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Uh oh.. here comes the local bitching. I look at this as a positive. DLR is finally becoming the tourist destination that they had hoped for it to be 12 years ago when it expanded, and less of a local hot spot. I hope that it discourages the locals from going more and we get the better variety of people who appreciate what they get to experience at the parks, like what is more of the case at WDW.

 

It's really weird to see the sudden 180 DCA has made. I assumed the relaunch would be successful and the park would begin to gain popularity, but the fact that it was SO big so quickly and has maintained it is awesome! Interesting to see what comes in the near future.

 

^ Bad news for cheap bastards. GREAT news for the park!

 

And I like how the Californians are once again trying to brag and use this as a way to say that Florida locals need discounts? WTF? They've been doing the Florida resident discount FOREVER mainly because Walt Disney World doesn't have a "locals market" like California does. It's something like less than 10% of Walt Disney World's attendance is from Florida. It's kinda nice, to be honest, not having a bunch of locals at the parks!

 

It's their way of coping with the size of their Disney resort. If WDW was tiny and didn't have so much to do, they would probably not have to discount either. Some Californians just have to compensate for what they are lacking by putting down the financial success of WDW.

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DLR is finally becoming the tourist destination that they had hoped for it to be 12 years ago when it expanded, and less of a local hot spot.

That's the thing, it's not. It just means that the locals are now embracing DCA as a "real" park instead of the joke that it has been for many years. Disneyland Resort still sees about 80% of it's guests from California, Nevada, and Arizona.

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DLR is finally becoming the tourist destination that they had hoped for it to be 12 years ago when it expanded, and less of a local hot spot.

That's the thing, it's not. It just means that the locals are now embracing DCA as a "real" park instead of the joke that it has been for many years. Disneyland Resort still sees about 80% of it's guests from California, Nevada, and Arizona.

 

That really classifies it more as a strong regional tourist destination, especially when you consider the size of the states mentioned. (California itself is huge) It's by no means solely a local's park if they're drawing guests from other states.

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I've seen World of Colour once, and if I need to see it again, I can watch Disney movie trailers on my iPod while in the shower.

 

This is so awesome.

 

dt

 

Well, whether one likes it or not, it still won the THEA Award for Nighttime Shows in 2011, which is the highest honor for the themed entertainment industry.

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I've seen World of Colour once, and if I need to see it again, I can watch Disney movie trailers on my iPod while in the shower.

 

This is so awesome.

 

dt

 

Well, whether one likes it or not, it still won the THEA Award for Nighttime Shows in 2011, which is the highest honor for the themed entertainment industry.

 

Without using Google, name one other nighttime show that debuted in 2011.

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DLR is finally becoming the tourist destination that they had hoped for it to be 12 years ago when it expanded, and less of a local hot spot.

That's the thing, it's not. It just means that the locals are now embracing DCA as a "real" park instead of the joke that it has been for many years. Disneyland Resort still sees about 80% of it's guests from California, Nevada, and Arizona.

 

That really classifies it more as a strong regional tourist destination, especially when you consider the size of the states mentioned. (California itself is huge) It's by no means solely a local's park if they're drawing guests from other states.

Sorry that you're being a Californian and are taking what I already said, trying to disprove me, and then creating your own point, which is actually the same as the point I made, but you're somehow trying to make it look like you're better and smarter than me. I realize that because you're Californian, you don't see that you're doing this, which is why I'm pointing it out to you.

 

Your "local" area are those destinations that are easily and cheaply traveled for people to make multiple visits each year. Las Vegas or Pheonix is to Anaheim as Miami or Atlanta is to Orlando. Even though those places are a few hours drive, they are still considered "locals", because the are close enough to visit many times per year.

 

As for Vegas and Phoenix, for example, I'm willing to bet that there is a pretty large population of people in those areas who are annual passholders, and come out 4-6 times per year. Those people are your "regulars", regardless if their drive is 45 minutes or 4 hours. There are probably people who live in Vegas that visit Disneyland more often than some people who live in Anaheim.

 

Your "tourists" are people who are planning a "once in a lifetime" vacation (or once in many years), and those people are NOT your "locals."

 

Disneyland Resort's audience hasn't changed. I worked there in 1987 and if I asked 100 people that came through my location every day, I'd meet 80 people who were between a 15 minute and 6 hour drive, and the others were from a variety of different places. That holds true today, except that now you have people who will now spend more time at DCA than they did five years ago, or more people willing to spend an extra day at a resort hotel.

 

You also have to realize that most people don't travel to California "just for Disneyland", the majority of "tourists" who visit Disneyland are on a trip to "California" and the Disneyland Resort is one of many stops. Again, the difference is that most people who are visiting Orlando, are there specifically because of the theme parks, will spend a week to ten days doing nothing but theme parks, and it's one of the top reasons why there is tourism in Florida.

