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Great video! It's really funny to me though how Cedar Point employees can't say anything bad about anything at a Cedar Fair park though. It's funny watching you try to restrain yourself when giving a review of the kiddy hang and bang.

 

The only thing I don't do in regards to being a CP employee is film on rides, and that's mainly because I think filming on rides is silly (I wouldn't want to lose my camera because it was expensive and a safety hazard). If I truly don't like a particular ride, I would say so. I wasn't trying to "restrain" myself when I briefly talked about their kiddy coaster. Unlike hardcore coaster enthusiasts, I don't like given a detailed explanation of every single coaster/attraction I ride. In general I try to stay positive about every aspect in life so even though I did find the coaster rough, I just didn't feel like explaining precisely how rough it was, what exact spots, etc.

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That's cool, I'm just messing with you. I have noticed though that Cedar Point employees refuse to say anything even slightly negative about a Cedar Fair park ever and it's kind of funny to watch. As I said though, really cool video and I hope you do more of them. I'm really starting to enjoy vlogs all of a sudden. As usual I usually get into new trends about a decade after the rest of the world does.

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I had a great time at Carowinds this year during my first ever visit. Check out my video blog! Any comments about it would be appreciated.

First, I want to say that I've enjoyed every one of your video blogs so far. I also envy you that you have a group of your friends who are interested enough in the parks to travel with you. Are they buddies from work or outside of work?

 

I like watching your videos and you have some good shots, but I wish to offer a suggestion. I would either add a little to the ride recaps or pretty much get rid of them. "It was good" after every ride doesn't really explain much and I know you know more about this hobby in order to elaborate a bit.

 

"Fury was great, because it maintained its speed throughout the entire ride, it had quick transitions, and plenty of airtime. It was better or worse than ride X."

"Afterburn was great, because it was an old school B&M with plenty of forces. The Batwing under the bride was my favorite part, because of the strong positive G's."

 

I don't mean to be offensive at all and even if you changed nothing, I'd probably still watch your videos as you post them, because they're entertaining. I just figured I'd offer a suggestion to cater to us coaster geeks who have possibly never experienced some of the rides you're recorded. Since you and your buddies have been to so many parks, I'm more interested in your opinion of what makes the rides "good" or standout good or bad features of the rides. I don't think you have to elaborate too much, since you said you don't want to get too detailed. It can be just as quick as "It was fun," just maybe three to five seconds of a quick description. Or, maybe you're like me. Maybe you don't want to try too hard to figure out why you like a particular ride, and instead you'd rather just appreciate that you did in fact enjoy the ride.

 

Thanks for the video. I enjoy anything Fury 325 related.

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^This is very good advice.

 

The personal touch in trip reports, blogs, etc.. is what sets them apart. I like to get a feeling of who is talking and what their opinions are of rides I have ridden or rides I might get to ride

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That is some good advice. I feel like I am different than your usual "person who really enjoys riding roller coasters (and dark rides too)." I don't have anything like a top 10 list nor do I keep track of my coaster count. All I know is that I've ridden a lot of coasters and I have a lot of favorites. Personally, I don't like comparing things in general (this goes for much more than just coasters). I find many coasters to be very fun and I try to find the positives of each one, even if most people think a certain coaster is not fun. In my Carowinds vlog, for example, we rode Hurler. From what I've heard, many people think it's rough and don't like it. In my opinion, it wasn't like the "best experience I've ever had on any coaster" or anything but it certainly wasn't bad by any means. I did enjoy it.

 

When I say that I don't like comparing coasters, what I mean is that I know of people that will nitpick minor details. For example, the minor differences of Nitro at Six Flags Great Adventure and Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia. I don't feel the need to do that. Yes, they are both B&M hyper coasters but I think both coasters are fantastic in their own way. I don't find it necessary to critique them and have a battle to figure out which one is "better." That's also why I don't like making lists of my top favorites. It's just another way for people to argue with your list.

 

So what I'm trying to say is that when I do my video blogs, I try not to go into too much detail. I will admit that after I edited together my Carowinds video blog, I did realize that I said something along the lines of "it was good, not bad at all" after several different rides and I did annoy me but unfortunately there was nothing I could do at that point. As usual though, I am always open to suggestions on how to make my videos more enjoyable so I do appreciate constructive criticism. I'm happy that there are viewers who enjoy my vlogs because I really enjoy making them.

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In my Carowinds vlog, for example, we rode Hurler. From what I've heard, many people think it's rough and don't like it. In my opinion, it wasn't like the "best experience I've ever had on any coaster" or anything but it certainly wasn't bad by any means. I did enjoy it.

 

For the record I totally agree with you on Hurler at Carowinds. There's nothing wrong with it at all and it's actually a pretty fun little coaster. There are very few coasters I ride and don't enjoy. People are often way too critical.

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There are very few coasters I ride and don't enjoy. People are often way too critical.

 

I feel like the majority of people really disliked Mean Streak. Personally, I never found that coaster to be rough. I didn't think it had a very interesting layout but it was never rough in my opinion and quite fun still. I guess my opinions don't really matter at this point.

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I just did a survey from Carowinds. It looks like they are thinking about doing away with the season long drink bottles and replacing them with it being on your pass and when you want something to drink, you just go in and scan your pass and get a disposable cup each time. I guess this has it's pros and cons. Don't have to keep up with a cup all day but on the other hand it will create a lot more trash. I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I do kinda like the bottles, they make good souvenirs from year to year.

