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If I remember correctly this work would be next to the water park?

 

Could it just be the Thunder Falls slide complex being moved from Wildwater Kingdom.

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While not completely related to the operation of Canada's Wonderland, the park was used in a completely different way earlier this week to keep a tradition alive due to current COVID-19 restrictions i

Go to CW site.  Click to buy something like a season pass.  You'll see it in the popup transaction window.  Under 2021 Season Pass -> 2021 Add Ons.  

Can confirm, CF doesn't care which park you go to first with your paper voucher for a Platinum Pass.  You'll get your photo taken and be issued a card that has whatever park you go to first on the bac

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If I remember correctly this work would be next to the water park?

 

Could it just be the Thunder Falls slide complex being moved from Wildwater Kingdom.

 

It could be but it's very Mystic Timbers like. It's a very long stretch of path bulldozed in to the forest, much more then needed for a slide complex and way out of play for a complex too

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I have hopes for a roller coaster in 2017 but would be happy with a waterpark expansion or new thrill ride. I actually think that there still is a chance that we're getting a rollercoaster in 2017, we have seen land clearing by minebuster earlier this year and we've recently just seen more. The two options that I'm thinking is the lime green track or a minebuster RMC. The park is probably waiting for splashworks to close (September 5) before they start construction. If the track is for a wingrider we know he fast those go up. I don't think we should bet our money on a new coaster but we also shouldn't ignore the possibility.

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I'm gonna go ahead and put my money on the same bet as everyone else who is saying waterpark expansion/redesign in 2017 and coaster in 2018. I actually think they are going to market it as a Spash expansion but it will be more of a redesign (we can already see how this has started with the entrance gate adjustment). Maybe a new slide or two, or an expanded wave pool. Expanded kids area to draw the family crowd in, too. I could also see the change rooms and gift shops move behind the new gates to make more room for the 2018 coaster near the old SkyRider spot.

 

Just my latest theory. Who knows!

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Maybe the reason nobody may be getting a new B&M next year is because Cedar Point is getting most of the capital, again. Two hotel renovations and a Sports park has to be very expensive. CW is probably getting waterpark expansion. Which will be nicer than MiA's new garbage can.

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While it's certainly true that revenue is going to Cedar Fair as a company, I highly doubt that Cedar Fair is deliberately pulling large sums of money from certain parks to invest in others. The parks themselves are individuals even though they have a strong corporate identity. Every market has different needs, and it's up to each park to figure out how to meet those needs under the management of the entity that ties them all together.

 

Also, it's not like Canada's Wonderland is slipping by any standard - its attendance grew between 2014 and 2015 according to the TEA and AECOM, and it's still Cedar Fair's second-best performing park behind Knott's Berry Farm. That's saying a lot considering that Canada's Wonderland operates seasonally. It's also just oh-so-slightly ahead of Cedar Point too!

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While it's certainly true that revenue is going to Cedar Fair as a company, I highly doubt that Cedar Fair is deliberately pulling large sums of money from certain parks to invest in others. The parks themselves are individuals even though they have a strong corporate identity. Every market has different needs, and it's up to each park to figure out how to meet those needs under the management of the entity that ties them all together.

 

Also, it's not like Canada's Wonderland is slipping by any standard - its attendance grew between 2014 and 2015 according to the TEA and AECOM, and it's still Cedar Fair's second-best performing park behind Knott's Berry Farm. That's saying a lot considering that Canada's Wonderland operates seasonally. It's also just oh-so-slightly ahead of Cedar Point too!

Canada's wonderland has slightly higher attendance (and our ticket and seasons passes are much less due to the exchange rate), and also food, so based on those 2 elements alone CW is likely behind Cedar Point in revenue, even though ahead in raw attendance figures.

 

But Cedar Point has lots of hotels and upcharge experiences that pull them a lot ahead.

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Call me crazy, but my gut feeling tells me that there are possibly three RMC projects at Cedar Fair next year. Canada's Wonderland's announcement is still pending, KD's big hype turned into a big let down, and Cedar Point announced the closure of Mean Streak with no news on what's to come. Something tells me that Cedar Fair and RMC are still working out the final kinks in the designs, contracts, etc. and it may be due to RMC's troubled year with Lightning Rod and the recalls. It probably threw Cedar Fair off and they had to compromise with their capital announcements.

