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What is interesting about this whole set up is that the city of green bay runs and owns the park so all improvements and funding comes from the city. So in this case it is the city who is excited about building it thrugh the system of beurocratic tape and convincing the general public that this is something worthwile. This is completely opposite of the whole idea that a company has to file permits and height variances. As far as ticked off neighbors i don't think that any of this would be a problem. The only houses near the area are ones that are right on the water but far away from all of the propsed additions. The area that they are looking to add to are the far opposite end of the park which currnetly are empty fields in the middle of an industrial area.


I recently read an article after the initial interview this year that apperently the city may be in talks to recieve the actual coaster for free, only paying the cost the move and bringing it back up to code. I am definatley looking forward to some more info!




Mayor Jim Schmitt, who attended the closed session, said after the meeting that there's a strong chance one of the owners would donate the ride to Green Bay. But he cautioned, "that isn't the big expense. It's the relocating, the engineering, the bringing it to code." Even a donated roller coaster could cost "more than hundreds of thousands of dollars," he said.
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Here's an interesting quote from Screamscape today. According to his sources, Bay Beach might be getting the Starliner from Cypress Gardens.

We’ve heard a few interesting rumors over the weekend about the possible fate of Legoland Florida’s two wooden coasters… the Triple Hurricane and the famous Starliner. Unfortunately what we’ve heard so far does not bode well for the Starliner. Despite Merlin officials staying that they had not yet made up their minds about the fate of the coaster, there is a popular rumor going around claiming that the coaster may very well have been sold to “a small family park in Wisconsin” who has been wanting to find a good family friendly woodie for some time now. One very possible park is Bay Beach who mentioned back in October that they were now looking to find a good deal on a family sized wooden coaster.
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Screamscape don't fail me now! As I said a few pages back I would love to get Starliner. It looks like a great family woody and it might be a little rough but here in Wisonsin were used to rough woddies and steelies. The only other small family park in Wisconsin is Little Amerricka wich recently got a family woodie, and is working on another project wich I dont know if I should say too much about, since there is no way of finding out about it besides contacting the park. I geuss Riverview could be a possibility but t since they've closed all their coasters they probably arent looking for a new one. Anyway Starliner would have a nice home in Wisconsin and since Bay Beach is city operated it should have a nice long run.

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Looks like there is a good chance it is NOT the starliner. Local news mentions that the Mayor of Green Bay called for a "stay" in demolition of the Zippin Pippin from the defunct Libertyvile in Memphis TN. Is not a for sure but it looks like "the king's favorite roller coaster" could be moved up to Packerland


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Crews began to dismantle the Zippin Pippin yesterday:





Crews began dismantling the Zippin Pippin roller coaster Thursday, four years after Libertyland was closed to clear the way for Mid-South Fairgrounds redevelopment.


Long known as Elvis Presley's favorite ride, the Zippin Pippin dated to 1912. Workers are taking the wooden roller coaster apart with care in hopes that parts can be preserved, said city Housing and Community Development director Robert Lipscomb.


It has been exposed to the elements with no maintenance since the amusement park closed in October 2005.


In November, crews tore out a piece to see if it was salvageable, and an expert estimated that it would cost the city millions of dollars to restore or rebuild the ride.


Last year, Carousels and Carvings of Marion, Ohio, dismantled the Grand Carousel at Libertyland and stored it in an undisclosed location in Memphis.


Since then, the city approved about $2million to demolish Libertyland and the fairgrounds site, and much of the area has been cleared.


"I've got a lot of calls about that and just about all of them are about how good it looks," said Lipscomb.


But fans of the Zippin Pippin were saddened to hear that it had reached the end of the track.


"I'm crying inside," said Denise Parkinson, co-founder of the grass-roots Save Libertyland group. "It's not OK to go ahead and tear everything down without a plan."


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A second link is included at the bottom of this post that includes a newsclip and article from a Green Bay TV station proclaiming that the mayor of Green Bay has asked the City of Memphis to withhold dismantling/destruction of the Zippin Pippin any further as the mayor wishes to inspect its' condition this weekend.


It is unclear how gentle the construction crews have been in the dismantling of Zippin Pippin to date.