 

So yes, Disneyland is a regional tourist destination, aka your "locals". And your core "region" is California, Nevada, and Arizona, just like I originally said, and while it's not "solely" a locals park, it's pretty much a locals park. Deal with it.

 

--Robb "Not sure what point you were trying to make, but I guess I'm glad you're sort of agreeing with me?" Alvey #confused

 

Without using Google, name one other nighttime show that debuted in 2011.

ZING!!!!

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^^I no way was I trying to put myself above you, I was just making my own points. With the WOC point I was trying to say that while one may not enjoy nighttime shows, one can still appreciate the quality and design that went into it.

 

Plus, World of Color debuted in the summer of 2010, hence why it took an award at the 2011 THEAs (Which take place in the Spring).

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I no way was I trying to put myself above you, I was just making my own points.

Except that you weren't. You were making the same points as me, but doing it in such a way to make mine appear less relevant than yours. I understand you don't realize you are doing this, which is why I'm pointing it out to you.

 

With the WOC point I was trying to say that while one may not enjoy nighttime shows, one can still appreciate the quality and design that went into it. .

I thought the show was awful and the technology was dated and boring. Take the Fantasmic water screens from 1991 and combine them with water fountains... WATER FOUNTAINS that have been around forever. Show some movie trailers on the screens for way longer than they should be and BAM!, World of Color! Hooray!

 

Yes, DisneySea's Fantasmic was a million times better because it had a GIANT VOLCANO in it! Hell, Magic Kingdom's "castle projection show" is a more impressive show both in technology and show quality, and it's not even a mainstream show at the park! It's a "filler" show in between the MSEP and Wishes! And should I even mention Disneyland Paris' Disney Dreams show? Holy crap! And what's funny is they use the WoC tech as the pre-cursor to the real show! lol

 

If you're trying to convince me that WoC deserves some recognition because it got a Thea award, then you're preaching to the wrong person.

 

I saw both World of Color and Light Magic once each. They are about on par with each other.

 

--Robb "Discussing World of Colour is sooooo 2010...." Alvey

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Agree to disagree then?

What a Californian thing to say.

 

No, I'm not "agreeing" with you at all. I thought the show sucked. You like it? You watch it! Don't try to convince me it's great because it won an award.

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I've seen World of Colour once, and if I need to see it again, I can watch Disney movie trailers on my iPod while in the shower.

 

This is so awesome.

 

dt

 

Well, whether one likes it or not, it still won the THEA Award for Nighttime Shows in 2011, which is the highest honor for the themed entertainment industry.

 

This isn't actually all that impressive, since nighttime shows at any other place besides a Disney park are usually pretty similar to a guy waiving a laser pointer in the air for a bit and then shooting off fireworks from the back of his pickup, while blasting Bon Jovi from his 8 Track player. Not really hard to win an award when faced with that sort of competition...

 

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Well, whether one likes it or not, it still won the THEA Award for Nighttime Shows in 2011, which is the highest honor for the themed entertainment industry.

 

Pretty much every new theme park show/attraction will get some sort of TEA award, since TEA is made up of people who worked on those projects and want recognition.

 

As for world of color? It's technically impressive, but mostly Disney trailers with fountains. The only good parts are where they try something different with lazers and fire (Buzz Lightyear & Pirates segments).

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DLR is finally becoming the tourist destination that they had hoped for it to be 12 years ago when it expanded, and less of a local hot spot.

That's the thing, it's not. It just means that the locals are now embracing DCA as a "real" park instead of the joke that it has been for many years. Disneyland Resort still sees about 80% of it's guests from California, Nevada, and Arizona.

 

That really classifies it more as a strong regional tourist destination, especially when you consider the size of the states mentioned. (California itself is huge) It's by no means solely a local's park if they're drawing guests from other states.

Sorry that you're being a Californian and are taking what I already said, trying to disprove me, and then creating your own point, which is actually the same as the point I made, but you're somehow trying to make it look like you're better and smarter than me. I realize that because you're Californian, you don't see that you're doing this, which is why I'm pointing it out to you.

 

Your "local" area are those destinations that are easily and cheaply traveled for people to make multiple visits each year. Las Vegas or Pheonix is to Anaheim as Miami or Atlanta is to Orlando. Even though those places are a few hours drive, they are still considered "locals", because the are close enough to visit many times per year.

 

As for Vegas and Phoenix, for example, I'm willing to bet that there is a pretty large population of people in those areas who are annual passholders, and come out 4-6 times per year. Those people are your "regulars", regardless if their drive is 45 minutes or 4 hours. There are probably people who live in Vegas that visit Disneyland more often than some people who live in Anaheim.

 

Your "tourists" are people who are planning a "once in a lifetime" vacation (or once in many years), and those people are NOT your "locals."

