalk instead. The park definitely needs more rides and that hyper will most definitely make the park 10 times better and hopefully they RMC Grizzly. If all this happens, I'd probably make a return visit.

 

From looking at the document, it looks like the "20 year" thing is just being able to operate already existing rides and existing park hours for the next 20 years. If you look at estimated carbon dioxide emissions almost all of it will be in 2017. The proposed new rides may all be for 2017-18.

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^You would hope they're planning on pulling a SFMM and just adding multiple major attractions in one year and advertising it extensively just like Magic did in 2011 with GL, S:EFK, and their Roller Skater. They would have to do that, or risk being one step behind the game once again, even if they did add one major attraction. By the way, if Great America did this, I would never feel a need to buy a SF season pass again for as long as I'm in NorCal.

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It's interesting to me that Cedar Fair would be working with Huss for their "swing ride", and they already have Delirium, notice the Kings Dominion version is only 114ft while the Cedar Point version (MaXair) is 140ft, also its interesting how no height is given on their Slingshot.

If I had to guess, I would believe that this new swing ride would replace Delirium.

 

I'd be more than happy to let WOF take Delirium off their hands

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