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I just did a survey from Carowinds. It looks like they are thinking about doing away with the season long drink bottles and replacing them with it being on your pass and when you want something to drink, you just go in and scan your pass and get a disposable cup each time. I guess this has it's pros and cons. Don't have to keep up with a cup all day but on the other hand it will create a lot more trash. I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I do kinda like the bottles, they make good souvenirs from year to year.

 

I feel the same way. I have a cabinet full of souvenir cups from various parks. Do I need another cup? Probably not. Will I buy one if it's available at the next Park I visit? Probably so. I think they should give you a choice when you buy your pass.

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I just did a survey from Carowinds. It looks like they are thinking about doing away with the season long drink bottles and replacing them with it being on your pass and when you want something to drink, you just go in and scan your pass and get a disposable cup each time. I guess this has it's pros and cons. Don't have to keep up with a cup all day but on the other hand it will create a lot more trash. I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I do kinda like the bottles, they make good souvenirs from year to year.

 

From a park employee standpoint, this is a good idea because it's less that they have to deal with when guests approach a ride that has a no loose article policy. From an economical standpoint, it might not be the best option since it will indeed create more trash with the disposable cups. From a guest standpoint, it can go either way - it creates less of a hassle to have to carry around the souvenir cup all day but then again, it's called a souvenir cup for a reason (I used to collect these cups year after year to have as a souvenir). So really, going away with the cups can be good or bad depending on how you look at it. I guess we'll have to wait and see, as others parks are also considering this.

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If parks are insistent on not allowing loose articles in line then selling sports bottles in the first place is a dumb idea. What do people spend most of their time doing at a Cedar Fair park anyway?

 

All the more reason that they have to buy lockers--which makes more money for Cedar Fair/the park. Give a guest a plastic bottle, they're gonna need a locker.

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Being a ride host, it is nice to work a ride (like Magnum now) that doesn't have bins. Since there are no guests wasting time going to the bin, they just sit right down once the gates open. It's a glorious thing! Working a ride like Raptor is a hassle when it comes to the bins because people seem to take their sweet ol' time. People complain about how lines are so long. Honestly, a big reason why is because of the bins.

 

My solution would be to get rid of all the bins in the park and do what Universal does - have free compartments to put your belongings. It would help it a few ways:

1. Lines would move faster because of no bins

2. Guests would be happy since the compartments are free

3. Happier operators because of the higher capacity

 

If only Cedar Fair would understand this.

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The rumor about Vortex being converted into a floorless coaster has came up on Screamscape again stating that 2017 will be the last season for Vortex being a stand up coaster. It will reopen in 2018 as a floorless with a new paint scheme and a new name.

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I'm assuming this will probably happen eventually but honestly I have no issues with the ride. The layout is also so boring that without the standup gimmick it seems kind of pointless.

 

Working a ride like Raptor is a hassle when it comes to the bins because people seem to take their sweet ol' time. People complain about how lines are so long. Honestly, a big reason why is because of the bins.

 

Raptor's bins are awful. Bins slow things down a little on every coaster but the log jam at the Raptor bins is ridiculous. If you sit in the front few rows it's almost impossible to put things in the bin and get back to your seat without chewing up at least 30 seconds, sometimes more.

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The layout is also so boring that without the standup gimmick it seems kind of pointless.

 

Totally true. To remove the stand-up aspect is to remove the best, most interesting part of the ride. Plus Vortex is pretty fine as it is. Compared to Iron Wolf, Vortex might as well have Georgia Scorcher. Barely any roughness at all.

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Raptor's bins are awful. Bins slow things down a little on every coaster but the log jam at the Raptor bins is ridiculous. If you sit in the front few rows it's almost impossible to put things in the bin and get back to your seat without chewing up at least 30 seconds, sometimes more.

 

Precisely. If CP did it right by allowing for a place to put your belongings for free before you get in line, I'd be all in for rides (especially Raptor) to go to a no loose article policy. That way, the line moves quicker and guests are happy that they didn't have to pay to place their loose articles somewhere.

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Vortex is a stupid coaster, no matter what they do it won't be good. However, it attracts a big line, more so than after burn or intimidator. The stand up gimmick still works. The flooreless gimmick may work too, but I doubt it would work better. I would be very surprised to see Carowinds convert it, the general crowd likes the ride as is just fine.

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Raptor's bins are awful. Bins slow things down a little on every coaster but the log jam at the Raptor bins is ridiculous. If you sit in the front few rows it's almost impossible to put things in the bin and get back to your seat without chewing up at least 30 seconds, sometimes more.

 

Precisely. If CP did it right by allowing for a place to put your belongings for free before you get in line, I'd be all in for rides (especially Raptor) to go to a no loose article policy. That way, the line moves quicker and guests are happy that they didn't have to pay to place their loose articles somewhere.

 

The only problem with that is when a ride has a line that's more than 10 minutes and it's a hot day, I'll want something to drink while I'm standing in line.

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Vortex is a stupid coaster, no matter what they do it won't be good. However, it attracts a big line, more so than after burn or intimidator. The stand up gimmick still works. The flooreless gimmick may work too, but I doubt it would work better. I would be very surprised to see Carowinds convert it, the general crowd likes the ride as is just fine.

Wouldn't that be because of the amount of time it takes to load a train? I'm not a Carowinds local and I've only been a handful of times.

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Wouldn't that be because of the amount of time it takes to load a train? I'm not a Carowinds local and I've only been a handful of times.

 

Capacity absolutely plays a major role in that. Location does also.

 

Assuming they do this, I'm surprised that they feel like it would be worth the investment but they have access to numbers from Cedar Point and will have access to numbers from CGA that we won't have, so clearly they know what they're doing. I'm still really surprised by it though. It makes perfect sense for the other coasters but this layout is just so boring without some kind of gimmick.

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