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Quick question sorry I'm slightly off topic. Has Loggers Run been open during the day or is it only open when the Haunt is going on? & Is Whitewater Falls still open? I know Rip Roaring Rapids & the Waterpark is closed. & How have the last couple Sundays been wait wise-are they more than 30 min? I might go this Sunday only if Loggers Run will be open. & Because it's been really nice weather.

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^Umm.. I can tell you 100% that Kings Dominion isn't going to close and there is no reason for it to. CGA has a reason to, sort of. It isn't the greatest park in the world and they only have old dated rides. Unlike Kings Dominion, the place that gets something almost every year!

 

I was using KD as a metaphor for effect, not reality. I didn't say it was the greatest park in the world, I said it was an awesome park.

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Quick question sorry I'm slightly off topic. Has Loggers Run been open during the day or is it only open when the Haunt is going on? & Is Whitewater Falls still open? I know Rip Roaring Rapids & the Waterpark is closed. & How have the last couple Sundays been wait wise-are they more than 30 min? I might go this Sunday only if Loggers Run will be open. & Because it's been really nice weather.

 

Logger's remains open during the day, along with White Water Falls. I actually recall riding White Water Falls a couple years ago on CGA's last day of the season, which happened to be a chilly November 1st. WWF does not operate at night during Haunt however.

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I really don't get this whole "let's bash any park that doesn't have a totally badass coaster count" kind of thought that seems to go around on this forum (espicially CGA's thread.) I don't want to be too judgemental (oh, fuck it I'm going to anyways) but it seems that the people who apparently have no "optimism" are the people that 1. Don't pay attention to the park 2. Bash the park unnecessarily (when there are many other parks that deserve this kind of bashing) and 3. Wouldn't care if the park closed down and like to act as if the park means nothing to anyone. I'm sorry but why don't you consider the people who actually DO care about the park ("*Gasp* people care about CGA?! That's I blasphemy tell you") and think that maybe the park does have some meaning. Has anybody actually checked out the flat rides and/or the water rides? My guess is no (from what everybody makes it sound like) and that they really only go to ride coasters for two hours and leave. Then you think you know everything about the park from that short visit that you took? Or you know what, forget that. Let's just say that some people by chance actually DO spend more than just a couple hours at the park, do you wait for the flats, or do you just mindlessly make your way through the park without admiring the fact that there's actually more to CGA then just coasters. Did you happen to do that or even try to semi-notice and appriciate it? Either ways, why not just give the park another freaking chance?! It has a new owner and new potential and it's not Cedar Fair. But please consider that some people actually like this park and it actually has something to it. Alright?

/End rant

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One thing I got to thinking about, again too soon to tell...since there will be a stadium on site, I'm wondering if there's really a need for the un-shaded Redwood Amphitheater or if that can be taken out to make way for CGA's hybrid Intamin/B&M/GCI/S&S Arrow inverted wooden 4d wingrider aquatrax coaster.

 

 

You know, that makes perfect sense. Why have concerts in that dinky amphitheater when they could be in the huge stadium? Removing the theater opens up land for a great coaster and having concerts in the stadium allows a larger audience which means (way) more profit in ticket sales as well as food and beverage sales at the stadium while the park can have room to grow....I think its good for everyone this way.

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^Not to mention, it was not used for any regular shows this season. Actually, I last remember knowing of its use back in 2009/10 for All Wheels Extreme. Prior to that, I do not recall any 'regular' shows to be held there. I do however remember being in that amphitheater (honestly, the only other time I've been in there) when I was young as my sister had a dance recital there. After her performance (and the rest of her dance class) we were off to do the rides. Me not being into the whole dancing thing was ready to do rides once I set foot into the park but being younger had no say

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I don't think people on the East Coast understand the feelings those on the West Coast feel. I hate to steriotype, but that's the way I see it.

 

Remember when Geauga Lake closed? Everyone seemed sad about Teh Big Dipper, but, overall, there was less grief than I would imagine a park that size would have when it closed. That is because most of CF's parks are in the northeast. I have never even been to GL, and I have still ridden its two signature coasters, at other parks (Dominator and X-Flight/Firehawk) However, if CGA closed under CF ownership, the only CF park on the West Coast is Knott's. Knott's might get one or two rides, but most of the rides would be moved to NE parks.

