Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

[DorneyKid14]

Who knows. That is going to look absolutely wonderful.

[COASTER FREAK 11]

^^You know me, I'm a huge Disney fan! But I don't get it either. The river and train are benefiting from all this! The only real impact is the river is shorter....ok, fine, your boat ride you pretend to ride every time you go to the park is now shorter.. I'm sure they will slow the boats down to make the ride a bit longer again, lol.

 

But this is so beautiful! I think most people's issues (of which I do not agree) is that Star Wars land doesn't "belong" inside Disneyland. Cause there balance and this and that and blah blah blah. I see where they are coming from, but I simply dont thing this is the end of the world. It's all good, and going to look wonderful; so if people don't like Star Wars Land, then they can completely avoid it.

[cfc]

I love what Disney has planned not only for the original Magic Kingdom, but also Disney Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom. The Rivers of America has needed refreshing for sometime, and the concept art looks great.

Edited January 11, 2016 by cfc

[Nrthwnd]

The way perspective and theming is done in Disney's parks, I'm sure the rock work that's 'behind' the train in the artwork will easily hide Star Wars Land from riders on the train. And the 'bridge' in the upper right corner could very well be one of the (two?) entrance/exits into SWL. Maybe a tunnel of rock work which will open up into the Land.

 

They'll figure the sight lines out, with what they have there. For myself, I think it's going to be more of a challenge to them putting SWL in the Hollywood Studios at WDW. And make it work with everything else around it.

 

EDIT to add: And don't forget the 3-per of "Lands" one after the other in Hong Kong Disneyland. The public there seems to be fine breezing through from one to the other. And outside the train berm too. Like SWL will be.

Placing "Lands" side by side hasn't hurt HKDL too much.

[viking86]

The artwork for the new riverbank looks fantastic! I'm sure it will be amazing once it's done.

[805Andrew]

Looks awesome to me. I'm glad to see that the original Disneyland is getting a major upgrade after all these years of minimal upgrades. I'm also glad they are finally going to make good use of Big Thunder Ranch which was wasted real estate in my opinion for years.

[Jew]

All peak periods for the next few years will be absolutely miserable at the park from the lost capacity, but once it is all done the River area should look much better!

[jedimaster1227]

I really don't feel like the loss of the closed-off section of Tom Sawyer Island and some extra length on the Rivers of America (including the length of time now that each ride will last on the Mark Twain, the Columbia Sailing Ship and the Davy Crockett Canoes) is anything of substance when compared to the significant project that the Star Wars-themed land will be for Disneyland Park when complete. I fully expect that most of the people complaining will praise the new land and everything within and say it was worth it when all is said and done... It is these same people that mourned the loss of the waterfalls at the Disneyland Hotel and now obsess over Trader Sam's Enchanted Tiki Bar.

 

Thinking of it in another light, if this project ended up exclusively at Disney's Hollywood Studios, the Disneylanders would complain that the West Coast resort deserved some love too. You can't please everyone, but you can aim to please the general public, and the general public will pay, buy, stay and repeat significantly more for Star Wars than they ever would for the Rivers of America as they were before this project.

[COASTER FREAK 11]

My only thought for the land itself is that its 14 acres, but with only two rides? Cars land is 12 acres to compare and has 3 rides, and one of those rides is a massive tracked ride. So, they either haven't announced all the rides (unlikely) or they have a lot of room to expand or unused areas.

 

I know there will be shops, restaurants, snack locations, and all the other stuff that every other land has. It just seems there's quote a large amount unaccounted for. So, I am eager to get more details as the project progresses. And I can hope for additional rides/attractions that haven't been announced yet.

[Nrthwnd]

^ Maybe leaving a bit of room for actual future expansion of the new land?

 

(Oops - blush - didn't see that last line of yours.)

[jray21]

^^It would be pretty smart to do it in phases. Instead of one huge fully built out expansion, open a huge expansion to drive up attendance, and keep adding something every few years to keep the drive in place. Also, if it doesn't turn out as well as they thought, they can use that money elsewhere.

Edited January 11, 2016 by jray21

[COASTER FREAK 11]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think that actual area will be 14 acres at opening. Unless we get more details later that lead us to a better understanding of the land.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

The image looks great and all, but doesn't say much in terms of how exactly the island and Rivers will be modified as part of the Star Wars project.

[Jew]

My only thought for the land itself is that its 14 acres, but with only two rides? Cars land is 12 acres to compare and has 3 rides, and one of those rides is a massive tracked ride. So, they either haven't announced all the rides (unlikely) or they have a lot of room to expand or unused areas.

 

I know there will be shops, restaurants, snack locations, and all the other stuff that every other land has. It just seems there's quote a large amount unaccounted for. So, I am eager to get more details as the project progresses. And I can hope for additional rides/attractions that haven't been announced yet.

