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While not completely related to the operation of Canada's Wonderland, the park was used in a completely different way earlier this week to keep a tradition alive due to current COVID-19 restrictions i

Go to CW site.  Click to buy something like a season pass.  You'll see it in the popup transaction window.  Under 2021 Season Pass -> 2021 Add Ons.  

Can confirm, CF doesn't care which park you go to first with your paper voucher for a Platinum Pass.  You'll get your photo taken and be issued a card that has whatever park you go to first on the bac

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Can I just ask why everyone thinks this coaster is going to be shorter or as tall as Behemoth/Drop Tower?

What is the current tallest drop coaster? Don't you think they would go for a record? I don't think you could even see

it from hwy400 if it was only 230 feet and it would appear to be shorter than the mountain.

 

I want to answer this post myself. Valravn is 223 high and drop is 214. So anything taller than this would be a world record.

 

I just wasn't aware that dive coaster are relatively short. I still don't think you will be able to see it from hwy400.

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^ I sense a red herring. It’s the only height they mention, of course they want you to think it’s the actual ride height. They also mention 23 Million riders on the old standup coaster. I’m sure people can argue that’s the cost of building this thing. It’s all there to throw us off. I’m willing to bet it will at least be taller than Valravn. Maybe not by much, but enough that it brings a new record to Canada!

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Its already a record breaker for being the first dive coaster in Canada. I don't think it will be taller then Valravn as they like to keep the records at Cedar Point. With a smaller height it will still have a record for biggest drop when you add in the tunnel.

 

Most of the GP that go to Wonderland don't know other parks exist. To most it will be a good coaster regardless.

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Its already a record breaker for being the first dive coaster in Canada. I don't think it will be taller then Valravn as they like to keep the records at Cedar Point. With a smaller height it will still have a record for biggest drop when you add in the tunnel.

 

Most of the GP that go to Wonderland don't know other parks exist. To most it will be a good coaster regardless.

 

I agree, but they built the tallest giga (Fury 325) at Carowinds to topple CP's Millennium Force... So maybe the record thing isn't a big issue anymore. You never know now a days as Cedar Fair always surprises me. I mean, I couldn't believe it when they announced I305 at KD!

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Very excited to see the layout, trains, placement, etc. Valravn surprised me quite a bit, despite finding the vest restraints unnecessary, so anything similar should be a hit at CW. The park could really use a big, smooth looping coaster.

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Its already a record breaker for being the first dive coaster in Canada. I don't think it will be taller then Valravn as they like to keep the records at Cedar Point. With a smaller height it will still have a record for biggest drop when you add in the tunnel.

 

Most of the GP that go to Wonderland don't know other parks exist. To most it will be a good coaster regardless.

 

I agree, but they built the tallest giga (Fury 325) at Carowinds to topple CP's Millennium Force... So maybe the record thing isn't a big issue anymore. You never know now a days as Cedar Fair always surprises me. I mean, I couldn't believe it when they announced I305 at KD!

 

I do agree with you but I would be surprised they did break Valravns record. Mainly cause I feel as much as Cedar Fair does invest in Wonderland it still doesn't feel like one of their parks.

 

The atmosphere is not even the same as Kings Island or Cedar Point. No mention of Platinum passes anywhere and the ride ops are not as enthusiastic as either one of those parks.

 

Off topic I read some where that the reason an RMC won't happen at Wonderland is cause the TSSA would want Shoulder Restraints.

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Off topic I read some where that the reason an RMC won't happen at Wonderland is cause the TSSA would want Shoulder Restraints.

 

I mean, RMCs don't have to go upside down. Just sayin'!

Alternatively, they do have OTSRs on the Raptors. Also just saying.

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Thats not what I meant. JUST SAYIN'

 

What this park needs aside from rides. It needs a good table service restaurant and find out how to take the atmosphere from Kings Island. Bring it to Wonderland.

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What degree angle is considered upside-down? 91 degrees? 180 degrees? "Well if we make it a 90 degree wave turn them we can use lapbars but if we make it 91 degrees it needs over the shoulder restraints! Because TSSA said so!"

 

Sounds ridiculous to me...

 

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Based on my limited research, Leviathan has an over bank at 115°... isn't that upside down? Or does it have to be exactly 180°?

