California Great America (CGA) Discussion Thread

[Superbatboy]

I'm just curious if I am the only one who thinks it would be hilarious if Grizzly got the rmc treatment instead and Six flags put in something else

 

That would require Cedar Fair to actually work with RMC and install something other than a B&M

[DILinator]

I'm just curious if I am the only one who thinks it would be hilarious if Grizzly got the rmc treatment instead and Six flags put in something else

 

That would require Cedar Fair to actually work with RMC and install something other than a B&M

 

For whatever reason, I get a weird vibe about CF and RMC's relationship... Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I almost get the impression that CF isn't interested in doing business with them currently... I certainly hope I am wrong, however!

[laqueefa]

I'm just curious if I am the only one who thinks it would be hilarious if Grizzly got the rmc treatment instead and Six flags put in something else

 

That would require Cedar Fair to actually work with RMC and install something other than a B&M

 

For whatever reason, I get a weird vibe about CF and RMC's relationship... Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I almost get the impression that CF isn't interested in doing business with them currently... I certainly hope I am wrong, however!

 

Well, we will know that answer as soon as November rolls around. I'll be waiting to hear who is helping Knotts refurbish Ghost Rider.

[grsupercity]

My guess is GCI. They did wonders for Shivering Timbers this year. I believe there also doing work at WOF

[coastercrazi]

I hope GCI! CGI track is great and smooth!!

[rcoaster10]

Cedar Fair just seems to be lacking in their "amazing ride department" Look at what Six Flags has done in comparison to Cedar Fair in the past few years. Premier launchers, RMC's galore, GREAT looking dark rides, world's first free fly... just to name a few. CF has B&M after B&M after B&M, all of which are "good" rides, but aren't "OMG AMAZING!" rides, (with maybe the exception of Fury). But wait, theres more! Every park gets a cloned waterslide complex and a set of flying scooters as well!

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Cedar Fair over every other chain, but lately it's been disappointing to see these predictable announcments after what all these other parks are doing. On these smaller parks it seems like everyone's like "okay, now THIS is our year for a coaster!" and sure enough, it's not. I understand how every park can't get a $25 million coaster, but these parks going on 6,7,8, 16! (Mia..) years since getting an original coaster is just depressing. Six Flags may do a lot of things wrong, but when they're building these cheaper $10 million and under coasters at several of their different parks, I think they're doing something right.

[cmadsen7]

Cedar Fair just seems to be lacking in their "amazing ride department" Look at what Six Flags has done in comparison to Cedar Fair in the past few years. Premier launchers, RMC's galore, GREAT looking dark rides, world's first free fly... just to name a few. CF has B&M after B&M after B&M, all of which are "good" rides, but aren't "OMG AMAZING!" rides, (with maybe the exception of Fury). But wait, theres more! Every park gets a cloned waterslide complex and a set of flying scooters as well!

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Cedar Fair over every other chain, but lately it's been disappointing to see these predictable announcments after what all these other parks are doing. On these smaller parks it seems like everyone's like "okay, now THIS is our year for a coaster!" and sure enough, it's not. I understand how every park can't get a $25 million coaster, but these parks going on 6,7,8, 16! (Mia..) years since getting an original coaster is just depressing. Six Flags may do a lot of things wrong, but when they're building these cheaper $10 million and under coasters at several of their different parks, I think they're doing something right.

 

 

 

Well said. I totally agree with you.

[John Peck]

^ Compared to Six Flags only, yeah, i would say that Cedar Fair has gone the more conservative route of the two when it comes to building "wow factor" rides, the quantity, anyway). But here's the thing, Six Flags went through Bankruptcy, and Cedar Fair are still managing their debt, and with the new CEO running CF, we are seeing more spending on infrastructure improvements and enhancements than what Six Flags is doing—or at least what they appear to be doing. (sadly, i have not been to a SF park in quite a few years).

 

I think that Cedar Fair are also putting more perks out to passholders as well, and coming up with better and more ways to separate you from your dollar while you think you're getting a good deal. (dining and drink plans, a decent fastlane program, etc). CF are also making their in-park food locations better.

 

Again, since i haven't been to a six flags since 2008, and from reading forums, it just seems that Cedar Fair are doing a little more in terms of park enhancement.

 

Do you guys and girls agree?