 

To make a long point short: On the East coast, you guys are spoiled by parks. When in Pennsylvania and the states surrounding it, I don't think I was ever more than a 4 hour drive from the next major park on my NE trip. In norcal, you are stuck with SFDK, and CGA. if one is removed, that is, literally, removing half the major parks in the area. That would be like closing Hersheypark and Knoebels. You wouldn't be sad, though, because you still have Dorney and Kennywood, right? Disney, Knott's and SFMM are about a 6 hour drive south. Imagine only having one park less than a 6 hour drive away. How much fun would that be?

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I don't think this has been posted yet, but an interesting quote from a new article:

 

“There are lots of opportunities. The sell moves us down the field in fulfilling the vision of making Santa Clara’s sports and entertainment area premier destination,” says Mayor Jamie Matthews, adding “the ‘new’ Great America will be familiar but exciting.”

 

"New" but "familiar" Great America sounds promising.

 

http://www.santaclaraweekly.com/2011/Issue-38/Cedar_Fair_to_Sell_Californias_Great_America_Sell_Would_Negate_Lawsuit.html

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I don't think people on the East Coast understand the feelings those on the West Coast feel. I hate to steriotype, but that's the way I see it.

 

Remember when Geauga Lake closed? Everyone seemed sad about Teh Big Dipper, but, overall, there was less grief than I would imagine a park that size would have when it closed. That is because most of CF's parks are in the northeast. I have never even been to GL, and I have still ridden its two signature coasters, at other parks (Dominator and X-Flight/Firehawk) However, if CGA closed under CF ownership, the only CF park on the West Coast is Knott's. Knott's might get one or two rides, but most of the rides would be moved to NE parks.

 

To make a long point short: On the East coast, you guys are spoiled by parks. When in Pennsylvania and the states surrounding it, I don't think I was ever more than a 4 hour drive from the next major park on my NE trip. In norcal, you are stuck with SFDK, and CGA. if one is removed, that is, literally, removing half the major parks in the area. That would be like closing Hersheypark and Knoebels. You wouldn't be sad, though, because you still have Dorney and Kennywood, right? Disney, Knott's and SFMM are about a 6 hour drive south. Imagine only having one park less than a 6 hour drive away. How much fun would that be?

 

Don't forget you also have Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, and to a lessor extent, Gilroy Gardens. Still, I hope CGA stays open and JMA improves it over the coming years. That place has potential especially with the 49ers stadium and fans coming in and being in a highly populated metro area.

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I honestly think this is one of the best things that can happen to the park as of today. Essentially, now there's going to be a good relationship between the city of Santa Clara, CGA, and the 49'ers stadium project. What it seems like now, is that there will be more people/groups in favor of improving the park, and quieting the damn business neighbors. And I think by taking away the corporate operating company (Cedar Fair), CGA can become a lot more unique. There is HUGE potential for the park and the surrounding area.

 

Why it can be a great area?

-Public transportation is plentiful in the area (Bus service, Light Rail, Caltrain)

-Convention Center right across the street

-Golf Course right across the street

-CGA

-49'ers stadium

-A lot of large shopping centers within less than 4 miles from the park (Mercado, Rivermark, McCarthy Ranch)

 

I truly believe that all of these things can be good for the park and only help the area grow.

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I honestly think this is one of the best things that can happen to the park as of today. Essentially, now there's going to be a good relationship between the city of Santa Clara, CGA, and the 49'ers stadium project. What it seems like now, is that there will be more people/groups in favor of improving the park, and quieting the damn business neighbors. And I think by taking away the corporate operating company (Cedar Fair), CGA can become a lot more unique. There is HUGE potential for the park and the surrounding area.

 

Why it can be a great area?

-Public transportation is plentiful in the area (Bus service, Light Rail, Caltrain)

-Convention Center right across the street

-Golf Course right across the street

-CGA

-49'ers stadium

-A lot of large shopping centers within less than 4 miles from the park (Mercado, Rivermark, McCarthy Ranch)

 

I truly believe that all of these things can be good for the park and only help the area grow.

