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They both also have temperature thresholds that can't be guaranteed in November and December.

 

Okay

 

https://www.wbtv.com/story/28640352/fury325-and-cabelas-bring-a-flurry-of-activity-to-carowinds-blvd/

"Since it was windy and the temperature was below 40 degrees, park officials had to wait to open Fury325 until it got a bit warmer. However, temperatures eventually climbed and so did the number of people lining up for the ride."

 

I agree that average temps in Charlotte are above that threshold, but evening temps (Winterfest hours are 5p-10p most days) can easily fall close to the 40° mark.

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Rides have been testing and lots of credible people are openly sharing it. I believe it. It's ballsy for Cedar Fair considering the fact that North Carolina is having a rise in cases (not because goin

The event has been live for like not even 5 hours.  Eeesh give people some time.

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I said "almost" every day and 40 degrees is generally just a startup temperature for the parks that even care (see: Dollywood). Yes, I was there that day that you picked out from 4 1/2 years ago when Fury opened 2 hours late.

 

Anyway I give up. I'll be riding Nitro in the snow if anyone needs me.

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I said "almost" every day and 40 degrees is generally just a startup temperature for the parks that even care (see: Dollywood). Yes, I was there that day 4 1/2 years ago when Fury opened 2 hours late.

 

Anyway I give up. I'll be riding Nitro in the snow if anyone needs me.

 

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At least Copperhead Strike will be open for Winterfest. Another major coaster to eat up crowds will help. Kings Dominion is also opening Twisted Timbers this year in addition to Dominator (albeit not opening Rebel Yell anymore).

 

But aside from those two parks and the two in California, Six Flags definitely has the more “fun” winter events for us enthusiasts!

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I said "almost" every day and 40 degrees is generally just a startup temperature for the parks that even care (see: Dollywood). Yes, I was there that day that you picked out from 4 1/2 years ago when Fury opened 2 hours late.

 

So, to sum up: I state the rides have temperatures in which the rides won't be run and those temperatures may not be met in the months of Winterfest. You mock it and use a different park as proof, as well as an average temp calendar for December that shows lows below that temperature. I respond with proof that Fury was delayed to open - on its opening day, no less. You respond with "Well, I didn't say 'all' days."

 

So would you agree that Fury and Intimidator have operating temperatures that Carowinds won't run the rides AND that those temperatures are possible during the time Winterfest operates?

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90% of the time without an odd front coming through the low temperature will be reached in middle of the night or very early morning right before sunrise at like 4am. Surely everyone knows that right? Right?

 

Rides can occasionally close for weather conditions of some kind any day of the year. It would be rare for the startup temperature to not be met by the time the rides need to start testing for the day, especially with an afternoon opening which is actually ideal. if it does happen and they don't want to run it below 40 degrees (even though... lol) then okay, the ride is closed for weather that day. Rides close for weather in the summer on windy / stormy days too. It wouldn't be that common.

 

Like I said, the rides are closed because they don't want to run them because they don't think they have to to draw gate. Acting like there's an actual reason for it beyond that is kind of crazy when they’ll happily open at 10am in March when the same possibility exists. Cedar Fair doesn’t even run all of their rides in their Northern California park where the Six Flags park up the road isn't even seasonal. This is silly. Just call a spade a spade.

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I have a serious question not related to the park's decision to operate coasters when they can clearly be operated. Would the cold weather be a factor with any maintenance or wear?

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I'm just a lurker, but wasn't there a lot of discussion about cold temps and coasters at Carowinds a couple of years ago on this thread? I thought someone who worked on Fury cleared a lot of the confusion up.

 

There’s not much to clear up. Carowinds starts it at 40 degrees. Even if they don’t change that at all and keep their policy exactly as-is it could still run most nights if they wanted to run it but they’ve decided not to.

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I think the reason they have Winterfest at all is it draws a different clientele and they tend to spend more per visit.

 

Virginia is colder than Charlotte and they're running rides that they not only won't start up at less than 40 degrees, I know from experience they close (casually -- those in line get to ride) as soon as it drops below. The one they'd go below that last year they're not running this year -- but I am glad they'll be doing something with lots of lower speed thrills. I expect they won't run anything at Carowinds lower than that either. Both cases are better than Christmas Town was back in the day when they only ran one coaster and if it went down for any reason you'd better be feeling the holiday spirit(s).

