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On that particular night, there was nothing the park could have done to really improve things. In all the years I've been going there, I've never seen it that busy. Even with all the entrance turnstiles open, it was still a mess getting in. It also wasn't like the ride ops were slow, it was just that busy. For instance, the line for Leviathan went back to the drink stand by Dragon Fire. Even during its first season, I had never see the line that long. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the park was approaching capacity limits that night.

 

But the Saturday right before Halloween is always the absolute busiest night of the year. So, I wasn't surprised.

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Thank you EastCoastKid, mightypotato, and everyone else that contributed in answering my questions. You guys rock.

 

My only real concern is all that traffic. Sounds awful.

 

The traffic really only applies to Haunt. All other times it usually isn't bad at all.

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Thank you EastCoastKid, mightypotato, and everyone else that contributed in answering my questions. You guys rock.

 

My only real concern is all that traffic. Sounds awful.

 

The traffic really only applies to Haunt. All other times it usually isn't bad at all.

Avoid rush hour traffic if you are going through downtown Toronto. You gotta have a lot of patience driving down there at those times.

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The other stuff you mentioned outside of the park sound like things I'd be interested in; CN Tower, Niagra Falls, and maybe the zoo. Can anyone (presumably older) talk about the nightlife? Where can I get one of those strong Canadian Beers I've heard so much about?

 

Ah, my area of expertise! Ok, if you want to kill two birds with one stone (so to speak), go do the Steam Whistle Brewery tour during your Downtown Toronto time. The tour is great and you get to try some of Ontario's favourite beer (well, one of many of Ontario's favourite beers lol). I've also heard great things about the Mill St Brewery tour, but I haven't done that one myself yet because I end up going to Steam Whistle every time I'm downtown lol. I love Steam Whistle beer and I always have fun and it's right beside everything else I usually go down there to do (it's right across the street from the Aquarium and CN Tower and conveniently close to Union Station).

 

If when you mention "nightlife" you want to know about what clubs are good, then that's a whooooole different conversation lol. Toronto has endless nightclubs. Maybe decide what district of the city you want to stick to and then narrow it down from there, if you plan on going clubbing.

 

There really is a ton to do in Southern Ontario.. If you decide to hit up the Niagara region you can do everything from the typical "Falls attractions" to the Butterfly Conservatory to wine tours, etc. Or if you want to explore the Vaughan area there is Dave & Busters (which I loooove if you want to have fun and have good food all in one go), you can catch an IMAX film at the Colossus, or do some shopping at Vaughan Mills (though unless you want something you can only find in Canada I would recommend shopping in the US). If you have kids you want to keep entertained, the South Simcoe Rail isn't too far from Vaughan. And you definitely won't run out of things to do Downtown Toronto. You can also check out our awesome local pubs for the "beer experience". I would suggest starting on John St. for the pubs. The Office Pub is one of my favourite go-to locations, and it's not far from other good ones like the Town Crier or the Friar. I never go hungry when I go to the Friar lol. You could also catch a show - there are always great concerts, and Toronto has really good theatre productions as well. I know Mirvish always has something good showing. Or you can stick to my favourite "touristey" attractions that everyone has already brought up (because they're classics!) - CN Tower, the Toronto Zoo (which, don't be fooled when you're planning, isn't anywhere near Downtown Toronto), the Distillery District, the Aquarium, etc.

 

Good luck with your planning!

 

Oh, and I wouldn't worry about getting on all the rides during peak season. If you stay for a full weekday you're pretty much guaranteed to get them all in. Especially if it happens to be rainy!

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Ah, my area of expertise! Ok, if you want to kill two birds with one stone (so to speak), go do the Steam Whistle Brewery tour during your Downtown Toronto time. The tour is great and you get to try some of Ontario's favourite beer (well, one of many of Ontario's favourite beers lol). I've also heard great things about the Mill St Brewery tour, but I haven't done that one myself yet because I end up going to Steam Whistle every time I'm downtown lol. I love Steam Whistle beer and I always have fun and it's right beside everything else I usually go down there to do (it's right across the street from the Aquarium and CN Tower and conveniently close to Union Station).

 

I do want to kill two birds with one stone. The Steam Whistle Brewery tour sounds like a great idea, and something that must be added to my list. Especially since it's right across from the CN Tower and Aquarium. That's a great way to spend a majority of my day.

 

If when you mention "nightlife" you want to know about what clubs are good, then that's a whooooole different conversation lol. Toronto has endless nightclubs. Maybe decide what district of the city you want to stick to and then narrow it down from there, if you plan on going clubbing.

 

I'm all ears. I'll do some research (Y) .