A Wisconsin city is interested in acquiring the Zippin Pippin roller coaster for its historic amusement park.


The mayor of Green Bay has been talking to Memphis city administrators and Steve Mulroy, head of Save Libertyland Inc., about the possibility of getting the Zippin Pippin for the Bay Beach Amusement Park, which is slated for expansion.


Green Bay Mayor Jim Schmitt said he would be in Memphis on Sunday to inspect the vintage roller coaster.


"We have a very unique historic amusement park in Green Bay, which will be celebrating its 100th anniversary," Schmitt said Tuesday. "A wooden roller coaster that has a special history" would be a natural fit for the park, he added, which has 1 million visitors a year and still offers 25-cent rides.


"When we got word that the Zippin Pippin may be available, it seemed like this could be a great relationship between Memphis and Green Bay," Schmitt said. "John Miller designed it, it's got the history."


Known locally as Elvis Presley's favorite ride, the Zippin Pippin dates to 1912. Miller and Harry Baker of National Amusement Devices are credited with its creation.


Schmitt said he expected re-engineering of the Zippin Pippin to cost "well over $1 million."


Last week, crews began dismantling the roller coaster to clear the way for redevelopment at the Mid-South Fairgrounds, but that work has been halted temporarily while officials from the two cities talk, Schmitt said.


The ride has been exposed to the elements with no maintenance since Libertyland closed in October 2005.


In November, crews tore out a piece to see if the ride was salvageable, and an expert estimated that it would cost the city millions of dollars to restore or rebuild it.


"This could be a tremendous win-win for Memphis and Green Bay," said Memphis Chief Administrative Officer George Little. "Locally, it's been clear for some time that renovating and reconstituting the Zippin Pippin is simply beyond our capacity.


"Finding a new home for it clears the way for a new vision to unfold on the Mid-South Fairgrounds," he added. "If Green Bay decides that it fits with their strategic vision for their amusement park expansion, we're more than happy to discuss a scenario where they could take possession."


Mulroy, a Shelby County commissioner who incorporated Save Libertyland, the nonprofit group that has the title to the roller coaster, said that while he preferred keeping the Zippin Pippin in Memphis, the possible deal with Green Bay is better than seeing the ride destroyed.




Green Bay TV station newsclip and article


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The city is really pushing to get Zippin Pippin for Bay Beach and possibly a 2011 opening.


The mayor of Green Bay, Wis., says his city wants to buy the Zippin Pippin for its historic Bay Beach Amusement Park.


Mayor Jim Schmitt, in Memphis Monday to see the vintage wooden roller coaster at its Libertyland site, did not disclose a purchase price, but said that most of the money Green Bay pays would go to relocation of the roller coaster. Schmitt said last week that re-engineering the roller coaster in Green Bay would cost “well over $1 million.”


“We’re impressed,” Schmitt said after his early morning visit to the Zippin Pippin. “We’ve talked to our engineers, and this can happen.”


Also present for the on-site visit were Shelby County Commissioner Steve Mulroy, head of Save Libertyland Inc., which owns the roller coaster, and Green Bay Parks director Bill Landvatter.


“I’m going to recommend that we work diligently to acquire the Zippin Pippin to relocate it to Green Bay,” Schmitt said.


“If it can’t be in Memphis, I can think of no better home than Bay Beach and Green Bay,” Mulroy said.


Schmitt said he would begin negotiating with Save Libertyland Inc. and Mulroy in the hopes that the roller coaster would be operational in Green Bay in May 2011. He said preparatory construction work could begin as early as June or July.


“This is a wonderful opportunity for both of our great cities, and we are hopeful that it will lead to something of great mutual value and benefit for all of our citizens,” said Memphis Mayor A C Wharton, who met with Schmitt Monday morning.


Schmitt said the Zippin Pippin fits perfectly with his city’s historic amusement park, a “family-friendly” park which features 25-cent rides and is slated for expansion.


Known locally as Elvis Presley’s favorite ride, the Zippin Pippin dates to 1912. John Miller and Harry Baker of National Amusement Devices are credited with its creation.