[I305forever]

^Yeah, definitely. That's one of the reasons I tend to prefer Six Flags over Cedar Fair. A lot of them have very similar ride lineups and are very predictable.

[PhantomPoster32]

So... Do you think the waterpark will get a clone of OOF's slide tower complex too? CGA is one of the only waterparks in the chain without one now

[VF15]

Cedar Fair just seems to be lacking in their "amazing ride department" Look at what Six Flags has done in comparison to Cedar Fair in the past few years. Premier launchers, RMC's galore, GREAT looking dark rides, world's first free fly... just to name a few. CF has B&M after B&M after B&M, all of which are "good" rides, but aren't "OMG AMAZING!" rides, (with maybe the exception of Fury). But wait, theres more! Every park gets a cloned waterslide complex and a set of flying scooters as well!

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Cedar Fair over every other chain, but lately it's been disappointing to see these predictable announcments after what all these other parks are doing. On these smaller parks it seems like everyone's like "okay, now THIS is our year for a coaster!" and sure enough, it's not. I understand how every park can't get a $25 million coaster, but these parks going on 6,7,8, 16! (Mia..) years since getting an original coaster is just depressing. Six Flags may do a lot of things wrong, but when they're building these cheaper $10 million and under coasters at several of their different parks, I think they're doing something right.

[DILinator]

Cedar Fair just seems to be lacking in their "amazing ride department" Look at what Six Flags has done in comparison to Cedar Fair in the past few years. Premier launchers, RMC's galore, GREAT looking dark rides, world's first free fly... just to name a few. CF has B&M after B&M after B&M, all of which are "good" rides, but aren't "OMG AMAZING!" rides, (with maybe the exception of Fury). But wait, theres more! Every park gets a cloned waterslide complex and a set of flying scooters as well!

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Cedar Fair over every other chain, but lately it's been disappointing to see these predictable announcments after what all these other parks are doing. On these smaller parks it seems like everyone's like "okay, now THIS is our year for a coaster!" and sure enough, it's not. I understand how every park can't get a $25 million coaster, but these parks going on 6,7,8, 16! (Mia..) years since getting an original coaster is just depressing. Six Flags may do a lot of things wrong, but when they're building these cheaper $10 million and under coasters at several of their different parks, I think they're doing something right.

 

+1

 

While I do agree with your post, I also have to say that I understand both where Cedar Fair, and Six Flags are coming from, in how they have chosen to run their businesses over the past 5-8 years. Both parks hit a rough patch when the economy tanked, with SF going through bankruptcy and CF dealing with a ridiculously large debt load in rough financial times. Both parks have had to weather that storm, and are doing much better today than they were then! But how they reached this point, has definitely been through different means, and park investment strategies.

 

Personally, I prefer what SF has done as far as not relegating any of their parks (with the exception of The Great Escape) to the complete back-burner, and continuing to add exciting capital improvements every few years, at least. CF has really focused on their new acquisitions (and their flagship Cedar Point, of course), and consequently, it has left the fan bases for the smaller CF parks (many of which were getting regular coaster additions prior to the Paramount acquisitions) feeling left out in the cold. The reality is, however, that CF has been meticulous and smart in their infrastructure improvements for all their parks, including those smaller ones, while SF has definitely continued to lag in that department. CF has also been able to periodically drop a sizeable coaster investment in their parks, while SF has been forced to get creative with smaller, and cheaper expenditures. If it weren't for RMC, honestly, they wouldn't be thought of nearly as well, as of late, since most of their "premier" additions as of late have been from them.

 

I am optimistic that the CF parks will slowly all get a new major coaster investment over the next five years or so, in addition to all of their infrastructure, kids offering, and water park improvements! In the meantime though, even though I understand where CF is coming from, it's no less frustrating to me from a fan's perspective.

[Andrewoplis]

So... Do you think the waterpark will get a clone of OOF's slide tower complex too? CGA is one of the only waterparks in the chain without one now

 

I hope so! I swear it's been about ten years since they've added anything to that place.

[CedarFair1]

Cedar Fair just seems to be lacking in their "amazing ride department" Look at what Six Flags has done in comparison to Cedar Fair in the past few years. Premier launchers, RMC's galore, GREAT looking dark rides, world's first free fly... just to name a few. CF has B&M after B&M after B&M, all of which are "good" rides, but aren't "OMG AMAZING!" rides, (with maybe the exception of Fury). But wait, theres more! Every park gets a cloned waterslide complex and a set of flying scooters as well!

