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There will be some days that Fast Lane will be VERY useful here at the park. For example, Spring Celebration, Kababayan Fest, and 4th of July weekend. On these days, rides like Flight Deck, Vortex, and Demon can have 1-2 hour waits, so no doubt Fast Lane will be a big hit. Also during Haunt, where these same rides all have 2-3 hour waits, I can imagine Fast Lane even selling out.

 

The problem is, those are the most crowded days of the year. Most of the time, the waits are managable. I can imagine that on dead days, people may purchase a Fast Lane pass, only to be disappointed that they didn't really need it because all the coasters were walk ons.

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Yea, I forgot about the 'special' days/holidays. But I can definitely see this being a success with Haunt as we've all seen how it was in 2011, and how much more busy it was compared to the same time in 2010. 2012's going to probably see more 'selling out' days with what few Haunt days there are.

 

As far as any other day, I can see the Fast Lane as an 'ok' thing to do on a mid summer Saturday. Some may just not have the patience for waiting 30 minutes, and some may just want to skip the lines altogether for the novelty of "I don't have to wait in line today! I can cut everyone and get away with it!" Also, good for those who aren't regular visitors of CGA who feel the need to jam everything in a single day as it will be a couple years from that visit that they'll be there again.

I don't see the Fast Lane being as much as a 'must have' for Sundays, when I usually go as my longest waits for the popular rides (excluding Psycho Mouse) are under 30 minutes and usually are just a 3-cycle wait... But I could be wrong. We'll see as the season unfolds.

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I was a bit surprised when Cedar Fair announced every park would be getting Fast Lane since a few of them (including CGA) don't seem like they need it. However, I guess on the rare crowded day it could be worthwhile. Both times I've visited the park (both July weekdays) the longest line outside of the waterpark was about 15 minutes. I'm glad to see that the pass will include the non-coaster rides that actually had a significant wait on my visit (namely Barney Oldfield, Logger's Run, and the Skyride), and I could see Flight Deck and Psycho Mouse as benefitting from it (every other coaster that they currently have was a walk-on on both visits). Why they are using it for shows, however, is beyond me.

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Most of the rides that will utilize fast lane have had either separate entrances built completely from scratch (Vortex and Demon), or have modified other parts of unused queue lines or exits to accommodate for this. What I like about Cedar Fair's version is it is more like Disney and they will be merging the fast lane with the stand-by entrance, versus Six Flags where most of the Flash Pass rides just use the exit and let people right one which I don't think is right.

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Most of the rides that will utilize fast lane have had either separate entrances built completely from scratch (Vortex and Demon), or have modified other parts of unused queue lines or exits to accommodate for this. What I like about Cedar Fair's version is it is more like Disney and they will be merging the fast lane with the stand-by entrance, versus Six Flags where most of the Flash Pass rides just use the exit and let people right one which I don't think is right.

 

That's definitely not the case at SFDK. When they got Lo-Q they modified most the entrances and hired attendants to merge Flash Pass users into the normal queue. Before then they did just let everyone skip the line, but now everyone kind of caught on that that was a bad idea.

 

I agree it's useful on busy days, but I just don't see a significant ROI when the majority of the days probably won't see a lot of sales. Maybe when the park starts adding some more major rides again and attendance returns to what it was 10 to 12 years ago, then it will be useful.

 

On the subject of Vortex, it's really not a bad coaster, just short and could use some serious train work. I've had some spectacular rides on it and some pretty awful ones as well, it really depends on the condition of the train. When the train is locked in and running well, that is a kick ass little ride.

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Most of the rides that will utilize fast lane have had either separate entrances built completely from scratch (Vortex and Demon), or have modified other parts of unused queue lines or exits to accommodate for this. What I like about Cedar Fair's version is it is more like Disney and they will be merging the fast lane with the stand-by entrance, versus Six Flags where most of the Flash Pass rides just use the exit and let people right one which I don't think is right.

 

 

On the subject of Vortex, it's really not a bad coaster, just short and could use some serious train work. I've had some spectacular rides on it and some pretty awful ones as well, it really depends on the condition of the train. When the train is locked in and running well, that is a kick A$$ little ride.

 

Personally, I have never had a decent ride on Vortex. It maybe due to my height, but I want to have kids some day so I avoid it at all costs.

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Would fast-passes still be sold during Haunt? From the TRs I've seen, it looks like all the coasters get long lines during that season!

 

The entire park gets packed during Haunt (We sold out park capacity last season) As far as the fastlane, stay tuned to the site closer to Haunt for those details.