“The history is very important to us,” said Schmitt.


The Zippin Pippin has been on a wild ride since Libertyland amusement park was closed by Mid-South Fair officials in late 2005.


The fair sold the Pippin at auction in June 2006 for $2,500 to Nashville-based music museum operators Stephen Shutts and Robert Reynolds. Four months later, they sold the coaster to Carolina Crossroads, a North Carolina entertainment attraction.


Days before the coaster was required to be removed, Carolina Crossroads donated it — minus the cars — to Save Libertyland.


Mulroy said Monday that he is in discussions with Carolina Crossroads about returning the Zippin Pippin’s cars.


Schmitt said that if he lands the Zippin Pippin, Memphians who make it to Green Bay will be able to ride the roller coaster free of charge.


“We are very sensitive to how Memphis feels about this,” he said.


Mike McCarthy, a filmmaker creating a documentary about the decline of Libertyland and the Zippin Pippin, and an officer with Save Libertyland, said he was happy that the roller coaster is getting a new home.


“It’s awesome,” said McCarthy. “Let it go to a city that respects history and culture.”



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More news today from the Green Bay Press Gazette today! Very interesting article. According to the article some members of The Gravity Group traveled with the Mayor down to Memphis. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100211/GPG0101/2110558/1978/Photos-Mayor-wants-roller-coaster-operating-at-Bay-Beach-by-2011


Bay Beach Amusement Park not only pays its own way but pours hundreds of thousands of dollars into the city coffers each year, making it one of the city's biggest money makers, city officials say. The park keeps no attendance figures, because the public can enter from any direction at all hours. However, the park sold nearly 4.1 million tickets last summer and 3.9 million the year before, indicating the park can thrive even during a recession, said Green Bay Mayor Jim Schmitt. The park brings in about $1.7 million a year. Last year, ride tickets accounted for $1,017,982. Concession sales earned another $648,430, and rental of the park earned $42,501.47. All of that for a $743,550 operating budget.


If Schmitt gets his way, a vintage roller coaster could be operating at Bay Beach by the start of the 2011 season. That roller coaster, Schmitt said, should be a wooden one called the Zippin Pippin. Schmitt and parks director Bill Landvatter went to Memphis, Tenn., this week to check out the Pippin. Also attending was an engineer from the Gravity Group, a Cincinnati company that specializes in wooden roller coaster design and construction. The trip cost city taxpayers $1,318. But Schmitt said seeing the ride firsthand would help him in eventual fundraising efforts.


The Pippin stands in the former Libertyland amusement park in Memphis. It has been out of service since 2005, when Libertyland closed for financial reasons. The roller coaster, originally built in 1915 and moved and reconstructed eight years later, is being dismantled and is reportedly in rough shape. However, it can be moved, re-engineered and rebuilt for about $3 million, which would be less expensive than the projected cost of $5 million to build a new one, Schmitt said. Anywhere from about 50 percent to 90 percent of the roller coaster likely would have to be new material, Landvatter said. The city would acquire the design, salvageable parts and the historical value of a ride that's been around nearly 100 years, Schmitt said. Elvis Presley reportedly rode on the coaster eight days before he died in 1977.


The City Council has given at least preliminary approval to the concept of acquiring a vintage wooden roller coaster that would fit in with other vintage rides at Bay Beach park. Schmitt said he's confident the Parks Committee will approve the purchase in coming weeks and that the City Council will endorse the deal March 6. If the cost of purchase, moving and rebuilding to current state code comes in around $3 million as predicted, Schmitt said he would advocate borrowing $2.4 million and raising the rest through local donations. With the interest rate on the loan, the city's annual payout would be about $265,000 over 10 years, Schmitt said. The park's own budget would pay for that, maintenance and operational costs of the roller coaster, and then, when the coaster is clear of the debt, it would add to money that the park already makes for the city, Landvatter said.


