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I actually get an annoying headbang in the last turns on Rougarou, and I think that the new vest restraints could improve that. I'm a really fan of them, they can make almost everything smooth... so yes, I wish that Patriot had the vests.

 

(The only exception for this is the dive machines. The old restraints give you an insane airtime on the drops, and the rest of the rides are just 100% smooth so it's not a big deal.)

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I actually get an annoying headbang in the last turns on Rougarou

 

 

Rougarou is perfectly smooth. Anyone who complains about roughness or headbanging on any B&M floorless coaster is not worth listening to. Maybe you should stay home and sit on the couch to avoid any potential headbanging.

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I actually get an annoying headbang in the last turns on Rougarou

 

 

Rougarou is perfectly smooth. Anyone who complains about roughness or headbanging on any B&M floorless coaster is not worth listening to. Maybe you should stay home and sit on the couch to avoid any potential headbanging.

 

 

There is a nasty jolt coming out of the dive loop that has been there for many years... More of a track issue then train/maintenance... All else is good though for the most part.

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hahahaha no I don't really need to stay in the couch just because I have a different opinion from yours actually! I love riding the coasters without headbang, I even enjoy riding the ones I find uncomfortable, I just dislike the headbanging and gave my opinion. Its no big deal

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I just rode Vortex for the last time last week, and although the ride is absolutely ready for an upgrade, I had a fairly smooth ride on it. Once again, I feel like the whole "roughness" reputation is somewhat unearned on this ride.

 

Those trains however, are a claustrophobic nightmare. All stand up trains need to die. I can't believe I've spend so much time being contained by those stand up coffins.

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I'm curious how the park plans to market a floorless coaster effectively when one has already operated in the same region for 17 years

 

The same way they marketed a wood coaster effectively when one has already operated in the same damn park for almost 30 years. If you can't market a new or dramatically improved coaster then you suck at marketing.

 

Sorry bill - I meant I was actually legitimately curious about HOW (specifically) they were going to market. I didn't accuse them of being unable to do it or anything like that. I just believe that it's going to take a different approach than a ride that's never been seen before in the area. It's quite common for parks to have multiple wood coasters, and certainly for parks in the same region to have similar wood coasters. Not nearly as common for a park to tackle the same "gimmick" as a competitor did a long time ago.

 

If I was in their shoes I'd look to Dorney as an example, since they put in Hydra after Medusa. And Dorney has a long history of installing the same type of ride that their nearby competitors do

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I actually get an annoying headbang in the last turns on Rougarou, and I think that the new vest restraints could improve that. I'm a really fan of them, they can make almost everything smooth... so yes, I wish that Patriot had the vests.

 

(The only exception for this is the dive machines. The old restraints give you an insane airtime on the drops, and the rest of the rides are just 100% smooth so it's not a big deal.)

 

I would take a very slight headbang on rougarou over the pain the vest cause. They tighten and tighten and kill my groin and shoulders

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I think you may be giving people too much credit. Six Flags Fiesta Texas built a clone of an invert that's literally down the street and nobody questioned it. I just don't think a lot of people will notice, and even if they do it'll deliver a good enough ride that they won't care. People really pay very little attention to this type of thing. Some people won't even realize that it's Vortex with new trains. Plenty of people think Rougarou is a brand new ride.

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Personally, I've found certain seats (should i call them that as you're standing?) smoother than others on Vortex, but the ride was never my cup of tea. A ride should be smooth no matter what seat you choose. Also I just don't really enjoy standing on a roller coaster, the strain you feel in your knees is way too much for me.

 

I'm very appreciative of this upgrade!

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^^You're definitely right that many people don't notice or care. But if I was in the park's position, I think that it would be risky to assume that NOBODY knows better. I would hope that the park is considering all their angles.

 

How do we KNOW that the decision to install the BTR clone at SFFT was a good one? Every time I've been, it was a walkon when other rides had decent lines, but that's anecdotal. Are we 100% sure that SFFT got the same ROI on that as they would have for a totally new experience for the San Antonio market? It's actually a good comparison since that was a relocation, considerably cheaper than a new ride. The vortex conversion is obviously a lower cost move too, and I suspect it will work out fine for them, but the analyst in me is a little skeptical.

 

As for the quality of the ride, I'm still not convinced that the comparisons to Rougarou are going to hold up here. Mantis was a good ride layout that's visually enticing. Vortex is less than impressive, even in GP terms. I just hope this gives CGA the boost they're looking for. The park has a lot of potential that hasn't been realized in a long time.

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As you said, it's a much cheaper investment than a new ride so it seems like a pretty safe investment. If they didn't get the response they wanted from Rougarou I'm sure they wouldn't be doing this, and this is likely cheaper than Rougarou as they have 1 less train they need to buy.

 

I'm sure a new coaster would bring in more people, but it's also more expensive.

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Great improvement! As a few others have been saying, I think that Rougarou is a much better ride than Mantis. Whereas before my friends and I would always stay silent when walking by Mantis, now on our way to Millennium Force somebody always speaks up: "Rougarou?"

 

Something about this makes me feel wrong inside all of a sudden though. I really need to get this off my chest. I wish my parents didn't name me Will because it is already a commonly used helping verb and so many other people on this planet are named Will. It really affects me as a person and I just wanted to tell you all because you might be the only people who would show me some support.

 

Of course I'm kidding. And yeah, I think Patriot is a dope name for anything.

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I think this change is 100% for the best.

 

I know a lot of people are likening the transition to floorless to that done on Rogarou. Rogarou is better with floorless trains but it really wasn't that bad or rough with stand-up trains. Vortex, however, was as easy for me to name my most dreaded B&M as Kumba is to name as the most awesome B&M. Let's just hope the trains solve the problem, because the transitions on this ride were really terrible.

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