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I don't believe Carowinds (or CF for that matter) are going to go with a launched RMC anytime soon. With it being relatively close to Dollywood, I don't see the point (same with a Wing Coaster). I could see them going with Gerstlauer (launched Infinity), Premier or Mack who seem to be more reliable as of late. And of course who wouldn't want an Intamin Blitz (my preference for a launch)? I guess we'll find out in the next few months what's coming when the signs are more telling. Still believe however this will be GCI.

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1. I don’t think Hurler is getting RMC’d anytime soon. The KD one was because it was in terrible shape and was in a dead area of the park. Carowinds’s is relatively smooth and provides a solid family coaster experience.

 

2. If this is a 2019 project it will probably be either a GCI or a raptor. With a dive being all but confirmed for Canada’s Wodnerland, Cedar Fair would likely build something less expensive in the same year (plus with Kanonen possibly coming to Dorney too, idk). And it would be a great fit. They need a really good woodie now that Thunder Road passed on.

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Could the permit be for a hotel?

 

Carowinds plans development on northeast side of park

By Ashley Fahey – Staff Writer, Charlotte Business Journal

Feb 12, 2018, 2:17pm EST Updated Feb 12, 2018, 2:25pm

 

The amusement park will begin construction on a five-floor, 130-room SpringHill Suites by Marriott hotel this spring on the northeast corner of Carowinds.

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Yes there will be a hotel (whether or not the permit on the page before is for this or not, I'm not sure of).

From that article:

Carowinds will soon begin site work to make way for a development on at least part of the land it rezoned last year.

 

The amusement park confirmed it will begin construction on a five-floor, 130-room SpringHill Suites by Marriott hotel this spring on the northeast corner of Carowinds. The Charlotte Business Journal previously reported that the 24.2-acre parcel at 14523 Carowinds Blvd., which Carowinds rezoned last year, was pegged for a SpringHill Suites hotel.

 

Expected to break ground by the end of March, the hotel will be owned and operated by Carowinds as a Marriott franchise. It's the first hotel that Carowinds will develop, though its parent company, Cedar Fair Entertainment Co. (NYSE: FUN) out of Sandusky, Ohio, owns four hotels elsewhere.

 

The hotel will include suites as well as a pool, fitness center, small bar and an outdoor seating area with a fire pit, according to Lisa Stryker, director of communications at Carowinds. The SpringHill Suites is expected to open in the summer of 2019.

 

Stryker said there are no other confirmed plans for the remainder of the site and that Carowinds is "always considering the best use of land." Cedar Fair acquired the land in 2011 for $810,000. A conventional rezoning request last year rezoned the land to a light industrial zoning designation that permits a wide range of commercial uses.

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Vortex is not getting converted. Geez let it go.

 

And you know this how? Did the dipping dots guy give you some inside knowledge? Dude, Cedar Fair has been on a mission to rid themselves of stand up coasters. Common sense should tell you the last one is getting it too.

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Well this is an interesting move. I'm surprised that they're opening a SpringHill Suites franchise and not a park branded hotel. The park is located right off of a major interstate so it would very likely be successful even if Carowinds didn't exist. It seems like they're playing it very conservative here.

 

For the consumer this is great. Part of the reason I NEVER stay at theme park hotels (even if they're reasonably priced... see: DreamMore) is because it makes way more sense to stay with hotel chains with loyalty programs where you can earn or use points for your stay and rack up nights that help you unlock different status levels with point bonuses and extra perks for the following year. If you're a Marriot rewards member this is awesome, especially if the park offers additional incentives for staying there (like early entry, discounts on Fastlane and/or admission, package pickup or something along those lines). Staying at a park hotel AND earning meaningful rewards? What a time to be alive.

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I am 100% for Vortex getting converted because it would go from a terrible coaster to a moderately fun ride.

 

Eh...I think it would lessen the experience. Making it floorless would be fine, and it would still be fun, but Vortex isn't as bad as some other standups (IMO). Sure, many people would be happy with it floorlessified, but I think it would lose its uniqueness in the process.

 

At the rate Cedar Fair is going though, I would not at all be surprised to see it converted eventually.

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Vortex/Patriot at Cali's Great America is shorter in length than Vortex at Carowinds; so if it worked out well for Great America's stand up, why not for Carowinds'?

 

It's not as bad as the aging Arrow coasters, but it'd be much more re-ride-able as at sit down or floorless IMO.

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FYI, this will be owned and operated by Carowinds. Just licensed the Marriot brand.

 

I know that. I just think it's interesting that they're paying for a brand name rather than just running their own hotel outright without having to worry about licensing. It's a win for the consumer because of the Marriot rewards program, but an interesting choice for Carowinds.