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One observation that doesn't seem to be mentioned yet. If we were to assume the ride height is 213ft, and Valravn's drop is 214ft, than with the tunnel included this dive machine will likely have the record for the biggest drop of all dive coasters. So, it breaks the record of the largest drop (which is the primary element of a dive coaster) while not technically breaking the record for the tallest dive coaster. As such Valravn can keep it's record, which seems to be one of Cedar Point's focus' while delivering potentially the best drop on a dive yet. I for one am ok with that, but a giga would have been swell.

 

edit: Sorry just noticed Stealth mentioned this a few pages back. I think the 213ft makes the most sense by far. I don't think CW was using that height in their announcement tease to trick anybody.

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You guys think that cedar fair has a lot more say in new additions than the actual park. Really it's the opposite. Secondly Canada's Wonderland actually has one if the best atmospheres when it comes to looks. Thirdly, Canada's wonderland Is actually the most important park for cedar fair behind cp.

 

 

I don't care much about height since records are really only good for marketing. I can guarantee it's easily possible to make a ride much better than valvrayn that's smaller.

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Well correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Canada's Wonderland consistently rank among the highest of attended parks? That would be really impressive considering its relatively short operating season.

 

Canada's Wonderland does have the highest level of attendance than any other seasonal park in North America with over 3.7 million visitors annually. It is quite an impressive achievement when you think about it for a park that only operates approximately 130 days each season.

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Based on my limited research, Leviathan has an over bank at 115°... isn't that upside down? Or does it have to be exactly 180°?

"Upside down" is generally thought to be any bank / roll of more than 135 degrees. Above 135 degrees, your body is more upside-down than it is sideways.

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Anyone else pick up on the changed teaser posters that Screamscape mentioned? Going to try and get some pics this comig week. Apparently it shows a large bird’s eye. The name was predicted years ago, when Leviathan opened, but that hint seems to just about confirm that this coaster will be named after another monster from Hebrew mythology. The large Griffin-like bird is Ziz. Another funny name. So we’ll have Behemoth, Leviathan and most likely, Ziz.

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Anyone else pick up on the changed teaser posters that Screamscape mentioned on August 8th? Going to try and get some pics this comig week. Apparently it shows a large bird’s eye. The name was predicted years ago, when Leviathan opened, but this hint seems to just about confirm that this coaster will be named after another monster from Hebrew mythology. The large Griffin-like bird is Ziz. Another funny name. So we’ll have Behemoth, Leviathan and most likely, Ziz.

 

Yes, I had picked up on the change of the signs at Canada's Wonderland. At first they were showing a rock wall, now they are showing an eagle's eye. Below is a photo of the new sign that I had captured while at the park yesterday.

 

IMG_2736.JPG Photo credit: John Brooks via Amusement Views.

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You guys think that cedar fair has a lot more say in new additions than the actual park. Really it's the opposite. Secondly Canada's Wonderland actually has one if the best atmospheres when it comes to looks. Thirdly, Canada's wonderland Is actually the most important park for cedar fair behind cp.

 

 

I don't care much about height since records are really only good for marketing. I can guarantee it's easily possible to make a ride much better than valvrayn that's smaller.

 

I think its a good mixture of both. The Senior VP of Planning & Design position exists for just that reason. It took three builds of Giga's after Millennium Force for Cedar Fair to go above MF's height and we got a terrific friggin ride out of the deal (and actually, all four of the Giga's in the chain are terrific rides, IMO)

 

With all of that said, Canada's Wonderland has never seemed to be a big one where they go for "records" at but rather build some interesting designs (the flat rides alone at this park are worth the visit). I agree with you in that you can have a terrific ride without breaking records. That's all from a marketing standpoint.

 

Cedar Point obviously still cares very much about Valravn's records. They love being able to say its the "King of Dive Coasters" and its tagline on the website is "Tallest, Fastest, Longest Dive Coaster in the World". The decision may be around to have this new one going in up at CW to be shorter than Valravn. The decision could also have gone the other way. It's a double edged sword because eventually there will be a Dive Machine built that is taller than Valravn. It's just bound to happen! Might as well make sure the record stays in your chain (if records are that cared for).

 

My prediction is that this will be shorter than Valravn but the drop will be about the same. Maybe it'll end up taking all three records. Either way, I think it's going to be a solid addition to the park and a coaster that I can't wait to get up there and ride. I also think it'll be "Ziz" because of the teasing going around and the fact that it would complete the trifecta of Behemoth, Leviathan & Ziz.

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