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Cedar Fair over every other chain, but lately it's been disappointing to see these predictable announcments after what all these other parks are doing. On these smaller parks it seems like everyone's like "okay, now THIS is our year for a coaster!" and sure enough, it's not. I understand how every park can't get a $25 million coaster, but these parks going on 6,7,8, 16! (Mia..) years since getting an original coaster is just depressing. Six Flags may do a lot of things wrong, but when they're building these cheaper $10 million and under coasters at several of their different parks, I think they're doing something right.

 

+1

 

While I do agree with your post, I also have to say that I understand both where Cedar Fair, and Six Flags are coming from, in how they have chosen to run their businesses over the past 5-8 years. Both parks hit a rough patch when the economy tanked, with SF going through bankruptcy and CF dealing with a ridiculously large debt load in rough financial times. Both parks have had to weather that storm, and are doing much better today than they were then! But how they reached this point, has definitely been through different means, and park investment strategies.

 

Personally, I prefer what SF has done as far as not relegating any of their parks (with the exception of The Great Escape) to the complete back-burner, and continuing to add exciting capital improvements every few years, at least. CF has really focused on their new acquisitions (and their flagship Cedar Point, of course), and consequently, it has left the fan bases for the smaller CF parks (many of which were getting regular coaster additions prior to the Paramount acquisitions) feeling left out in the cold. The reality is, however, that CF has been meticulous and smart in their infrastructure improvements for all their parks, including those smaller ones, while SF has definitely continued to lag in that department. CF has also been able to periodically drop a sizeable coaster investment in their parks, while SF has been forced to get creative with smaller, and cheaper expenditures. If it weren't for RMC, honestly, they wouldn't be thought of nearly as well, as of late, since most of their "premier" additions as of late have been from them.

 

I am optimistic that the CF parks will slowly all get a new major coaster investment over the next five years or so, in addition to all of their infrastructure, kids offering, and water park improvements! In the meantime though, even though I understand where CF is coming from, it's no less frustrating to me from a fan's perspective.

 

I sir disagree.. I for one have and never will visit a Six Flags park, I prefer to live thank you. The parks look terrible with rides built on top of concrete. Your so upset about coasters not being added but have failed to point out the good Cedar Fair has done for it's parks. You can tell when your at a Cedar Fair park, it's beautiful and clean and the employees are super nice. Front gates look impressive, and their attendance grows more rapidly. They are a business and they know what they are doing, this isn't roller coaster tycoon, you as an enthusiast don't know what is good for the parks at all, you can't run a billion dollar business... So stop pretending like you can... Matt Ouimet knows what he is doing and trust me 10 years from now you'll see the greater picture.

[LiftThrill]

^ Clearly you haven't been to the Texas SF parks, which have minimal theming at worst and (from my experience, others here will most likely disagree) good operations.

I've also heard terrible things about the ops at lower-tier CF parks.

[DILinator]

I sir disagree.. I for one have and never will visit a Six Flags park, I prefer to live thank you. The parks look terrible with rides built on top of concrete. Your so upset about coasters not being added but have failed to point out the good Cedar Fair has done for it's parks. You can tell when your at a Cedar Fair park, it's beautiful and clean and the employees are super nice. Front gates look impressive, and their attendance grows more rapidly. They are a business and they know what they are doing, this isn't roller coaster tycoon, you as an enthusiast don't know what is good for the parks at all, you can't run a billion dollar business... So stop pretending like you can... Matt Ouimet knows what he is doing and trust me 10 years from now you'll see the greater picture.

 

This, has to be one of the most infantile posts I've ever seen here on TPR! I mean, not only are you making ridiculous assertions (going to a SF park will kill you - "I prefer to live"), and speak of things you admit you don't know (you've never been to a park, but you're going to say what they look like inside?), you also completely misrepresent my post (ignoring all the good things I mentioned CF has done for their parks), and you insult me personally, as if you know anything about me, my intelligence, or my business acumen (which is actually quite stellar!) On top of that, your rant (which is all it is - a CF fanboy rant) is written poorly, and is about as nuanced as having a tank fall on one's head. Lastly, while by one definition I may be an "enthusiast" (anybody posting on TPR or any other fansite has to be to an extent), I have actually been out of the enthusiast loop for almost ten years, raising a family, and interacting with mostly non enthusiasts. I actually have a perspective on the industry that is very heavily steeped in GP and non-enthusiast outlook, and understanding. So again, please don't make assertions about me that are baseless, and that you'd have no possibility of actually knowing!