 

For me, it says that they're playing it conservative and plan to compete with the nearby Motel 6, Clarion, Quality Inn, Country Inn and Best Western for the I-77 market (since they're right off the exit) to help make this a profitable venture (especially when the park is closed). They can come up with incentives to rope in the people going to Carowinds that the other hotels can't, but without a name brand you would have a tougher time capturing the road trippers who don't care about the park at all that (I'm sure) make up a huge portion of the hotel market off that exit.

 

It's a safe way to dip their toes into the hotel market. They have Cedar Point, but that's a really unique situation. If this works I would expect them to do it at other parks. I'd keep an eye on Kings Island, Kings Dominion and maybe even Dorney and World's of Fun since (like Carowinds) they're all in locations where a hotel could be profitable even if the theme park didn't exist.

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Vortex is not getting converted. Geez let it go.

 

And you know this how? Did the dipping dots guy give you some inside knowledge? Dude, Cedar Fair has been on a mission to rid themselves of stand up coasters. Common sense should tell you the last one is getting it too.

It may get converted eventually...but not for 2019. Something will be going in the area that White Water Falls, Sand Dune Lagoon & Thunder Road's station was, including the flyers that are on hiatus this year while construction takes place.

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Vortex is not getting converted. Geez let it go.

 

And you know this how? Did the dipping dots guy give you some inside knowledge? Dude, Cedar Fair has been on a mission to rid themselves of stand up coasters. Common sense should tell you the last one is getting it too.

 

It may get converted eventually...but not for 2019. Something will be going in the area that White Water Falls, Sand Dune Lagoon & Thunder Road's station was, including the flyers that are on hiatus this year while construction takes place.

 

We'll see...

 

Cedar Fair let that empty space sit at Canada's Wonderland for awhile...I'm guessing they'll do the same thing here at Carowinds. Canada's Wonderland is getting the huge investment in 2019. Dorney looks to be doing the same thing Knotts did. Too many patterns here. The stand up conversion every 2 years is looking very promising. I can see your prediction happening in 2020 though. But CGA also may be getting that hyper too soon. Carowinds may have to wait for their next big coaster in 3 - 4 years.

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There were two floorless conversions, and they were in 2015 and 2017. I don't at all think that means that CF has decided they will do floorless conversions every two years. The years seem pretty irrelevant to me, honestly.

 

I also think Canada's Wonderland was an unique case that caused them to wait multiple years without their new ride for 2019. I'm confident in that. Unless another rare situation happens at Carowinds very, very soon, I don't believe they'll be waiting too long.

 

That said, I do think it's likely Vortex would be converted in the next few years, depending on how Patriot goes. I also don't know that Rougarou could be called a massive success (especially given the price I've heard), but I'm not entirely in the position to say for sure.

 

Either way, exciting things for sure happening at Carowinds, and at many different parks in the chain! Very excited for the future of this company.

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Stand-up coasters are a weird breed. Different height / body type can lead to such a wide range of feedback on these things that it's honestly kind of nuts. For example: I hate every standup coaster I've ever ridden EXCEPT for the Carowinds Vortex. I actually kind of like the thing. Go figure....

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Stand-up coasters are a weird breed. Different height / body type can lead to such a wide range of feedback on these things that it's honestly kind of nuts.

 

This is so true. Vortex (Carowinds) and Apocalypse are two of the worst roller coasters I've ever ridden, while Riddler's Revenge is one of my all-time favorite B&Ms! It's basically the "Kumba of the West" in terms of massive, forceful B&M loopers. Not only are they so subjective to enthusiasts, but each one is subjective to the other as well.

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Vortex is not getting converted. Geez let it go.

 

And you know this how? Did the dipping dots guy give you some inside knowledge? Dude, Cedar Fair has been on a mission to rid themselves of stand up coasters. Common sense should tell you the last one is getting it too.

 

It may get converted eventually...but not for 2019. Something will be going in the area that White Water Falls, Sand Dune Lagoon & Thunder Road's station was, including the flyers that are on hiatus this year while construction takes place.

 

We'll see...

 

Cedar Fair let that empty space sit at Canada's Wonderland for awhile...I'm guessing they'll do the same thing here at Carowinds. Canada's Wonderland is getting the huge investment in 2019. Dorney looks to be doing the same thing Knotts did. Too many patterns here. The stand up conversion every 2 years is looking very promising. I can see your prediction happening in 2020 though. But CGA also may be getting that hyper too soon. Carowinds may have to wait for their next big coaster in 3 - 4 years.

 

 

" Project Alpha", which is shown in the permits filed (shown 3 pages ago), were filed in South Carolina (York County). Vortex, Hurler and the hotel are all in North Caroina. If it were a Vortex or Hurler conversion, the permit (s) would have been filed in NC (Mecklenburg County). The project will be in the area noted in my previous reply. There will be no Vortex conversion in 2019.

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