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Take a look at this from a possible different angle. Who is complaining? The tenants or the owners of the building? They are probably not one and the same. If that is the case I can see the complaint having more to do with money that being the lease payment. The tenant would want a reduction in payment because the sound environment has changed. The building owner would complain because the value of the building would decrease because of the noise levels.

 

Anyone who would build next to a theme park and not expect noise is nuts!

 

Very valid point. I think a while back (last year) we saw that Prudential was speaking up on behalf of its tenants. I can also see tenants wanting decreased rates due to the .0000000001db too loud scream and rumble. In the end this all sucks...why were buildings ever set up there is beyond me and is a pretty poor decision in my opinion.

 

Now riding in Star Tower the coaster really isn't that loud. I've been lucky enough to go down as the train goes past...no different than me hearing the jet flying overhead at work. There is a slight rumble you feel in Star Tower (which is pretty awesome!) but those offices, more insulated than the tower should have no problems...not to mention they aren't right next to the coaster...

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We actually have homeowners who camp outside and write down locomotive numbers of trains making excessive horn noise, noise that we are required to make due to federal regulations. Fortunately, railroads are exempt from local and state law. CGA unfortunately, does not enjoy such privileges.

 

I thought they passes some new ting saying that they are only allowed to blow the horn at crossings that don't have signals?

 

Anyways, this is pretty lame but if I understand it correctly the ride will continue to operate till at least June30th?

 

Building a wooden coaster seems like the wrong decision now, but I guess once this gets ironed out they probably wont have to go though this again because there isn't to many things they can build that would be any louder.

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Building this was most definitely NOT the wrong decision...... the only wrong decision that was made was an office building being built next to a themepark.

 

The 'noise' this wood coaster generates is not just from the coaster itself, you also have to take into consideration the screaming riders, which can be very loud. Screaming riders can be on any coaster so steel or not if they were to build in that area again, unless P or whoever is making this complaint goes away, this will probably have to be dealt with again. But it should be easier the second time since they can use GS as an example of what they may have to do.

 

And I keep saying this but it will be very interesting to see what comes of all of this once the stadium opens.

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I've code named CGA's next coaster Flying Uranium...otherwise known as FU for short...and will always be referred to as "FU." This coaster will be a hyper coaster in the location where the proposed Morgan Hyper was to go. Lets make it a non sand filled Beemer with no sound walls either

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We actually have homeowners who camp outside and write down locomotive numbers of trains making excessive horn noise, noise that we are required to make due to federal regulations. Fortunately, railroads are exempt from local and state law. CGA unfortunately, does not enjoy such privileges.

 

I thought they passes some new ting saying that they are only allowed to blow the horn at crossings that don't have signals?

 

That is not the case. Horns are required at all crossings, signaled and unsignaled. If a crossing is upgraded with certain features the Federal Railroad Administration can designate it as a "Quiet Zone", but the upgrades are expensive and the city is responsible for paying for them. Even then it doesn't mean engineers aren't allowed to blow their horns, it means engineers aren't required to blow their horns. They still can if they want to and nobody can stop them.

 

Getting off topic here, back to CGA.

 

You have to wonder how this is going to effect future additions to the park. Isn't this pretty much exactly why Cedar Fair wanted to dump the place to begin with?

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From my understanding, it seems that the sound testing has to be conducted before the 30th. It makes sense to conduct the testing before operating hours. This is just my perspective, but it seems that, if it passes the sound tests the first time (which is not too implausible considering that it is being conducted by a third party tester), it might not have to close at all. If it does not pass, the park will add more sound walls or tunnels so that it does pass. Once it does pass, it will receive a full construction certificate, meaning that, from that point on, it is a done deal. The coaster will be able to fully operate as planned. I am trying to plan a trip out there, but I will have to wait, since there is no telling when this thing will operate.

 

As for future additions, why not the area behind, or even over, Boomerang Bay? They have built a major coaster there before, so I do not believe that area would cause problems. There are several areas of the park that are pretty noise-safe, but building in these areas would also require some creativity, as these areas also happen to be the areas that already have rides built on them. Grona Lund America, anyone?

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I've code named CGA's next coaster Flying Uranium...otherwise known as FU for short...and will always be referred to as "FU." This coaster will be a hyper coaster in the location where the proposed Morgan Hyper was to go. Lets make it a non sand filled Beemer with no sound walls either

 

 

Oh god I realize this is a joke but I pray CGA never gets another B&M. I've never really been too big of a fan of falling asleep on roller coasters.