 

If the rides are both high capacity E-tickets (that perhaps need giant show buildings?), they will easily match or exceed Carsland capacity and potentially explain the acreage.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Jew

[laqueefa]

So explain to me why the fanboys were bitching again?

 

Exactly! I can't help but laugh at all the, "I won't support the parks changing what Walt did." Well first of all, the Railroad was altered back in the day, so it's not Walt's original design. Big Thunder Ranch was added 12 years after Walt's death. Do they really think people will pay big money on a family vacation to visit a dated park that was opened in the freakin 50's?!

 

It looks to me like they're going to use some of the old Rainbow Ridge area. I bet the fan boys and girls will back peddle on their negative reactions if that ends up to be true.

[rosscoe]

So explain to me why the fanboys were bitching again?

 

 

Cause they have no lives, and they a petty little bitches!

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Nearly every day I would find some media source somewhere that talked up the closures being made for Star Wars Land's construction to make it sound as though half the park was being shut down forever just for Star Wars. "Disneyland to close 15 attractions to make room for Star Wars!!' or whatever silly sensationalized headline they wanted to throw up there. In reality all that's being "lost" is a tiny corner of the park that a very small minority of guests ever set foot in, and a part of Tom Sawyer Island that hasn't been opened to guests in several years. That's IT! What's being built in their place, and in the greatly expanded area, will no doubt be incredible and a much, MUCH better use of space than a petting zoo and an arena for a show that hasn't been run in 18 years.

 

Any fanboy who would whine and cry about this would be just as bad if not worse than the nutty "Save Colossus" crowd. The railroad will come back. The boats will come back. The canoes will come back. Relax. That area of Disneyland is going to be so much better once this is all done. Just wait and see.

Edited January 12, 2016 by PeoplemoverMatt

[Garet]

Any fanboy who would whine and cry about this would be just as bad if not worse than the nutty "Save Colossus" crowd. The railroad will come back. The boats will come back. The canoes will come back. Relax. That area of Disneyland is going to be so much better once this is all done. Just wait and see.

 

Just tell them they are not coming back but it's OK, Prince Desmond can make room for them in his planned park next to the Big Dipper and watch their heads explode.

[cfc]

Nearly every day I would find some media source somewhere that talked up the closures being made for Star Wars Land's construction to make them sound as though half the park was being shut down forever just for Star Wars. "Disneyland to close 15 attractions to make room for Star Wars!!' or whatever silly sensationalized headline they wanted to throw up there. In reality all that's being "lost" is a tiny corner of the park that a very small minority of guests ever set foot in, and a part of Tom Sawyer Island that hasn't been opened to guests in several years. That's IT! What's being built in their place, and in the greatly expanded area, will no doubt be incredible and a much, MUCH better use of space than a petting zoo and an arena for a show that hasn't been run in 18 years.

 

Any fanboy who would whine and cry about this would be just as bad if not worse than the nutty "Save Colossus" crowd. The railroad will come back. The boats will come back. The canoes will come back. Relax. That area of Disneyland is going to be so much better once this is all done. Just wait and see.

 

Exactly. All they're "losing" is a BBQ restaurant and a petting zoo, while getting a much nicer waterfront in return (in addition to the Star Wars stuff).

[COASTER FREAK 11]

Micechat had a good map showing the changes.

 

Micechat

[cfc]

^Interesting. I didn't realize they were losing that much of the river; however, that was pretty much wasted space to begin with. And we'll be getting a much more scenic waterfront area.

Edited January 12, 2016 by cfc

[DBJ]

The artwork is quite stunning. I can only hope that there is a new diorama after Big Thunder before you reach Toon Town station. The backside of the theater probably isn't too amazing. I did do the ceremonial last ride on the train. Man, some serious dead space between Splash Mountain and Toon Town. With the new route, at least the train passes through something scenic. What would I do without my view of barely moving animal puppets and non-descript brown fencing? This is a huge improvement.

[pianojohn]

My only thought for the land itself is that its 14 acres, but with only two rides? Cars land is 12 acres to compare and has 3 rides, and one of those rides is a massive tracked ride. So, they either haven't announced all the rides (unlikely) or they have a lot of room to expand or unused areas.

 

Here's my idea: build a clone of Star Tours in the new area then retheme the original Star Tours to the Iron Man Experience or something else. It just would make sense to have all the Star Wars attractions in one area like DHS will have.

[coasterfreak101]

^I'm in full agreement with that, and I wonder if it's something that they haven't announced yet (or they didn't find worth announcing because it isn't a 'new' ride, per se).

 

Alternatively, it doesn't happen.

[COASTER FREAK 11]

I have wondered myself if Star Tours would move, but I don't think it will. I want it to, and I think it'd better suited in the new land, it just seems unlikely.