[CedarFair1]

I sir disagree.. I for one have and never will visit a Six Flags park, I prefer to live thank you. The parks look terrible with rides built on top of concrete. Your so upset about coasters not being added but have failed to point out the good Cedar Fair has done for it's parks. You can tell when your at a Cedar Fair park, it's beautiful and clean and the employees are super nice. Front gates look impressive, and their attendance grows more rapidly. They are a business and they know what they are doing, this isn't roller coaster tycoon, you as an enthusiast don't know what is good for the parks at all, you can't run a billion dollar business... So stop pretending like you can... Matt Ouimet knows what he is doing and trust me 10 years from now you'll see the greater picture.

 

This, has to be one of the most infantile posts I've ever seen here on TPR! I mean, not only are you making ridiculous assertions (going to a SF park will kill you - "I prefer to live"), and speak of things you admit you don't know (you've never been to a park, but you're going to say what they look like inside?), you also completely misrepresent my post (ignoring all the good things I mentioned CF has done for their parks), and you insult me personally, as if you know anything about me, my intelligence, or my business acumen (which is actually quite stellar!) On top of that, your rant (which is all it is - a CF fanboy rant) is written poorly, and is about as nuanced as having a tank fall on one's head. Lastly, while by one definition I may be an "enthusiast" (anybody posting on TPR or any other fansite has to be to an extent), I have actually been out of the enthusiast loop for almost ten years, raising a family, and interacting with mostly non enthusiasts. I actually have a perspective on the industry that is very heavily steeped in GP and non-enthusiast outlook, and understanding. So again, please don't make assertions about me that are baseless, and that you'd have no possibility of actually knowing!

 

If you are so disappointed in the rides CF is adding why have one of the amazing additions as your display picture. I just hate how all these smaller park fan boys expect a coaster, great additions are not always coasters. Larson loopers for everyone if we started thinking Six Flags mentality.

[Password121]

I sir disagree.. I for one have and never will visit a Six Flags park, I prefer to live thank you. The parks look terrible with rides built on top of concrete. Your so upset about coasters not being added but have failed to point out the good Cedar Fair has done for it's parks. You can tell when your at a Cedar Fair park, it's beautiful and clean and the employees are super nice. Front gates look impressive, and their attendance grows more rapidly. They are a business and they know what they are doing, this isn't roller coaster tycoon, you as an enthusiast don't know what is good for the parks at all, you can't run a billion dollar business... So stop pretending like you can... Matt Ouimet knows what he is doing and trust me 10 years from now you'll see the greater picture.

 

This, has to be one of the most infantile posts I've ever seen here on TPR! I mean, not only are you making ridiculous assertions (going to a SF park will kill you - "I prefer to live"), and speak of things you admit you don't know (you've never been to a park, but you're going to say what they look like inside?), you also completely misrepresent my post (ignoring all the good things I mentioned CF has done for their parks), and you insult me personally, as if you know anything about me, my intelligence, or my business acumen (which is actually quite stellar!) On top of that, your rant (which is all it is - a CF fanboy rant) is written poorly, and is about as nuanced as having a tank fall on one's head. Lastly, while by one definition I may be an "enthusiast" (anybody posting on TPR or any other fansite has to be to an extent), I have actually been out of the enthusiast loop for almost ten years, raising a family, and interacting with mostly non enthusiasts. I actually have a perspective on the industry that is very heavily steeped in GP and non-enthusiast outlook, and understanding. So again, please don't make assertions about me that are baseless, and that you'd have no possibility of actually knowing!

 

If you are so disappointed in the rides CF is adding why have one of the amazing additions as your display picture. I just hate how all these smaller park fan boys expect a coaster, great additions are not always coasters. Larson loopers for everyone if we started thinking Six Flags mentality.

I'd take a Larson loop any day over what CF's smaller parks have been getting.