 

As to Vortex, not sure where that rumor started, but it just had a second queue line added for the fastlane

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Most of the rides that will utilize fast lane have had either separate entrances built completely from scratch (Vortex and Demon), or have modified other parts of unused queue lines or exits to accommodate for this. What I like about Cedar Fair's version is it is more like Disney and they will be merging the fast lane with the stand-by entrance, versus Six Flags where most of the Flash Pass rides just use the exit and let people right one which I don't think is right.

 

That's definitely not the case at SFDK. When they got Lo-Q they modified most the entrances and hired attendants to merge Flash Pass users into the normal queue. Before then they did just let everyone skip the line, but now everyone kind of caught on that that was a bad idea.

 

I agree it's useful on busy days, but I just don't see a significant ROI when the majority of the days probably won't see a lot of sales. Maybe when the park starts adding some more major rides again and attendance returns to what it was 10 to 12 years ago, then it will be useful.

 

On the subject of Vortex, it's really not a bad coaster, just short and could use some serious train work. I've had some spectacular rides on it and some pretty awful ones as well, it really depends on the condition of the train. When the train is locked in and running well, that is a kick A$$ little ride.

 

I agree, I have really good rides on Vortex. The problem is it could be a good or bad ride. I tend to stick my head forward to try to relieve the headbanging. I think that B&M really needs to release new stand-up trains to replace the ones right now, and they can make some money on selling it to the parks that have horrible stand-up trains, like Vekoma's new trains.

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I agree it's useful on busy days, but I just don't see a significant ROI when the majority of the days probably won't see a lot of sales.

 

Lo-Q pays for and builds the infrastructure. Investment is minimal for the park. The park reconfigures a few queues, posts some signage, trains and staffs a few employees. The park gets a cut of the revenue. And what do patrons do when they are not waiting in line for rides? They shop, eat and play games providing incremental revenue.

 

Remember the typical theme park visitor is quite different from the typical enthusiast.

 

CGA might not be the ideal park for Lo-Q, outside of busy weekends and special events, but CP should strive for consistency across the chain.

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I know it gives the park more revenue, but I really hate these Flash Pass-style systems. One of the reason I like Cedar Fair was because its parks had no cutting line systems as whenever I go to SFDK, Flash Pass always bothers me, constantly makes me late for shows, and really lowers my total experience.

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I know it gives the park more revenue, but I really hate these Flash Pass-style systems. One of the reason I like Cedar Fair was because its parks had no cutting line systems as whenever I go to SFDK, Flash Pass always bothers me, constantly makes me late for shows, and really lowers my total experience.

 

Sounds like a good reason to buy a Flash Pass, or Fast Lane pass.

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I'm not sure what the standard protocol is for the virtual queue systems but I do recall during the TPR event, having a Q-bot/Flash Pass user come up through the exit as I was the next in line. The FP user took the row I was to get seated in for that cycle. After they boarded, then the air gates opened and everyone else next in line got on. Was a bit irritating but it was only 1 more cycle.

 

If I had read these right, these fast pass users supposed to merge with the rest at the station through a special entry point. I noticed Medusa has an entry just to the front of the station, and I believe V2 has one just before the stairs coming up to the station (which was the ride I got Flash Passed out of a seat for that cycle). I guess we'll see how it all comes together once the season gets rolling, and we'll see how many people attempt to abuse the system (and look like a complete idiot in the process) if that's even possible.

 

As much as I don't like the idea of having someone snag my seat, I look at the long term of things. If it's going to help the park financially then I'm all for it. As much as I will most likely never use it, I don't mind seeing the park being able to bring in some revenue because in the end, a higher income can lead to a successful park and new opportunities.

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Personally I am sold on the idea and will be signing up for it this weekend. Why the heck not? It looks like not that many people participated at Great America last year from what I have seen. Hopefully we can make a showing here this year and raise some money and awareness. ...and of course have some fun in the process.

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Personally I am sold on the idea and will be signing up for it this weekend. Why the heck not? It looks like not that many people participated at Great America last year from what I have seen. Hopefully we can make a showing here this year and raise some money and awareness. ...and of course have some fun in the process.

 

We only had about 8 people at Valleyfair! last year, but it was still a great event. The lunch was decent (I'm sure it varies by park) and the T-Shirt was high quality. If you are even thinking about doing the event, seriously go for it!

 

Plus with smaller crowds, you have a better chance to win the prizes.

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I have been known to completely contradict myself going into too much detail, so I'll try to simplify my verdict on Vortex: decently thrilling, but rough. I used to rate it pretty highly, but nowadays I realize it's nothing too special.

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