 

Disneyland Resort's audience hasn't changed. I worked there in 1987 and if I asked 100 people that came through my location every day, I'd meet 80 people who were between a 15 minute and 6 hour drive, and the others were from a variety of different places. That holds true today, except that now you have people who will now spend more time at DCA than they did five years ago, or more people willing to spend an extra day at a resort hotel.

 

You also have to realize that most people don't travel to California "just for Disneyland", the majority of "tourists" who visit Disneyland are on a trip to "California" and the Disneyland Resort is one of many stops. Again, the difference is that most people who are visiting Orlando, are there specifically because of the theme parks, will spend a week to ten days doing nothing but theme parks, and it's one of the top reasons why there is tourism in Florida.

 

So yes, Disneyland is a regional tourist destination, aka your "locals". And your core "region" is California, Nevada, and Arizona, just like I originally said, and while it's not "solely" a locals park, it's pretty much a locals park. Deal with it.

 

--Robb "Not sure what point you were trying to make, but I guess I'm glad you're sort of agreeing with me?" Alvey #confused

 

Without using Google, name one other nighttime show that debuted in 2011.

ZING!!!!

 

Just to build on what you've already said, working at the hotel, I met A LOT of people who were coming in from San Francisco (still California yes, but 6 hours away, would often make several trips through out the year), Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Hawaii. This is just the higher end spectrum of the market as well who have $400+ to spend each night of their stay, you aren't accounting for anyone else staying at the cheaper hotels off of Katella and Harbor.

 

In general, Disneyland appeals to the Western states as well as the international countries in the Pacific like Japan, China, Korea, Australia. Obviously you go to Florida, you will find a far more abundant amount of English at WDW.

 

You are right, majority of European tourists and Australians I encountered were usually doing a massive North American tour. Usually they'd spend some time in Canada, at some point make it to Las Vegas. It was common enough for them to start their vacation in New York then fly to Atlanta or some where in Florida, eventually finding their way onto the west coast.

 

With that said, for every out-of-towner (non local) I met, there was at least one nearby person from Burbank/LA, San Diego, or Orange County. Also, if you were coming to California SOLEY for Disney, you're wrong. There's so much to do outside of Disney that it would be a sin to come strictly for Disney and nothing else. With that said, I have also met plenty of people who have spent 10 days at the theme park and done nothing else.

 

So that's my experience with demographics. Some how this all fits into WOC, so i figure I'll pipe in on that. I think majority of WoC's problem is it's far to long and it shows FAR to many clips of movies. I like your analogy of watching Disney movies on your ipod in the shower. Its perfect. If they just stuck to the show tunes, or maybe.... actually cared to have an overall encompassing story that ties everything together (and shorter length) the show could be good. For now though, I generally skip it.

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We watched it twice from the GC deck, where you can't see the videos, but can hear it and see the fountains and fire. I really can't see how the videos add THAT much. All teh hype I had heard for WOC made me sad when we chose to skip DCA because it was raining heavily, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't just sour grapes that WOC simply is not Fantasmic 2.0. I was shocked that there was no pyrotehnics, just some fire. That really took a lot away from it, imho.

 

Not to mention that you basically have to stand in place for 2 hours if you want to see the show. WTF!!!

 

-R

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In general, Disneyland appeals to the Western states as well as the international countries in the Pacific like Japan, China, Korea, Australia. Obviously you go to Florida, you will find a far more abundant amount of English at WDW.

What are you taking about? Have you ever been to Walt Disney World? English is very often NOT the primary language spoken. Guarantee you if you walk into any park right now you'll hear more Portuguese than anything else! You only don't hear much Enlgish at Disneyland because Spanish is so heavily prevalent in Los Angeles! You have been to Southern California, right???

 

Again, I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to convince me that Disneyland is more of a "tourist" destination rather than a "regional" destination? Because that's not the case.

 

Disneyland draws about 80% of it audience from local markets, while Walt Disney World pulls only about 10% from local markets. That's not "my experience versus your experience" or "California versus Florida", that's just the way things are on both coasts.

 

The two destinations cater to a VERY different type of audience. And like it or not, Disneyland is a "locals" park. (Or resort, or whatever you want to call it...)

 

--Robb

 

EDIT: I have to keep reminding myself that you cannot argue with a Californian (even when you're not really arguing, just stating facts), because the Californian is always right, better and more important than you, and entitled to do or say whatever they want. I will once again back out of this "discussion" and as I walk away I am reminded how I've never been happier since I moved out of that state.

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"While you're waiting to scream, there's time to take a spin on the Orange Stinger."

 

On the bottom right it says 7/29/2001. Everybody knows Fastpasses weren't needed during that time period anyway.

 

As for this discount going away, honestly, this makes me kind of wish we were renewing our AP's. But we'll certainly take advantage of not having the 2fer's in the park for a few months until they expire. People seem to forget that going to Disneyland is a privilege, not a right. All of the news stories I have seen have comments from people lamenting Disney for wanting to make $$. When was Disney a charity? I don't seem to recall.

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