Let's compare a small SF park to a similarly sized CF park. Say... SFA with Worlds of Fun.

In the last three years at SFA, they've built a multi million dollar drop slide complex, completely overhauled Southwest Territory with a wild mouse, Larson flyers and a Super Loop this year. A waterpark expansion is pretty much guaranteed next year.

Worlds of Fun has built basically nothing in 2013, a relocated, problem-filled Windseeker last year, and a kiddie splash pad. They're adding five kiddie rides next year for probably a couple million.

You could actually argue that WoF is a larger park than SFA, and yet I'd take SFA's additions every day of the week over WoF's.

 

And seriously, did you read his post? He never said he hates CF, he said they've done some great things so why is it an issue that one of those things is his picture?

[DILinator]

If you are so disappointed in the rides CF is adding why have one of the amazing additions as your display picture. I just hate how all these smaller park fan boys expect a coaster, great additions are not always coasters. Larson loopers for everyone if we started thinking Six Flags mentality.

 

Did you even read my first post? It was clear that I was commending CF in many ways, while acknowledging the fact that fans of the smaller parks (who were CF before the Paramount parks were) are feeling left out regarding major coaster investments. It's a natural response, and I don't blame anybody for feeling that way.

 

It would appear from some of your other posts that CW is your home park, so you would have no idea what it would even feel like to be a long time attendee of a park like MiA. FWIW, I consider my "home park" to actually be CP, so I'm not just some whining MiA fanboy. However, I do believe CF has given them the shaft, and I'm not alone in this feeling. Even GP I talk to are annoyed. Just because you seem to believe CF or Ouimet to be infallible (news flash: they're not), doesn't invalidate the feelings and perspective of others who wish their favorite park received even a fraction of the attention a CP or CW gets.

 

What I was saying in my first post, was that I understood those people, and perspective, and agree, to an extent. But I was also saying I understood what CF was doing, and that we shouldn't lose sight of the smaller improvements CF has made in the smaller parks. My post was a very measured, and reasonable perspective on both SF and CF, and some of the strengths and weaknesses of their contrasting business models.

[baileybrucem]

I'd take a Larson loop any day over what CF's smaller parks have been getting.

Let's compare a small SF park to a similarly sized CF park. Say... SFA with Worlds of Fun.

In the last three years at SFA, they've built a multi million dollar drop slide complex, completely overhauled Southwest Territory with a wild mouse, Larson flyers and a Super Loop this year. A waterpark expansion is pretty much guaranteed next year.

Worlds of Fun has built basically nothing in 2013, a relocated, problem-filled Windseeker last year, and a kiddie splash pad. They're adding five kiddie rides next year for probably a couple million.

You could actually argue that WoF is a larger park than SFA, and yet I'd take SFA's additions every day of the week over WoF's.

 

And seriously, did you read his post? He never said he hates CF, he said they've done some great things so why is it an issue that one of those things is his picture?

 

Worlds of fun built a 10 million dollar drop slide complex in 2013 and added the dinos So.

It's hard to complain when MiA hasn't gotten a completely new coaster in what, 14 years or something crazy like that?

[Password121]

I'd take a Larson loop any day over what CF's smaller parks have been getting.

Let's compare a small SF park to a similarly sized CF park. Say... SFA with Worlds of Fun.

In the last three years at SFA, they've built a multi million dollar drop slide complex, completely overhauled Southwest Territory with a wild mouse, Larson flyers and a Super Loop this year. A waterpark expansion is pretty much guaranteed next year.

Worlds of Fun has built basically nothing in 2013, a relocated, problem-filled Windseeker last year, and a kiddie splash pad. They're adding five kiddie rides next year for probably a couple million.

You could actually argue that WoF is a larger park than SFA, and yet I'd take SFA's additions every day of the week over WoF's.

 

And seriously, did you read his post? He never said he hates CF, he said they've done some great things so why is it an issue that one of those things is his picture?

 

Worlds of fun built a 10 million dollar drop slide complex in 2013 and added the dinos So.

It's hard to complain when MiA hasn't gotten a completely new coaster in what, 14 years or something crazy like that?

Ahh, totally forgot. My point still stands about the super loops and Six Flags though--you can't argue that SF doesnt completely ignore it's smaller parks.

