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Pretty much anything that can be dismantled gets dismantled, though you won't see a park take apart their permanent roller coasters because they're welded together. The trains will come off and be disassembled, flat ride cars / seat assemblies will be removed. It's really a safety thing, as they can replace individual parts if needed.

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Pretty much anything that can be dismantled gets dismantled, though you won't see a park take apart their permanent roller coasters because they're welded together. The trains will come off and be disassembled, flat ride cars / seat assemblies will be removed. It's really a safety thing, as they can replace individual parts if needed.

 

Well, that's kind of obvious. I wasn't serious about the roller coasters being dismantled. It's quite neat to see some rides dismantled for the off-season. The one I found quite neat to see dismantled is Klockwerks, which is a Huss Swing Around. They take off the cars, then the arms, and then disconnect the ride to lay completely flat on the ground in a circle. That's why the ride platform has to be a certain diameter. Luckily, when they removed Bayern's Curve in 2000, the plot was big enough to accommodate Klockwerks. But, it's a shame that Paramount had to remove a classic ride to keep a classic ride. Maybe we'll see a Bayern Kurve return to the park as Matt Ouimet has a team of ride scavengers searching Europe for classic rides to bring them back to operate a Cedar Fair parks.

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I meant, closing a theme park, dismantling the rides, moving them somewhere else, only to open a new theme park. Has that ever actually happened anywhere?

 

Well, apparently it has happened with some very small South American parks but, never on a large scale as far as I know of. It would be extremely expensive to move a park as large as Canada's Wonderland so, I don't see it ever happening, unless it were to greatly downsize at it's new location. But, Canada's Wonderland's popularity has grown over the past decade so, they wouldn't make it smaller.

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No, of course not. Have you seen the pics of Ontario Place yet John? Do you think I should start a new thread or is Ontario Place not considered to be a theme park?

 

^Im pretty sure it's been closed for a while now.

 

As for other parks in the GTA, been pretty curious to see how wild water kingdom turns out. Apparently there making some pretty big renovations.

 

Yes, I have seen the pictures of Ontario Place that were taken back in December. The place looks like a complete dump now. Also, Ontario Place (Soak City, the water park and the amusement park) has been closed since the end of the 2011 season. So, there is no need to start making a discussion thread about it as there is no "new" activity that has occurred on the property since it's closure apart from vandalism and a couple attractions being removed which were bought by Canada's Wonderland and have been operating since last year. As for Wildwater Kingdom, I drive by it on my way to College and I haven't seen anything large yet and it's been quite a while since the mentioning of a large expansion has been announced. I also haven't seen any new slides or attraction being installed so, maybe they're behind in progress or just not adding anything large.

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No haunt for them????

 

A lot of parks have separate admissions for Haunts I believe so the park will close at 5 those days and I assume will then reopen at 7 for Haunt. (Somebody correct me if im wrong) I believe Carowinds also does this

 

Yes, Canada's Wonderland has separate admission for Halloween Haunt which causes the park to close at 5:00pm and re-open at 7:00pm for those who have paid Halloween Haunt admission. The Halloween Haunt hours will be posted later in the season as we approach late August.

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No haunt for them????

 

A lot of parks have separate admissions for Haunts I believe so the park will close at 5 those days and I assume will then reopen at 7 for Haunt. (Somebody correct me if im wrong) I believe Carowinds also does this

 

Yes, Canada's Wonderland has separate admission for Halloween Haunt which causes the park to close at 5:00pm and re-open at 7:00pm for those who have paid Halloween Haunt admission. The Halloween Haunt hours will be posted later in the season as we approach late August.

 

Oh wow. I didn't know that! That is interesting!!

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I haven't been on this thread in a while. What are the current rumors or 2017 at Canada's Wonderland?

 

Nothing as of now. Now that we're officially in Ouimet's 5-year plan for the chain, things have been pretty quiet in terms of rumors for all of the parks. We could expect something in Skyrider's former spot, but it's all speculation right now since there hasn't even been a peep in terms of what could be coming.

 

I'm gonna say this now, I wouldn't put a strong merit on it being a big coaster though. Wonderland is not currently on CF's list of focus parks, as Carowinds and Valleyfair top that list with a couple others below it. There's only so much market you can hit before it's too saturated and with Wonderland being THE premiere park in Canada, it doesn't really need to improve on anything besides filling in minor gaps such as newer family/thrill rides.

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I haven't been on this thread in a while. What are the current rumors or 2017 at Canada's Wonderland?

 

Nothing as of now. Now that we're officially in Ouimet's 5-year plan for the chain, things have been pretty quiet in terms of rumors for all of the parks. We could expect something in Skyrider's former spot, but it's all speculation right now since there hasn't even been a peep in terms of what could be coming.