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Call me crazy, but my gut feeling tells me that there are possibly three RMC projects at Cedar Fair next year. Canada's Wonderland's announcement is still pending, KD's big hype turned into a big let down, and Cedar Point announced the closure of Mean Streak with no news on what's to come. Something tells me that Cedar Fair and RMC are still working out the final kinks in the designs, contracts, etc. and it may be due to RMC's troubled year with Lightning Rod and the recalls. It probably threw Cedar Fair off and they had to compromise with their capital announcements.

 

Why do you have to post the same bullshit post in 3 different topics???

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Call me crazy, but my gut feeling tells me that there are possibly three RMC projects at Cedar Fair next year. Canada's Wonderland's announcement is still pending, KD's big hype turned into a big let down, and Cedar Point announced the closure of Mean Streak with no news on what's to come. Something tells me that Cedar Fair and RMC are still working out the final kinks in the designs, contracts, etc. and it may be due to RMC's troubled year with Lightning Rod and the recalls. It probably threw Cedar Fair off and they had to compromise with their capital announcements.

 

Why do you have to post the same bullshit post in 3 different topics???

 

Easy bro! Panties in a wad? What did I ever do to you to deserve all that aggression?

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I know next year most likely isn't the coaster year for us because there hasn't really been any big teasers. But what if.... just what if.... they don't want to tease, and just want to completely shock and surprise everyone (Still tho, $$$ is on 2018 Invert or Wingrider)

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This is my first post. I posted a comment on the Canada's Wonderland Facebook page commenting on the lack of information about when the 2017 announcement was being made. I thought I may get a 'coming soon' comment, but I got a reply very quickly that was more detailed. It said that capital announcement dates vary due to several external factors. I posted this comment on August 20th, the same day Kings Dominion made their announcement.

 

My thinking is that if we were getting the same thing as another park then there should not be any unique external factors that could not have been sorted out by now, thus there may be a chance that we are getting something unique or something needing more logistics to be successfully completed. I have been leaning towards a Hotel Breakers kind of hotel being built instead of a coaster. If that is the case, I will see that as a real vote of confidence in Canada's Wonderland and indicative of future development in the park. It could mean longer lines but that means more revenues and more revenues mean more incentive for Cedar Fair to invest here in the future. It would also make sense to do this, pardon the phrase, unsexy type of project for Canada's Wonderland in a year when we can't point to another park and say 'why are they getting a and we're not'. That's my two cents worth.

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I know next year most likely isn't the coaster year for us because there hasn't really been any big teasers. But what if.... just what if.... they don't want to tease, and just want to completely shock and surprise everyone (Still tho, $$$ is on 2018 Invert or Wingrider)

Well I am actually a tiny bit confident in getting a new SOMETHING next year. New footers and bulldozing near skyrider. It might not be a B&M or even any coaster, but even a good flatride I will be more than happy. I came into this year expecting nothing, so anything should surprise me.

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I know next year most likely isn't the coaster year for us because there hasn't really been any big teasers. But what if.... just what if.... they don't want to tease, and just want to completely shock and surprise everyone (Still tho, $$$ is on 2018 Invert or Wingrider)

Well I am actually a tiny bit confident in getting a new SOMETHING next year. New footers and bulldozing near skyrider. It might not be a B&M or even any coaster, but even a good flatride I will be more than happy. I came into this year expecting nothing, so anything should surprise me.

 

Wait... There are footers and bulldozing in Skyrider's land now?

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The other potential thing that could be happenng is a Plants vs Zombies or Mass Effect ride. I am sure this has been mentioned before so I am sorry for any redundancy. I saw the P vs Z version at Carowinds this summer and my family liked it. It was brutally hot at Carowinds with no lines so we 'rode' P vs Z like ten times. It was air conditioned and it fit nicely into the theatre space as well. The other day I was at Canada's Wonderland in line to watch the Robinson Crusoe 3D movie and I mentioned to the operator that I had done the P vs Z ride and that it would fit nicely in that space but there was no reaction. I tried. Still, the theatre is there and it could be converted to this type of ride that adds some breadth to the offerings. I would think that P vs Z would be the one rather than Mass Effect given that the theatre is in the kids' area.