The park's Yo-Yo ride, purchased and installed for $325,000 in 1996, has generated $1 million in revenue since then, Landvatter said. "The break-even point was about four years," he said. "After that, it produced more revenue than expenses, and that's what would happen with the roller coaster." The roller coaster would be one of the park's major attractions, he predicted. While some of the park's 17 rides cost 25 cents per person and others are 50 cents, the park likely would charge $1 a ride for the coaster, but it still likely would attract at least 200,000 riders a season, he said. In the first few years of operation, ridership could be up around 250,000, he said. It likely would attract new visitors to the park, thereby increasing revenue from the other rides, as well as from concession sales, he said.


The park has been successful without a roller coaster since 1936, when it last had one, but new attractions are good for "keeping things fresh," Landvatter said. Many of the park's rides are geared toward younger children, so the roller coaster would add an attraction for teens and adults, he said.


ADMIN EDIT: I went ahead and quoted the story so people don't have to visit the link externally.

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The Zippin Pippin has taken its last ride in Memphis, partially collapsing Thursday before being dismantled for sale to Green Bay, Wis. "A section had fallen down, and they decided to lay down the rest of the Pippin," said Shelby County Commissioner Steve Mulroy, president of Save Libertyland! Inc., the nonprofit group negotiating the sale of the century-old roller coaster to Green Bay. Mulroy said that while Green Bay is buying the rights to all the Zippin Pippin's material, most of the wood, which has been exposed to the elements since the Libertyland amusement park closed in 2005, could not be used. Green Bay is acquiring the name, design and configuration of the roller coaster, Mulroy said. "They'll be able to say the only Zippin Pippin in the world is in Green Bay," he said. "Some of the wood is salvageable. Some of it isn't. They're still trying to figure that out. Frankly, Green Bay may only use a small portion of that wood."


During an afternoon news conference at attorney Leslie Ballin's office Thursday, Mulroy said the sale of the vintage ride is proceeding. The mayor of the Wisconsin city will take the proposed purchase to his parks committee next week, with full city council approval likely in March, Mulroy said. "They want to get this deal finalized in 60 days," he said.


Meanwhile, Ballin, who said he has been doing pro bono legal work for Save Libertyland for several months, admitted there was a "difference of opinion" with the city of Memphis over who owns the Zippin Pippin right now. Save Libertyland claims it is the current owner, but the city -- which supports the group's efforts to sell the roller coaster to Green Bay -- says it owns the Zippin Pippin until it is taken apart and stored. Mulroy said a dispute over how he came to be in control of Save Libertyland was a meaningless side issue. "The important thing is what is going to happen with the Pippin," he said.


Denise Parkinson, who formed Save Libertyland in 2005 with Mulroy and other concerned citizens, claims Mulroy, whose high-profile work with the group helped him land his District 5 County Commission seat in 2006, dropped her from the group and put himself in control of the organization when filing paperwork with the state. If the sale to Green Bay is completed, Save Libertyland would receive a "five figure" amount for the Zippin Pippin. Nonprofit groups like Save Libertyland can pay officers like Mulroy a salary, but the county commissioner said he won't take any payments. He said he would like to use the funds to commemorate the historic nature of the Zippin Pippin and Libertyland.


Mulroy is up for re-election to his commission seat. The county primary is May 4 and the general election is Aug. 5. "I hope it is clear that there is no ulterior political nor financial motive on the part of Commissioner Mulroy, as his past four years work have simply been for the good of Memphis," Ballin said in a statement.


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^ Well if they can't find the plans then the mayor of Green Bay could buy himself a very nice pile of garbage and with that guy's gas can have a really amazing bonfire!


Wouldn't it just be easier (and probably cheaper) to have a new wooden roller coaster built and create your own legacy around that ride instead of buying someone else's?

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^ Wouldn't it just be easier (and probably cheaper) to have a new wooden roller coaster built and create your own legacy around that ride instead of buying someone else's?



Well when you take a step back and take a look at the costs It does kinda make sense to take the plans from an existing rollercoaster and rebuild it in this way. I would believe that buying the blueprints and technical layout plans that are exististing already would be far cheaper that paying a company to design and engineer a new plan from square one. Plus if they can salvage some of the hardwear such as lifthill motor/chain, cars, and possibly some of the safety mechanisms this would shave off a big part of the price. Living not much more then 2 miles from this tiny park I would have to agree that an old school coaster would be way cooler here then a custom created coaster with plan designs ala 2010. I like the feel of this place. It is old school. It is seriosly like a regular park that happens to have some amusment rides and always has. One of my fiance's favorite things to do is get a pizza from Little Ceasers and take it out there just to eat and walk around. ( we throw the last piece in its full form to a group of seagulls and watch them fight over it. It is extremly funny to watch one try to fly away with a whole piece that is too heavy for them to get off the ground!)

