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^ Well, if this causes them to extend the borders of New Orleans Square...

...won't be very much of a "square" anymore. And good old Critter Country

will be "downsized" a bit. (I do realize that Haunted Mansion already changed that.)

 

Or, they'll leave it all as is, and this will be a 'bridge' of sorts, between the two lands.

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Cool, I'll fire it up and not open it for the first 4 hours of the day for realism purposes...

I’m so glad I don’t live in California...

I also just want to put it out there that, at the moment, California's death rate due to COVID is .043% of the population.  That's right, the state is making absolutely ridiculous decisions based on p

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oh I'm excited ! I love the "look" of the movie, I'm hoping the creative team gets the budget to really capture the animation and mannerisms of all the characters. I wonder if they will use some of the "2d" ideas from Mickey and Minnie's railway.

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I can’t say I’m not disappointed that they’re completely retheming it. I like The Princess and the Frog, but I absolutely love the atmosphere and music for Splash Mountain.

That being said, the new theme will fit perfectly in both New Orleans Square AND Critter Country.

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It’s a win win for Disney. Cheaper to overlay a ride instead of whatever new projects are on the books and ends the “social” controversy as well.

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Even outside of the timely racial sensitivities, this is obviously a good branding move for the park. However, I'm sort of against the change as I suspect that placing a Princess and the Frog overlay on Splash Mountain is going to result in a worse ride.

 

Part of it is the theme. In order to better align with the princess branding, the designers are probably going to want this ride to be as toothless and as non-threatening as possible. And given that this is one of Disney's thrill rides, I worry that the ride is going to end up feeling conflicted and weird.

 

The other part of this is also purely speculative, but I wonder if Splash Mountain is an absolute bear to maintain with the ridiculous number of animatronics in splashy water proximity. I am worried that they are going to remove most of the animatronics as a matter of practicality and use mostly screens with only a smattering of new animatronics, which I personally wouldn't find as interesting as the overabundance of animatronics that the ride currently has.

 

Anyhow, those are my dumb thoughts on this.

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I do have faith that the Imagineers will deliver...eventually. Watch the excellent TPR POV of MMRR to see what they can do with constraints. No doubt the budget will be lower now, and it will take a while,

 

Don't worry about the ride having an edge...if there's one thing Disney rarely avoids, it's an edge.

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I'm not feeling too good about the area right around Disneyland right now, but hopefully the mouse company can scare anyone into wearing the mask who even thinks they're want to go to Disneyland.

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^^^ They may re-purpose a few (or several) of the

existing animatronics for the Splash Mountain re-do, y'know?

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It's sounding like we have two casualties of the pandemic at DLR.  Frozen Live and Mickey & The Magical Map are both dead for now according to some friends I have in the theatre world.  In my opinion neither were very good but they were HUUUUUGE people-eaters for large chunks of the day.  This will definitely have an impact on lines when the resort finally reopens.

Here's hoping they take this opportunity to eviscerate everything from Frozen Live and install a short-form Newsies or Mary Poppins show. Frozen Live is horrible.

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Magical Map was a heaping pile. Frozen was a really great show, it was just too much for a theme park audience.

 

Also, guideline for So Cal will likely be released tomorrow, but could omit some large parks...Like Disney.  

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With today's guidelines the park will never reopen.  To get the positive test % low enough for the yellow tier will always find more asymptomatic cases than the yellow tier permits in a county with 3.3 million people.

Virus strains circulate for years in spite of our vaccine efforts; we have never tested for them among the asymptomatic.

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To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if Orange County tries to cook the books so to speak and change the disney occupancies to get under the 15k threshold.

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Taking quotes from another thread; these are the guidelines set, and where the counties are at:

1 hour ago, SoCalJasonland said:

California amusement park guidelines are out.  The document is easier to read and more detailed than my summary:

https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-amusement-theme-parks--en.pdf

Widespread (purple):

Closed

 

Substantial (red): 

Closed

 

Moderate (orange):

Smaller parks can open with modifications

Capacity must be limited to 25% or 500 people, whichever is less

Outdoor attractions only can open

Reservations required

Local attendees only (from the same county as the park’s location)

 

Minimal (yellow):

Larger parks can open with modifications

Park capacity must be limited to 25%

Reservations required

 

1 hour ago, SoCalJasonland said:

Here is what is required and where all of the So Cal counties with amusement parks stand as of October 20, 2020 stats

 

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I feel like doing that would make everything worse. They are going to get caught if they get audited. I can totally see a wave a lawsuits headed to the state though. These new rules are completely devoid of science. 

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Disneyland Resort has sent us a collection of statements in response to the State of California's newly-released guidelines limiting park operations and capacity.