 

Of course, that still doesn't answer any questions about the Skyrider plot. I took a look at the plot last Sunday and didn't see anything different from previous visits.

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I know next year most likely isn't the coaster year for us because there hasn't really been any big teasers. But what if.... just what if.... they don't want to tease, and just want to completely shock and surprise everyone (Still tho, $$$ is on 2018 Invert or Wingrider)

Well I am actually a tiny bit confident in getting a new SOMETHING next year. New footers and bulldozing near skyrider. It might not be a B&M or even any coaster, but even a good flatride I will be more than happy. I came into this year expecting nothing, so anything should surprise me.

 

Wait... There are footers and bulldozing in Skyrider's land now?

 

THERE IS ZERO BULLDOZING AND FOOTERS.

 

There is land clearing behind Black Hole in the forest and I have a feeling that's for a future hotel breakers. Wonderland has said they take their tree's very seriously and try to remove as little as possible and they have a ton of land free for water park expansion so my only guess for removing a whole forest is Hotel Breakers or camp ground.

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So I've done some serious thinking, Cedar Fair would be beyond smart to invest in a nice Hotel on site. Here's why;

1. they would for sure fully book the hotel especially if they offered fast lanes to guests for free (included in cost of room) like Universal does.

2. With the economy looking very poor and here to stay, Canadians from all around are looking for the new Disney/ Universal experience with out the dollar conversion.

3. The parks distance to Toronto, Mississauga, and Vaughan Mills and with all the corporate offices near by, they could keep the hotel open all season and make money that way. (on the Q3 conference call they talked about investing in hotels and sport complexes on most of their properties to expand their revenue.

4. Green stakes appeared near the highway on Wonderland's property near the black hole forest, we also now know the black hole forest is having bulldozing take place. Wonderland has stated they take their tree count very seriously and try to remove as little as possible. Well there is tons of room to expand the water park without going into that forest. I honestly feel like were seeing early signs to a Hotel Breakers back there for 2019/2020 opening (since they take forever to build).

5. It's the right time to invest american currency into the park with our low economy. They can hire cheap labour, cheap materials and the market is extremely competitive in terms of companies fighting over contracts.

I know some here think were not getting a hotel anytime soon and they will roll their eyes at me, but I just feel the evidence from quarterly results, the investment charts, and the weird land clearing and stakes on the outer perimeter of the park kind of points towards a Hotel Breakers.

 

This could also explain the delay in announcement due to external factors. Maybe they're waiting for everything to be finalized and marketing aspects to be completed. Remember with the removal of SKyrider, they did say they couldn't say how many years it would take but its a multi-year large investment project...

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Not sure if Canada's Wonderland is really the place to get an on-site hotel. Most of the other CF parks with much more established and wellrounded rides don't even have on-site hotels. I think CW is just mostly people from the area and Toronto, its not really bringing in the international visitors.

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I don't think bringing in visitors from overseas is a realistic expectation, but bringing in additional revenue for those making the trek down from Ottawa, Kingston, or even Montreal probably is. They're not gonna build a 600 room hotel resort - they'll build something probably akin to a Towneplace Suites but with Canada's Wonderland branding. It seems entirely reasonable to me.

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its not really bringing in the international visitors.

Well that's the point of adding a hotel, to bring in visitors from overseas as well as encouraging people to stay on site.

I'm being realistic, no one is coming across seas JUST for Canada's Wonderland. There are literally dozens of better vacation opportunities available like Disneyland, Disneyworld, Universal Studios, etc.

 

Also, CW is more of a day park, even without a fast pass you can get done all the main rides in a day. Also since most of their customers come from Toronto or the surrounding areas, no one is going to shell out 200+$ per night rather than just taking the go-train or bus home.

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Overseas is a stretch, but bringing in Americans from a few hours away isn't so crazy. New York, Boston, Chicago, and Philly are all long but reasonable drives, but certainly not close enough that many people are going to leave home, hit the park, and return home in one day. The rides are all about 8 hours.

 

Even in Canada, Montreal and Quebec City are 5 and 8 hours away, respectively. That's a bit much for most people to do in one day, but to drive in and stay on site and then leave the next day would be nice.

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