 

I'm gonna say this now, I wouldn't put a strong merit on it being a big coaster though. Wonderland is not currently on CF's list of focus parks, as Carowinds and Valleyfair top that list with a couple others below it. There's only so much market you can hit before it's too saturated and with Wonderland being THE premiere park in Canada, it doesn't really need to improve on anything besides filling in minor gaps such as newer family/thrill rides.

 

Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

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Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

 

Has been stated several times during quarter earning conference calls. Valleyfair is one of the key markets that they're trying to expand on, along with Carowinds and CA Great America. They don't need as large of an expansion as Carowinds has been needing, but it's still there. Valleyfair has a rather large market available to it, but can only hit around 1 million guests a season when it could easily reach 1.5mil, if not more. Cedar Point pretty much is on its own and really CF can do whatever they want to it as the market is already established and guests will always go there in droves and it's the same with Kings Island.

 

Wonderland is one of those parks too that it's hard to expand on the market when the market is already established, or in their case, the dominate spot in the market. There's a reason why Canada's Wonderland has the highest yearly attendance out of all of the Cedar Fair parks.

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Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

 

Has been stated several times during quarter earning conference calls. Valleyfair is one of the key markets that they're trying to expand on, along with Carowinds and CA Great America. They don't need as large of an expansion as Carowinds has been needing, but it's still there. Valleyfair has a rather large market available to it, but can only hit around 1 million guests a season when it could easily reach 1.5mil, if not more. Cedar Point pretty much is on its own and really CF can do whatever they want to it as the market is already established and guests will always go there in droves and it's the same with Kings Island.

 

Wonderland is one of those parks too that it's hard to expand on the market when the market is already established, or in their case, the dominate spot in the market. There's a reason why Canada's Wonderland has the highest yearly attendance out of all of the Cedar Fair parks.

 

Oh okay thanks! I don't keep track of the conference calls so I wouldn't know. Maybe I should start!

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Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

 

Has been stated several times during quarter earning conference calls. Valleyfair is one of the key markets that they're trying to expand on, along with Carowinds and CA Great America. They don't need as large of an expansion as Carowinds has been needing, but it's still there. Valleyfair has a rather large market available to it, but can only hit around 1 million guests a season when it could easily reach 1.5mil, if not more. Cedar Point pretty much is on its own and really CF can do whatever they want to it as the market is already established and guests will always go there in droves and it's the same with Kings Island.

 

Wonderland is one of those parks too that it's hard to expand on the market when the market is already established, or in their case, the dominate spot in the market. There's a reason why Canada's Wonderland has the highest yearly attendance out of all of the Cedar Fair parks.

Makes sense. Now that CF's done some major work on CW over the last few years (2 B&Ms, Windseeker, Guardian etc.), I wouldn't be surprised to see some other "underserved parks getting more TLC in the coming years.

 

However, with that being said, I'm predicting something relatively large taking up Skyrider's spot next year. The park's stated that the removal of Skyrider was a "multi-year project", and with land clearing going on all around the area (including inside Splashworks/near WWC), I'm guessing we'll either see a total revamp of Splashworks or a medium to large sized coaster.

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Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

 

Has been stated several times during quarter earning conference calls. Valleyfair is one of the key markets that they're trying to expand on, along with Carowinds and CA Great America. They don't need as large of an expansion as Carowinds has been needing, but it's still there. Valleyfair has a rather large market available to it, but can only hit around 1 million guests a season when it could easily reach 1.5mil, if not more. Cedar Point pretty much is on its own and really CF can do whatever they want to it as the market is already established and guests will always go there in droves and it's the same with Kings Island.

 

Wonderland is one of those parks too that it's hard to expand on the market when the market is already established, or in their case, the dominate spot in the market. There's a reason why Canada's Wonderland has the highest yearly attendance out of all of the Cedar Fair parks.

Makes sense. Now that CF's done some major work on CW over the last few years (2 B&Ms, Windseeker, Guardian etc.), I wouldn't be surprised to see some other "underserved parks getting more TLC in the coming years.

 

However, with that being said, I'm predicting something relatively large taking up Skyrider's spot next year. The park's stated that the removal of Skyrider was a "multi-year project", and with land clearing going on all around the area (including inside Splashworks/near WWC), I'm guessing we'll either see a total revamp of Splashworks or a medium to large sized coaster.

 

 

My guess for 2017 is we'll not see a total revamp of Splashworks, but, some slides added near Mighty Canadian Minebuster's first drop as they were clearing land there last year. Also, I think we'll see a dive coaster where SkyRider was. I mean, there isn't much room there but, a dive coaster can be quite compact if they wanted it to be.

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^So glad to seeSkyhawk coming together! That looks incredible

 

 

Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

 

Has been stated several times during quarter earning conference calls. Valleyfair is one of the key markets that they're trying to expand on, along with Carowinds and CA Great America. They don't need as large of an expansion as Carowinds has been needing, but it's still there. Valleyfair has a rather large market available to it, but can only hit around 1 million guests a season when it could easily reach 1.5mil, if not more. Cedar Point pretty much is on its own and really CF can do whatever they want to it as the market is already established and guests will always go there in droves and it's the same with Kings Island.