 

There really is a ton to do in Southern Ontario.. If you decide to hit up the Niagara region you can do everything from the typical "Falls attractions" to the Butterfly Conservatory to wine tours, etc. Or if you want to explore the Vaughan area there is Dave & Busters (which I loooove if you want to have fun and have good food all in one go), you can catch an IMAX film at the Colossus, or do some shopping at Vaughan Mills (though unless you want something you can only find in Canada I would recommend shopping in the US). If you have kids you want to keep entertained, the South Simcoe Rail isn't too far from Vaughan. And you definitely won't run out of things to do Downtown Toronto. You can also check out our awesome local pubs for the "beer experience". I would suggest starting on John St. for the pubs. The Office Pub is one of my favourite go-to locations, and it's not far from other good ones like the Town Crier or the Friar. I never go hungry when I go to the Friar lol. You could also catch a show - there are always great concerts, and Toronto has really good theatre productions as well. I know Mirvish always has something good showing. Or you can stick to my favourite "touristey" attractions that everyone has already brought up (because they're classics!) - CN Tower, the Toronto Zoo (which, don't be fooled when you're planning, isn't anywhere near Downtown Toronto), the Distillery District, the Aquarium, etc.

 

Still not sold on Niagra Falls do to the travel involved, but if I go - I'll definitely hit up Dave & Busters, and make a brief appearance over the border (Gotta get that state credit!). Will have to check out the concerts going on too.

Good luck with your planning!

 

Thanks for that. It's much easier now

 

Oh, and I wouldn't worry about getting on all the rides during peak season. If you stay for a full weekday you're pretty much guaranteed to get them all in. Especially if it happens to be rainy!

 

I didn't think so, I've been to Cedar Point during peak season a few times, and outside of my first ever trip back in 05 (2 hours for Mantis...) - I've never had a problem.

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Hi Everyone,

 

I recently had the opportunity to take a walk around Canada's Wonderland with Peter Switzer (Director of Maintenance and Construction at Canada's Wonderland) and thought I would share some information regarding project contracts and new ride construction at the park.

 

Peter informed me that when CW is looking to build a new attraction, the process is identical to that of any other engineering project. First of all, the decision to build a new ride (and what type of ride will be built) is strictly that of Canada's Wonderland and not Cedar Fair. Each individual park makes its own decisions on what rides are built and when, however they must also receive approval from Cedar Fair. Below is a simplified outline of the process.

 

When the park decides that they want to build a new ride, they put out something similar to a "request for proposal (RFP)" where they state the scope of the project including the type of ride that they want to construct and the features they want it to have. They might also include other details such as budgetary constraints, site constraints, and/or required building and design codes. The RFP is made available to amusement ride consulting companies which, if desired, submit proposals for a ride that meets the park's requirements. The park then has the option to accept one of the proposals or decline all of them. If the park accepts a proposal, they award an engineering contract to the corresponding company which is then responsible for developing a detailed design and manufacturing the ride. The ride's designers communicate with representatives from the park to tweak and revise the design until both parties agree on a final design. This process can take months and can involve hundreds of revisions as I'm told was the case for Leviathan. I asked Peter if he could provide specific examples of changes that were made to Leviathan from its original design however he was unable to recall any since the process occurred 5 years ago (more than a year before construction started on Leviathan) and he was recently dealing with another large project (very interesting).

 

Another interesting note to add here is that many amusement ride consulting firms do not actually design the entire ride themselves. When Wonderland was working with B&M to build Leviathan, B&M was mainly responsible for designing the track and support structure. The design of the ride's specialized subsystems such as the electrical system and the concrete foundation piers were sub-contracted to other engineering companies that each specialize in a specific area. For example, all of the concrete foundation piers for Leviathan were designed by a geotechnical consulting firm within Ontario since this company is most familiar with the soil conditions around CW. Sub-contracting of work can also help to ensure that the rides are designed to fully comply with local building and design codes, especially when the primary consultant is located in another country. When Behemoth was constructed, the fall-arrest system that was installed on the lift hill for maintenance workers did not comply with local codes. Because of this, the park had to retrofit the ride with its own system to satisfy the codes.

 

If a major problem develops after a ride is constructed at the park, CW may contact the designer to help mitigate the problem. After Leviathan was constructed, the park received numerous noise complaints from the surrounding residential areas due the coaster's roar as it plummeted down the first drop. Canada's Wonderland contacted B&M to help resolve the problem and B&M experimented with various alternatives at their facility. The optimal solution that B&M came up with was to fill the entire lift hill (which is made up of hollow rectangular steel segments) with sand to reduce vibrations which cause excessive noise. The park proceeded with this solution by cutting holes in each of the lift hill segments and filling them all with granular. This significantly reduced the loudness of the ride and the number of noise complaints (although I personally miss that loud signature B&M roar).

 

I apologize for the long post but I hope that some of you will find this information as interesting as I do. I hope to share more information that I learned from Peter Switzer at some point, I had the opportunity to ask him a lot of questions about the park and specific rides. I even got a tour inside WMG with him and I was allowed to snap a few pictures with the house lights on (although I'm a little weary about posting them here).

 

Cheers!!

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