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I've code named CGA's next coaster Flying Uranium...otherwise known as FU for short...and will always be referred to as "FU." This coaster will be a hyper coaster in the location where the proposed Morgan Hyper was to go. Lets make it a non sand filled Beemer with no sound walls either

I'd rather have Intamin build another Superman freefall coaster right next to Gold Striker, call it Superman: Flight Unlimited or similar. Soon they won't be able to hear the noise anymore.

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You have to wonder how this is going to effect future additions to the park. Isn't this pretty much exactly why Cedar Fair wanted to dump the place to begin with?

 

When Dick Kinzel was still in charge he wanted to dump the park not due to the neighbors but because of the 49ers stadium, he was afraid that the park would lose profit during game days. Then when Matt Ouimet came in he looked at the stadium as a positive thing and a way they could make a profit off it. For example, when Super Bowl 50 comes around the NFL has already looked at the park as a possible event center,which means something the park could make money off of.

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I've code named CGA's next coaster Flying Uranium...otherwise known as FU for short...and will always be referred to as "FU." This coaster will be a hyper coaster in the location where the proposed Morgan Hyper was to go. Lets make it a non sand filled Beemer with no sound walls either

I'd rather have Intamin build another Superman freefall coaster right next to Gold Striker, call it Superman: Flight Unlimited or similar. Soon they won't be able to hear the noise anymore.

You my friend just won life. Superman next to the building would be the funniest.

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I went yesterday Tuesday & rode Gold Striker another 5 times. Now my ride count is up to 10 on Goldy. Ah that thing is AWESOME. I just want to point my middle finger & stick out my tongue at those f****** Prudential office buildings while going up the lift hill. In your face Prudential. HA! What a shame, shame, shame. Gold Striker should have been here in 2009. & I got the front row 3 times. I love that seat. Yes I did try row 12 & didn't like it. Too choppy. & Just when I thought oh Grizzly is ok it is not. It completely SUCKS. Had a bad ride on it. Grizzly needs to go. & Put in a nice launcher that goes all the way up in front & over those Prudential buildings to show who's in charge. & I think I saw Sunfire! Isn't his name Patrick? & is he a supervisor? If so I saw him when waiting in line for Physco Mouse. He was walking through the Fast Lane entrance gate. Didn't bother with Happy Feet. Finally got on Down Hill Thunder. At first when I got there it was closed because of a dead bird. It opened shortly after that & I got 2 rides in. I love going backwards over the hump at the end. Log ride is great fun when you sit right in front you sure get splashed!

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I went yesterday Tuesday & rode Gold Striker another 5 times. Now my ride count is up to 10 on Goldy. Ah that thing is AWESOME. I just want to point my middle finger & stick out my tongue at those f****** Prudential office buildings while going up the lift hill. In your face Prudential. HA! What a shame, shame, shame. Gold Striker should have been here in 2009. & I got the front row 3 times. I love that seat. Yes I did try row 12 & didn't like it. Too choppy. & Just when I thought oh Grizzly is ok it is not.... & I think I saw Sunfire! Isn't his name Patrick? & is he a supervisor?

 

Row 12 is awesome. And you did not see Sunfire since he's no longer working there. Sunfire was there as a guest Saturday evening though and was with our group

 

Wait...WTF???

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I went yesterday Tuesday & rode Gold Striker another 5 times. Now my ride count is up to 10 on Goldy. Ah that thing is AWESOME. I just want to point my middle finger & stick out my tongue at those f****** Prudential office buildings while going up the lift hill. In your face Prudential. HA! What a shame, shame, shame. Gold Striker should have been here in 2009. & I got the front row 3 times. I love that seat. Yes I did try row 12 & didn't like it. Too choppy. & Just when I thought oh Grizzly is ok it is not. It completely SUCKS. Had a bad ride on it. Grizzly needs to go. & Put in a nice launcher that goes all the way up in front & over those Prudential buildings to show who's in charge. & I think I saw Sunfire! Isn't his name Patrick? & is he a supervisor? If so I saw him when waiting in line for Physco Mouse. He was walking through the Fast Lane entrance gate. Didn't bother with Happy Feet. Finally got on Down Hill Thunder. At first when I got there it was closed because of a dead bird. It opened shortly after that & I got 2 rides in. I love going backwards over the hump at the end. Log ride is great fun when you sit right in front you sure get splashed!