 

STATEMENT FROM KEN POTROCK, PRESIDENT, DISNEYLAND RESORT 

We have proven that we can responsibly reopen, with science-based health and safety protocols strictly enforced at our theme park properties around the world. Nevertheless, the State of California continues to ignore this fact, instead mandating arbitrary guidelines that it knows are unworkable and that hold us to a standard vastly different from other reopened businesses and state-operated facilities. Together with our labor unions we want to get people back to work, but these State guidelines will keep us shuttered for the foreseeable future, forcing thousands more people out of work, leading to the inevitable closure of small family-owned businesses, and irreparably devastating the Anaheim/Southern California community.

 

QUOTES FROM DR. CLAYTON CHAU, DIRECTOR, ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH CARE AGENCY

“I think for a large county like us, especially a county with institution of higher education where folks [are] coming in from outside the county and outside the state, I think it’s going to be very hard to achieve the yellow tier.”

“It depends on when the vaccine will come as well as how many doses [are] available for our populations as well as how many of our residents will readily accept the vaccine – those are the three factors that will determine how soon we can get to the yellow tier.”

“Personally, I think that we can look forward to a yellow tier by next summer, hopefully. Hopefully.” 

 

Erin Guerrero, Executive Director, California Attractions and Parks Association

“To say today’s announcement on theme parks is disappointing would be a grave understatement. The Governor has not used science or data to inform his decision. Theme parks have opened and operated safely around the world for months. Data and science prove that theme parks can operate responsibly anywhere – there is no rational reason to believe they can’t do so in California. No one cares more about park employee and guest safety than the parks themselves.

“Let me be unequivocal– the guidance issued by the Newsom Administration will keep theme parks shuttered for the foreseeable future. By forcing amusement parks to stay closed until their home county reaches Tier 4, the Governor has issued a “Keep Theme Parks Closed Indefinitely” Plan which will devastate California’s major theme park industry.

“This plan prolongs unemployment for tens of thousands of people, hastens bankruptcy for families and small business owners adjacent to parks, and contributes to insolvency for local governments whose budgets rely on parks as an anchor economic driver.

“While we appreciate the more nuanced approach in the guidance for smaller theme parks, keeping California’s larger parks closed is unfair and unreasonable. Based on the responsible reopening of parks in other countries and states, science and data do not support the indefinite closure of this iconic industry in California.

“Responsibly reopening amusement parks on a reasonable timeline can and should be done while we fight this pandemic – the two are not mutually exclusive. California’s theme parks and their phenomenal workforce are ready to reopen responsibly. Parks’ loyal guests are ready and the communities and local governments surrounding the parks are ready. We urge Governor Newsom to revise this guidance to allow for a reasonable and responsible reopening of California’s signature theme park industry in Tier 3.”

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I don't think that California is ever going to get down to yellow to reopen amusement parks / theme parks. In my county, people seem to be taking the lockdown / covid guidelines seriously and we haven't been able to move past the red tier.

 

So I guess no Disneyland until the vaccine is fully distributed.

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I also just want to put it out there that, at the moment, California's death rate due to COVID is .043% of the population.  That's right, the state is making absolutely ridiculous decisions based on point ZERO four three percent.

At this point, you still have a much much HIGHER chance of getting into TWO car accidents on the way to Disneyland than you do dying from COVID because you went to Disneyland.

It makes no sense at all.

And just to be clear, I am **NOT** one of those batshit crazy "Anti-Mask" "Plandemic" people.  But I 100% appreciate the businesses that have opened, and I follow the rules, wear my mask everywhere I go, and I keep my distance from people.  (I mean, i can't stand people anyway so why would i want to be anywhere near them???). I don't understand why this is so damn difficult for many people.  Actually, I do know the answer, 51% of Americans are stupid.  And that is just the sad reality of where we are at.

Also, have you seen this?  It's perfect!

 

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11 minutes ago, CenturyFlyer said:

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Not one state is currently in the "Yellow Tier."

And yet, all over the country.... the WORLD even... I keep seeing stories like this one pop up saying that not a single COVID case has been linked to going to at theme park. It just makes zero sense...

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/09/14/largest-u-s-theme-parks-report-no-covid-19-outbreaks-since-reopening/

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41 minutes ago, CenturyFlyer said:

 

Not one state is currently in the "Yellow Tier."

This isn't quite accurate.... pretty much everything here in Kentucky is open.... bars and restaurants are running at reduced capacity, some movie theaters are open, KK was open for awhile.

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3 minutes ago, mikeykaise said:

This isn't quite accurate.... pretty much everything here in Kentucky is open.... bars and restaurants are running at reduced capacity, some movie theaters are open, KK was open for awhile.

The point was that under Newsome's guidelines, that's how every state would qualify - not saying what each state is actually doing.

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