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^ Well if they can't find the plans then the mayor of Green Bay could buy himself a very nice pile of garbage and with that guy's gas can have a really amazing bonfire!


Wouldn't it just be easier (and probably cheaper) to have a new wooden roller coaster built and create your own legacy around that ride instead of buying someone else's?


I think since this park is a historical park they are looking for a historical coaster. At least that's what I see.


Zippin Pippin was a great coaster and while I would have loved for it to stay in Memphis I just want it to reopen. I'll make the trip to Green Bay to ride it. Hopefully the guys at Beach Bay can reuse some parts of it so it retains some history.

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A proposal to build a roller coaster at Bay Beach Amusement Park in Green Bay got out of the starting gate Monday, but there were signs of possible political turbulence ahead.


One alderman is calling on Mayor Jim Schmitt to reimburse taxpayers for the cost of traveling to Memphis, Tenn., to check out a coaster associated with Elvis Presley. Another alderman wants to mandate that all future improvements to city-owned Bay Beach be funded strictly through private donations.


Schmitt said Monday he is confident that the roller-coaster development has strong support in the community and that it would be a worthwhile addition to the city's waterfront entertainment complex. "This is the right thing to do," he said.


Members of the council's Park Committee agreed Monday, voting 4-0 to endorse the mayor's plan to purchase the Zippin Pippin coaster from Memphis.


Committee Chairman Jerry Wiezbiskie said the ride could become a major attraction for Green Bay. The purchase "sounds like a no-brainer," Wiezbiskie said.


The full City Council is scheduled to consider the matter March 2.


Members of the council's Finance Committee today will hear Alderman Thomas De Wane's request for the mayor to reimburse the city for the Memphis trip. The trip cost $1,318, although that included travel expenses for city parks director Bill Landvatter, who accompanied the mayor. De Wane said that while it was appropriate for Landvatter and other professional staff to go examine the coaster, he believes Schmitt had no business making the trip. De Wane said he suspects the mayor got involved because of a personal fascination with the coaster's connection to Elvis Presley. "He just went overboard," De Wane said.


The Zippin Pippin has been billed as Presley's favorite roller coaster. The music legend reportedly rode it just days before he died in 1977. The coaster has been out of commission since the Memphis amusement park closed in 2005.


Green Bay officials hope to debut the coaster here in May 2011.


Schmitt said he made the trip to help persuade Memphis Mayor A.C. Wharton Jr. to sell the coaster to Green Bay. He also said the business deal is too significant for him to pursue without getting a first-hand look at the ride. He dismissed De Wane's reimbursement request as politics. "I'm embarrassed for Tom De Wane that he would bring it up," the mayor said.


Alderman. John Vander Leest, meanwhile, has submitted a proposal to require private funding for all future Bay Beach improvements. That proposal also is scheduled for discussion today by the Finance Committee.


City officials estimate that it would cost $3 million to acquire the Zippin Pippin rights and to re-create the coaster here, using largely new materials. Schmitt plans to raise $600,000 in private donations and finance the rest through a municipal bond issue. The mayor said revenue from the ride would be enough to pay off the bond issue in about 10 years. "There's no risk to the taxpayers," he said. In comparison, officials calculate that it would cost $5 million to build a new coaster from scratch.


Landvatter provided Park Committee members Monday with data showing that Bay Beach's existing attractions generated $1.6 million in revenue last year compared with $807,425 in expenses.


The parks director said Bay Beach is a successful enterprise and would become even more so with the Zippin Pippin. "It would be fabulous if we could do this," he said. "It's a pretty unique opportunity."