 

Whatever drugs you take, please let me know.

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Final testing to be conducted by a city expert using “Noise Testing Protocols” established in a 2012 Settlement Agreement between Cedar Fair, Prudential and the City is to be completed no later than June 30th, 2013.

 

I know you Nor Cal folks are just giddy to have a nice coaster again, but did anyone actually read the screamscape note? Cedar Fair agreed to this. So really it sounds like Cedar Fair was the one who screwed up in either ignoring the settlement or under-estimating the amount of noise the ride would create.

 

And as ridiculous as it is to complain about noise when they chose to develop the property next to a theme park...they have every right to protect their business interests and enforce the agreement. The same way Cedar Fair initially opposed the stadium. Also, do we know for sure that there wasn't any agreements in place prior to this settlement, from when the offices were first built?

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I went yesterday Tuesday & rode Gold Striker another 5 times. Now my ride count is up to 10 on Goldy. Ah that thing is AWESOME. I just want to point my middle finger & stick out my tongue at those f****** Prudential office buildings while going up the lift hill. In your face Prudential. HA! What a shame, shame, shame. Gold Striker should have been here in 2009. & I got the front row 3 times. I love that seat. Yes I did try row 12 & didn't like it. Too choppy. & Just when I thought oh Grizzly is ok it is not. It completely SUCKS. Had a bad ride on it. Grizzly needs to go. & Put in a nice launcher that goes all the way up in front & over those Prudential buildings to show who's in charge. & I think I saw Sunfire! Isn't his name Patrick? & is he a supervisor? If so I saw him when waiting in line for Physco Mouse. He was walking through the Fast Lane entrance gate. Didn't bother with Happy Feet. Finally got on Down Hill Thunder. At first when I got there it was closed because of a dead bird. It opened shortly after that & I got 2 rides in. I love going backwards over the hump at the end. Log ride is great fun when you sit right in front you sure get splashed!

 

My name's not Patrick, and I left CGA over a year ago...

 

And learn how to write sentences, not fragments...

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I went yesterday Tuesday & rode Gold Striker another 5 times. Now my ride count is up to 10 on Goldy. Ah that thing is AWESOME. I just want to point my middle finger & stick out my tongue at those f****** Prudential office buildings while going up the lift hill. In your face Prudential. HA! What a shame, shame, shame. Gold Striker should have been here in 2009. & I got the front row 3 times. I love that seat. Yes I did try row 12 & didn't like it. Too choppy. & Just when I thought oh Grizzly is ok it is not. It completely SUCKS. Had a bad ride on it. Grizzly needs to go. & Put in a nice launcher that goes all the way up in front & over those Prudential buildings to show who's in charge. & I think I saw Sunfire! Isn't his name Patrick? & is he a supervisor? If so I saw him when waiting in line for Physco Mouse. He was walking through the Fast Lane entrance gate. Didn't bother with Happy Feet. Finally got on Down Hill Thunder. At first when I got there it was closed because of a dead bird. It opened shortly after that & I got 2 rides in. I love going backwards over the hump at the end. Log ride is great fun when you sit right in front you sure get splashed!

 

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I went yesterday Tuesday & rode Gold Striker another 5 times. Now my ride count is up to 10 on Goldy. Ah that thing is AWESOME. I just want to point my middle finger & stick out my tongue at those f****** Prudential office buildings while going up the lift hill. In your face Prudential. HA! What a shame, shame, shame. Gold Striker should have been here in 2009. & I got the front row 3 times. I love that seat. Yes I did try row 12 & didn't like it. Too choppy. & Just when I thought oh Grizzly is ok it is not. It completely SUCKS. Had a bad ride on it. Grizzly needs to go. & Put in a nice launcher that goes all the way up in front & over those Prudential buildings to show who's in charge. & I think I saw Sunfire! Isn't his name Patrick? & is he a supervisor? If so I saw him when waiting in line for Physco Mouse. He was walking through the Fast Lane entrance gate. Didn't bother with Happy Feet. Finally got on Down Hill Thunder. At first when I got there it was closed because of a dead bird. It opened shortly after that & I got 2 rides in. I love going backwards over the hump at the end. Log ride is great fun when you sit right in front you sure get splashed!

 

 

 

You win best post of the day in my opinion. Everyone else, nice try and come back tomorrow.

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