[XSupremacy]

 

Does anybody know why they took down the swings without telling anybody. Even if it was a refurbishment I think they would say it on their facebook page

[Domm]

They obviously want to make the line for gold striker longer!

 

Haven't heard a thing about it. Bummer though... Wonder where they're gonna put the new maze this year? In this spot? When I was at the Knotts Scary Farm museum a few months back the girl working there circled 3 mazes on the Knotts map and said, "it's one of those 3 going to CGA." Her tone was all in good fun trying to make me guess while creating excitement. Totally forgot the 3 now, but hey... we should be looking forward to something.

 

I'd like to chime in on that Cedar Fair dude's rant- read a couple of pages back where I went to SF's Great America to get a little perspective on our beautiful and absolutely empty park (even emptier now that the swings are gone). Six Flags keeps their Great America just as beautiful while adding tons of awesome attractions, it's a freaking theme park dude!!! Rides and themes. WTF are you talking about? Nice landscaping and cleanliness should be a given and it is at that Six Flags park as well.

 

Who the hell wants to wait 10 years? Ridiculous.

[Coasterguy21]

This, has to be one of the most infantile posts I've ever seen here on TPR! I mean, not only are you making ridiculous assertions (going to a SF park will kill you - "I prefer to live"), and speak of things you admit you don't know (you've never been to a park, but you're going to say what they look like inside?), you also completely misrepresent my post (ignoring all the good things I mentioned CF has done for their parks), and you insult me personally, as if you know anything about me, my intelligence, or my business acumen (which is actually quite stellar!) On top of that, your rant (which is all it is - a CF fanboy rant) is written poorly, and is about as nuanced as having a tank fall on one's head. Lastly, while by one definition I may be an "enthusiast" (anybody posting on TPR or any other fansite has to be to an extent), I have actually been out of the enthusiast loop for almost ten years, raising a family, and interacting with mostly non enthusiasts. I actually have a perspective on the industry that is very heavily steeped in GP and non-enthusiast outlook, and understanding. So again, please don't make assertions about me that are baseless, and that you'd have no possibility of actually knowing!

 

 

I sir disagree.. I for one have and never will visit a Six Flags park, I prefer to live thank you. The parks look terrible with rides built on top of concrete. Your so upset about coasters not being added but have failed to point out the good Cedar Fair has done for it's parks. You can tell when your at a Cedar Fair park, it's beautiful and clean and the employees are super nice. Front gates look impressive, and their attendance grows more rapidly. They are a business and they know what they are doing, this isn't roller coaster tycoon, you as an enthusiast don't know what is good for the parks at all, you can't run a billion dollar business... So stop pretending like you can... Matt Ouimet knows what he is doing and trust me 10 years from now you'll see the greater picture.

 

No offense, but in these arguments you always seem to bring up everyone's lack of "business intelligence". Do you actually understand, not just business, but how this industry operates as well? Or do you just read things online, listen to conference calls, listen to investor reports, financial reports etc... and think you have it all? Because a lot more goes into it all than just that. No offense, but it just kind of irritates me when people just dismiss other thoughts as "not understanding business". Like I get it to an extent, see the MiA thread, but just stop with that rhetoric. Because do you think you can run a million dollar business? If not, then don't think someone else can't (what if one of these enthusiasts already does? Not too likely, but its still possible)

 

I, for one, do trust Matt Ouimet and am excited to see how the chain evolves into the future. However, never judge a book by its cover regarding Six Flags. While I do love Cedar Fair, and they're my go to chain, but I still go to Six Flags parks and enjoy myself. Never feel unsafe and, while operations at some may not be the best, I still enjoy myself. Try it sometime.

 

And while Cedar Fair is my "go to", I'd prefer not to play favorites. My stock portfolio has a plethora of entertainment companies in it and that's just because I love the industry, no matter the company!

 

End rant.

 

Anyway, excited to see what the future holds for CGA. With the new expected events area and the fact that the park is impressing executives, I think the future, which was dismal looking not too long ago, just became a lot better.

[skaunit]

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Does anybody know why they took down the swings without telling anybody. Even if it was a refurbishment I think they would say it on their facebook page

 

No need to freak out... I can't go into details, but expect it to be back up and running asap. Remember this ride is a trailer model so it's meant to be fully disassembled if need be.