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I'm extremely happy that this is going through so well. I'm amazed at how much all the city officials are behind it and how much they want us to the get the Zippin Pippin. Even though most of the ride will be new material using whatever they can of the ZP will save them two million dollars wich is a fair amount of money. Something thats been totally over looked is the new rides the park is supposed to get. Any word on what those may be?

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Looks like we'll know very soon if we're getting the coaster or not!


Operators of a small amusement park known for its vintage carnival rides decided to erect a large wooden roller coaster with the hope of drawing bigger crowds.


The year was 1995, and the park was Holiday World in a remote corner of southern Indiana, not far from Kentucky.


Amusement park industry watchers point to Holiday World as an example of what Green Bay could expect with its planned acquisition of the Zippin Pippin roller coaster.


Buoyed by a loyal following of coaster fans worldwide, the little Indiana park has experienced a dramatic rise in attendance, to more than 1 million people a year. The business also has benefited from a water park addition.


"It's amazing," park spokeswoman Paula Werne said. "They keep coming year after year."


Roller coaster fan groups say the same could happen to Green Bay after the proposed $3 million addition of the Zippin Pippin to Bay Beach Amusement Park.


Green Bay City Council members are scheduled tonight to decide whether to purchase the roller coaster from Memphis, Tenn., where it was known as Elvis Presley's favorite amusement park ride.


Two organizations have taken an interest in the deal: American Coaster Enthusiasts and the National Amusement Park Historical Association.


Both groups predict that Bay Beach Amusement Park could be on the verge of becoming a major destination among coaster fans nationwide and beyond.


"Certainly it would be on the map of the roller coaster world," said John Gerard of the American Coaster Enthusiasts.


Gregory Van Gompel of the historical association said Green Bay would join Chicago, Minneapolis and the Wisconsin Dells among Midwest destinations for amusement park fans.


"They're looking for a compelling reason to get to a park," Van Gompel said. "A wooden roller coaster would provide that."


Green Bay officials have projected that the Zippin Pippin would draw 200,000 visitors a year.



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It's official, although it looks like it will be a recreation and not a relocation:


By a vote of 7-4, the Green Bay City Council on Tuesday night gave the green light to building a wooden roller-coaster at Bay Beach -- specifically, the design of the Memphis Zippin Pippin.


The vote means the city can move forward to buy the design of the Zippin Pippin which used to run at the now-defunct Libertyland amusement park in Tennessee. It was reportedly Elvis Presley's favorite ride.


The estimated $3 million project also includes the naming rights and some artifacts as well as building the coaster new in Green Bay. The city estimates $600,000 would come from fund-raising and $2.4 million from a revenue bond.


That bond, the city believes, will repay itself from ridership within ten years, and then the roller-coaster will start making money for the city.


Bay Beach is the city's only profitable park. In 2009, revenue from the amusement park reached nearly $814,000.


Council members debated the issue, asking questions from the city's park director as well as a roller-coaster consultant the city is working with.


"If it is going to bring revenue to the park, we want to make sure we understand all the different costs. I think we need more background on some of the details related to the operations, insurance, maintenance," Alderman John VanderLeest said.


"It, in fact, is definitely a no-brainer. Three-million dollars cost from start to finish as well as maintenance will be paid for by its own ride sales. Self-sufficient, private donations, and not a dollar from the taxpayers," Alderman Jerry Wiezbiskie said.


The city will now finalize buying the naming rights and design from the former park in Memphis.


Construction on the new coaster could begin this summer, and the city hopes to have the ride open at Bay Beach in May, 2011.





From RCDB;


Roller Coaster: Zippin Pippin

Amusement Park: Bay Beach Amusement Park (Green Bay, Wisconsin, USA)

Classification: Roller Coaster

Type: Wood - Sit Down

Status: Under Construction opening 2011

Designer: John A. Miller


Length: 2865'

Height: 70'

Drop: 70'

Inversions: 0

Speed: 40 mph

Duration: 1:30



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On a serious note, Bay Beach hasn't had a roller coaster since 1936 so I'm very happy that they're getting one. The Zippin Pippin looks like a great family coaster and I can't wait for it's 2011 opening. I'm surprised that the parks website doesnt say anything about getting the Zippin Pippin.

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