 

I agree

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One thing I got to thinking about, again too soon to tell...since there will be a stadium on site, I'm wondering if there's really a need for the un-shaded Redwood Amphitheater or if that can be taken out to make way for CGA's hybrid Intamin/B&M/GCI/S&S Arrow inverted wooden 4d wingrider aquatrax coaster.

 

 

You know, that makes perfect sense. Why have concerts in that dinky amphitheater when they could be in the huge stadium? Removing the theater opens up land for a great coaster and having concerts in the stadium allows a larger audience which means (way) more profit in ticket sales as well as food and beverage sales at the stadium while the park can have room to grow....I think its good for everyone this way.

 

There's only so many tours that could sell out a football stadium. Keeping/upgrading the amphitheater is a better option for making the area an "entertainment destination." Look at L.A. Live: they want a football stadium, already have staples center (18,000 seats), have the 7,000 seat Noka Theatre, and the 2,500 seat Club Nokia in one place.

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I was just thinking about that...we're now safe from upcharge (main, high-capacity) attractions, unless JMA feels it's necessary to do such things to the park.

 

Thinking about things even more in terms of development, the BART train system we have here has proposed plans on making its way to San Jose. It would now be nice to see some integration between BART and the stadium...ideally, it would be cool if the station was close enough by the park, much like how there's a Colosseum station for the Raiders/A's. Realistically though, I can just see a shuttle linking to the closest BART station to the stadium/park site.

 

Lastly, on a different topic regarding CGA...I was transferring some old movie film which featured GA from back in the 70s, pre-tidal wave coaster, up to some footage where you can see TW's loop. Saw some footage of the Lobster ride, Yukon Yahoo signage, signage on the bridge for Yukon Territory and of course some nice stuff (offride) of Sky Whirl. Who knew? The bridge/path leading to County Fair at one point was covered. I never knew that until I came across this footage.

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^One problem with having a Bart station is that with the Bart, gangs migrated to areas outside San Fran....I really don't want CGA to becom SFMM in 06'.

Good point... That's actually kind of what happened with one of our local malls. Since adding the Bayfair station, that mall has attracted a lot of the 'ghetto' crowd from the depths of Oakland. That mall's gone down hill sadly...and when I was a kid, it was a thriving place. While BART is convenient, it just may be too convenient.

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I don't think people on the East Coast understand the feelings those on the West Coast feel. I hate to steriotype, but that's the way I see it.

 

Remember when Geauga Lake closed? Everyone seemed sad about Teh Big Dipper, but, overall, there was less grief than I would imagine a park that size would have when it closed. That is because most of CF's parks are in the northeast. I have never even been to GL, and I have still ridden its two signature coasters, at other parks (Dominator and X-Flight/Firehawk) However, if CGA closed under CF ownership, the only CF park on the West Coast is Knott's. Knott's might get one or two rides, but most of the rides would be moved to NE parks.

 

To make a long point short: On the East coast, you guys are spoiled by parks. When in Pennsylvania and the states surrounding it, I don't think I was ever more than a 4 hour drive from the next major park on my NE trip. In norcal, you are stuck with SFDK, and CGA. if one is removed, that is, literally, removing half the major parks in the area. That would be like closing Hersheypark and Knoebels. You wouldn't be sad, though, because you still have Dorney and Kennywood, right? Disney, Knott's and SFMM are about a 6 hour drive south. Imagine only having one park less than a 6 hour drive away. How much fun would that be?

 

I understand you on that point,the major parks close enough to me are KD,SFA & to a lesser extent BGW.Now if SFA closed I wouldn't feel too bad about it as they've been really coming up short(much like CGA in the past few years) but if KD wentI'd be a little more upset over it,that said CGA's biggest problem with additions/expansions seems to be the pesky neighbors & their "NIMBY" attitude as it's this attitude that cost CGA that woodie that CF wanted to install,whereas GL was doomed the instant SFI had sold it since even they knew that the park had fallen so far behind in terms of new additions that it was beyond saving.

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