 

Wonderland is one of those parks too that it's hard to expand on the market when the market is already established, or in their case, the dominate spot in the market. There's a reason why Canada's Wonderland has the highest yearly attendance out of all of the Cedar Fair parks.

Makes sense. Now that CF's done some major work on CW over the last few years (2 B&Ms, Windseeker, Guardian etc.), I wouldn't be surprised to see some other "underserved parks getting more TLC in the coming years.

 

However, with that being said, I'm predicting something relatively large taking up Skyrider's spot next year. The park's stated that the removal of Skyrider was a "multi-year project", and with land clearing going on all around the area (including inside Splashworks/near WWC), I'm guessing we'll either see a total revamp of Splashworks or a medium to large sized coaster.

 

 

My guess for 2017 is we'll not see a total revamp of Splashworks, but, some slides added near Mighty Canadian Minebuster's first drop as they were clearing land there last year. Also, I think we'll see a dive coaster where SkyRider was. I mean, there isn't much room there but, a dive coaster can be quite compact if they wanted it to be.

Maybe it won't be a total revamp, but, I wouldn't be surprised if the got a new entrance (extending into skyrider's spot), plus the slides near Minebuster that you mentioned. With other large water parks opening in the region (Calypso Park a few hours east, plus the preposed indoor waterpark for the GTA), other older waterparks are upping the anti; just look at WildWater Kingdom. They're completely redoing their park, most likely to compete with Calypso. I wouldn't be surprised if CW does something similar.

 

As for the coaster rumor, I'm guessing the land clearing near Minebuster could be for a coaster (if splash works doesn't get any more additions next year). The station would likely be in Skyrider's old spot, and the coaster would probably interact with the area around Minebuster/splash works. Probably something from B&M, maybe Mack or RMC?

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^So glad to seeSkyhawk coming together! That looks incredible

 

 

Can I ask where Valleyfair came from? I would say CP, Carowinds, and KI...

 

Has been stated several times during quarter earning conference calls. Valleyfair is one of the key markets that they're trying to expand on, along with Carowinds and CA Great America. They don't need as large of an expansion as Carowinds has been needing, but it's still there. Valleyfair has a rather large market available to it, but can only hit around 1 million guests a season when it could easily reach 1.5mil, if not more. Cedar Point pretty much is on its own and really CF can do whatever they want to it as the market is already established and guests will always go there in droves and it's the same with Kings Island.

 

Wonderland is one of those parks too that it's hard to expand on the market when the market is already established, or in their case, the dominate spot in the market. There's a reason why Canada's Wonderland has the highest yearly attendance out of all of the Cedar Fair parks.

Makes sense. Now that CF's done some major work on CW over the last few years (2 B&Ms, Windseeker, Guardian etc.), I wouldn't be surprised to see some other "underserved parks getting more TLC in the coming years.

 

However, with that being said, I'm predicting something relatively large taking up Skyrider's spot next year. The park's stated that the removal of Skyrider was a "multi-year project", and with land clearing going on all around the area (including inside Splashworks/near WWC), I'm guessing we'll either see a total revamp of Splashworks or a medium to large sized coaster.

 

 

My guess for 2017 is we'll not see a total revamp of Splashworks, but, some slides added near Mighty Canadian Minebuster's first drop as they were clearing land there last year. Also, I think we'll see a dive coaster where SkyRider was. I mean, there isn't much room there but, a dive coaster can be quite compact if they wanted it to be.

Maybe it won't be a total revamp, but, I wouldn't be surprised if the got a new entrance (extending into skyrider's spot), plus the slides near Minebuster that you mentioned. With other large water parks opening in the region (Calypso Park a few hours east, plus the preposed indoor waterpark for the GTA), other older waterparks are upping the anti; just look at WildWater Kingdom. They're completely redoing their park, most likely to compete with Calypso. I wouldn't be surprised if CW does something similar.

 

As for the coaster rumor, I'm guessing the land clearing near Minebuster could be for a coaster (if splash works doesn't get any more additions next year). The station would likely be in Skyrider's old spot, and the coaster would probably interact with the area around Minebuster/splash works. Probably something from B&M, maybe Mack or RMC?

 

I'm hoping for a B&M wing or Dive still for 2017 or maybe we will have the honor for one of the first RMC single rail or Monorail coasters (whatever you wanna call it but you get the point) but I'm sure we will get some sort of surprise for the 35th anniversary.

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^Right because Cedar Fair is just so keen on their anniversaries. Kings Dominion broke the bank for their 40th--they spent, what, $2 million? Seriously anniversaries mean absolutely nothing to most parks and I don't know what makes you think they'll get a coaster because of an anniversary. If they do get something big next year it has nothing to do with an anniversary.

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