 

Great Adventure is more daring than SFA, although last time I went and they closed coasters for cold, I admit I wouldn't have made it a lot longer.

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Great Adventure has never once closed coasters for cold, if they were closed then they were broken (probably because of the cold, but it wasn’t for lack of effort or insanity lol) or a combination of cold and high winds where they pretty much knew they would valley.

 

There were a few times last year where we thought there might be new temp limits since almost everything closed at once but it was just because the rides start breaking constantly when it gets cold enough (usually mid 20s) and maintenance gets backed up. Usually we think they found their sanity and then 30 minutes later we hear Nitro’s airhorn.

 

I’m not expecting Carowinds to be that insane and having no limits at all. I’m not suggesting that at all. Lol

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That is a common practice? My apologies then; this is my first time encountering a park that kicks people out and then "re-opens" the same day. I still think they shouldn't be charging full price when the pass is only valid for half the day.

Universal Orlando and Hollywood does it.

Knott's does it.

Busch gardens Tampa does it.

Six flags parks charges to go in the houses separate from park admission.

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I have a serious question not related to the park's decision to operate coasters when they can clearly be operated. Would the cold weather be a factor with any maintenance or wear?

 

Any issues would probably be based around any lubricants they use. Grease will become more viscous as it cools down, so performance can vary. Everyone thinks about the wheels and bottom of the train, but I'd be more concerned with smaller parts gumming up. Thinks like hinges in the restraint systems or parts of the train that don't generate heat. I'd wager that is probably the biggest issue faced as temps fall.

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I've never participated in this argument, but on one of my frustrating coaster facebook groups someone shared a video of Leviathan looking like it was going to valley during a cool day, a couple days ago. It was like sub TTD cresting slow. I'm not trying to get involved, but it just made me think of this discussion. I would have shared it, but I was on my phone.

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I saw the same video on Insta. Crazy stuff.

 

I have a friend who op'd Diamondback at Kings Island. He said that some days they'd do their first test runs in the early morning when it was cold and the train would barely make it into the brake run after the splashdown even if the MCBR did absolutely nothing. I asked if they'd ever tried it with a full stop on the MCBR and he said they wouldn't dare.

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I found the Leviathan video. The trees are absolutely whipping around so I think the issue is more high winds than extreme cold. The people in the video aren't even wearing jackets (though they're also Canadians).

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Got to ride Copperhead Strike for the first time on Sunday after work. It was a much better ride than I had anticipated based on some reviews I’d read/heard. Launches were solid, layout was a lot more forceful and intense than expected, inversions had great hangtime, and it had a few nice moments of ejector air. Second best ride in the park behind Fury 325 in my opinion.

 

Also got to ride Intimidator, Afterburn, and Fury. Intimidator was running much better that my last ride on it in 2016, Afterburn is still a great intense old-school invert, and Fury is still as incredible as ever.

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Copperhead is my second favorite ride in the park too. It's a fantastic addition and I don't understand any of the complaints about it. It's kind of a perfect ride for me.

 

I had the same reaction as you when I rode it in June. I learned to NEVER trust the reviews of "hardcore enthusiasts." They bitch no matter what the ride is.

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I'd love to know how much they pushed it during testing and how much faster they could make it go without undue strain on the ride. Would be great if they could run it a bit faster at certain times. I know it sounds like I am complaining, but it is still a really fun ride. And it is open for Winterfest this year!

 

That said, it is #4 for me at Carowinds, behind Fury, Afterburn, and Intimidator.

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I don't think it's supposed to run faster. The point is the hang time and just making it through the loops, right?
I agree. The ride was designed with this in mind and I think they nailed it. Every time I ride it I get off thinking that was so much fun which is in my opinion exactly what you should think after riding a coaster.

 

For me at Carowinds it's Fury, Copperhead, Afterburn, Intimidator in that order. I will say 2 -4 are very close.

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I don't think it's supposed to run faster. The point is the hang time and just making it through the loops, right?

 

I know it's the point with this coaster. I am just curious how those inversions would be with some speed. I don't really care for the hang time. They have Southern Star for that.

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