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It as a floorless would be okay at MIA, VF, WOF.

 

VF already has a 1980 Arrow that out-performs it. I'm honestly not sure what that ride would add to the lineup of any of those parks.

 

Haha, no I would think that after the relocation and repackaging Vortex would look much like Iron Wolf's conversion into Apocalypse. That being said, Vortex being relocated by Cedar Fair is not what I see as improbable (they did it to three of park's original anchor steel coasters (the vekoma invertigo, the vekome flying dutchman, and schwarzkopfshuttle loop_.

 

The problem is pretty simple: I don't ever think park management in any analysis could imagine trimming down the steel line-up to Demon and Flight Deck and let Vortex join Invertigo, Stealth, and Tidal Wave/Lightnin in the CGA graveyard. If Vortex is salvageable, they will do it. They already removed the three most proximal anchor coasters (Invertigo, Stealth, and Tidal Wave/Lightnin').

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It as a floorless would be okay at MIA, VF, WOF.

 

VF already has a 1980 Arrow that out-performs it. I'm honestly not sure what that ride would add to the lineup of any of those parks.

 

Haha, no I would think that after the relocation and repackaging Vortex would look much like Iron Wolf's conversion into Apocalypse. That being said, Vortex being relocated by Cedar Fair is not what I see as improbable (they did it to three of park's original anchor steel coasters (the vekoma invertigo, the vekome flying dutchman, and schwarzkopfshuttle loop_.

 

The problem is pretty simple: I don't ever think park management in any analysis could imagine trimming down the steel line-up to Demon and Flight Deck and let Vortex join Invertigo, Stealth, and Tidal Wave/Lightnin in the CGA graveyard. If Vortex is salvageable, they will do it. They already removed the three most proximal anchor coasters (Invertigo, Stealth, and Tidal Wave/Lightnin').

 

If they were to remove Vortex, the land locked park would have room for better improvements

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If they were to remove Vortex, the land locked park would have room for better improvements

 

If CGA removes Vortex, then the already lackluster coaster lineup will be even worse. CGA is getting left behind by SFDK, especially with the RMC Joker debuting next year. Gold Striker is a great ride, but everything else at the park is just kinda meh. Vortex is by no means a great coaster but it's better than no coaster. Converting it to a floorless would definitely be an improvement, but it's not gonna bring people to the park.

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If they were to remove Vortex, the land locked park would have room for better improvements

 

If CGA removes Vortex, then the already lackluster coaster lineup will be even worse. CGA is getting left behind by SFDK, especially with the RMC Joker debuting next year. Gold Striker is a great ride, but everything else at the park is just kinda meh. Vortex is by no means a great coaster but it's better than no coaster. Converting it to a floorless would definitely be an improvement, but it's not gonna bring people to the park.

 

Your post just proves by its best to replace it with something better. You just proved my point for me

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The question is: Is how popular is Vortex? Matt always has said that guests vote with their feet, if the numbers are up, it's not going anywhere soon. (Same with Carowinds' Vortex) If it's (they are) not popular, then it might be wise to remove each for smaller parks, do the floorless conversion, and build new rides in their places.

 

But in the end, I think CGA's will remain since it's so well fit into the limited space. Not sure about Carowinds, they have some impressive new rides going in, it might be time to relocate theirs and build another record breaker as Cedar Fair continues to grow the park with more expensive machines.

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If they were to remove Vortex, the land locked park would have room for better improvements

 

If CGA removes Vortex, then the already lackluster coaster lineup will be even worse. CGA is getting left behind by SFDK, especially with the RMC Joker debuting next year. Gold Striker is a great ride, but everything else at the park is just kinda meh. Vortex is by no means a great coaster but it's better than no coaster. Converting it to a floorless would definitely be an improvement, but it's not gonna bring people to the park.

 

Your post just proves by its best to replace it with something better. You just proved my point for me

 

CGA's space is far from maximized, as we already know, even by American-standards (forget Gröna Lund). Is CGA wanted to invest the capital, the coaster will be built and we've seen how everything from B&M hypers (Goliath@SFOG) to S&S 4D Free Spins (Batman@SFFT) to Premier launchers (Superman: Ultimate Flight@SFDK). Bottom-line: If they want B&M, S&S, Intamin, etc. to build something in their small footprint, it will be built.

 

Especially if ::cough:: when ::cough:: they finally remove the old Thunder Raceway, I'd expect the next major attraction to anchor that corner of the park, especially after Invertigo's departure.

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This was interesting to see on the park's youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klWLjEHYS3g#t=36.

 

Just came across the video CGA put out this season for the new Great America Pavilion. First glimpse I've seen from the park-side of how this dynamic between Levi's Stadium and CGA will play out on camera (given that the park must be closed during the 49ers home games). It's interesting to finally see how these CGA Red Zone Rally 49ers pre-game parties are playing out in real-time. I also didn't know CGA was charging $85 standard admission per Rally per game (not including parking for $40 !

 

I feel really slow, but it now makes total since why they so aggressively painted Flight Deck red and white as part of the Great America Pavilion/49ers renovation after this video.

 

Credit: CGA 2015

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Send Vortex to MiA and convert it to floorless in the process. MiA gets a smooth looping coaster and CGA has the space for a Chance GTX. Win-win!

 

Or one step closer for the first Cedar Fair Parking Lot Tailgate Experience park.

 

I'm seriously wondering if a exec over at Cedar fair is going " why did we buy CGA?"

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Send Vortex to MiA and convert it to floorless in the process. MiA gets a smooth looping coaster and CGA has the space for a Chance GTX. Win-win!

 

That's actually an excellent idea, in my opinion! I know as a Michigander, I'd be happy with that... compared to nothing, or something smaller.

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Send Vortex to MiA and convert it to floorless in the process. MiA gets a smooth looping coaster and CGA has the space for a Chance GTX. Win-win!

 

Or one step closer for the first Cedar Fair Parking Lot Tailgate Experience park.

 

I'm seriously wondering if a exec over at Cedar fair is going " why did we buy CGA?"

 

CF actually had CGA sold. The deal fell through last second though

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Send Vortex to MiA and convert it to floorless in the process. MiA gets a smooth looping coaster and CGA has the space for a Chance GTX. Win-win!

 

Smooth? LOL

 

Compared to MiA's other offerings I think so! It doesn't take much to be smoother than an old Arrow and a relocated SLC.

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Send Vortex to MiA and convert it to floorless in the process. MiA gets a smooth looping coaster and CGA has the space for a Chance GTX. Win-win!

 

Or one step closer for the first Cedar Fair Parking Lot Tailgate Experience park.

 

I'm seriously wondering if a exec over at Cedar fair is going " why did we buy CGA?"

 

CF actually had CGA sold. The deal fell through last second though

 

Umm, Cedar Fair *does* own CGA.

 

edit: Oh, nevermind. They did try to sell it and thats what you meant.

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Send Vortex to MiA and convert it to floorless in the process. MiA gets a smooth looping coaster and CGA has the space for a Chance GTX. Win-win!

 

Or one step closer for the first Cedar Fair Parking Lot Tailgate Experience park.

 

I'm seriously wondering if a exec over at Cedar fair is going " why did we buy CGA?"

 

CF actually had CGA sold. The deal fell through last second though

 

Umm, Cedar Fair *does* own CGA.

 

No one has said that they don't own CGA. There was a deal on the table to sell the park that fell through.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2011/09/19/cedar-fair-sells-great-america-for-70m.html

 

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