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^ I'm going to say much needed water park upgrades.

 

So I finally got to see Starlight Spectacular last night! I think I watched it too many times on YouTube because the excitement wore off just a couple minutes into it, not to mention they enjoy blasting the music at all of their shows so loud that the sound becomes distorted and uncomfortable. The ending has always been my favourite and is definitely my favourite scene to see live with everything flashing all around you. The post-show is also nice to stick around for if you have the time.

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Just to let everyone know, I contacted the creators of Starlight Spectacular (Tantrum Design) and I asked if the show will return with a different concept next year. Their response: "You'll have to wait and see!".

 

hummmm......

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Well, they'll definitely be changing the "Happy 30th Birthday" but I wouldn't be surprised if it just said "Thanks for visiting" next season. I can also see them changing the beginning after what happened with the Fireflies scene. I was kind of hoping for one of those dramatic openings where everything shuts off at once like with World of Color.

 

If anyone's interested, here's the guys that did the makeover to the Royal Fountains: http://www.crystalfountains.com

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Wow.

 

I finally get a chance to catch up on this thread. 48 pages later.... My head hurts.

 

My thoughts??? (like anyone cares):

 

Cool looking ride. Looks like fun.

 

Who cares about the long high brake run??? (anyone ridden Kingda Ka?)

 

Keith made another amazing set of videos!!!

 

But the truly best thing to come out of these 48 pages, was Wes coming up with Leviathon!!

 

 

Wes wins!! (Again!)

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As stupid as it may seem, putting in a giga after a hyper works. At least with me (and I have a feeling I'm not the only one) . Indeed, this park already attracted me before (never been there) but the fact I can ride a giga as a "bonus" won't hurt. Maybe I would have left this park behind while planning a personal road trip, but I would include it WITHOUT A DOUBT NOW. Of course, I would ALSO have prefered an Intamin (not just because X is better than Y or Y is better than X) but just for the sake of variety. Some people would like to own a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, some people would prefer 2 Ferraris, some 2 Lambo's...

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As stupid as it may seem, putting in a giga after a hyper works. At least with me (and I have a feeling I'm not the only one) . Indeed, this park already attracted me before (never been there) but the fact I can ride a giga as a "bonus" won't hurt. Maybe I would have left this park behind while planning a personal road trip, but I would include it WITHOUT A DOUBT NOW. Of course, I would ALSO have prefered an Intamin (not just because X is better than Y or Y is better than X) but just for the sake of variety. Some people would like to own a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, some people would prefer 2 Ferraris, some 2 Lambo's...

 

Hit the nail on the head. They could have put in something like a GCI Woodie, or that rumored B&M floorless, and that would have been great. But that would not have attracted people worldwide as much as a Giga would, even if it's kinda similar to Behemoth. Robb and Elissa are basing a possible trip next year off it. They probably would not have considered it for something smaller.

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I am dreading ...I mean heading....to the park tomorrow. If there is anything interesting happening, I'll try and post a few pictures. I don't mind the park, but it is a little on the boring side after being a season pass holder in the past. I also don't like the hour waits for rides that are just - MEH! Once my kids are just 1 inch taller, and can ride almost everything, it will make a difference I'm sure.

 

As for Leviathan - I really was hoping for an Intamin as well. I prefer their rides over B&M, but variety is nice. Ttwo big B&M scream machines just seems excessive and I think people would have clearly noted differences if they were made by different manufacturers.

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It is definitely interesting reading comments to the tune of a new attraction being "excessive", or that it isn't "deserved" so soon or that people just don't 'get it'. It's enough to make management ride a padded yellow bus to the hospital. What is it that will make enthusiasts happy?

 

I'm the first to eat a huge helping of humble pie and tasty crow for all my predictions being completely wrong because look how "badly" it turned out? It's only "another" B&M mega that is "exactly" the same as Behemoth. So yah the track record: Intamin? Nope. Dragon? Nope. Launch? Nope. Dive Machine? GG Woody? Nope. I could go on. Good job me.

 

I'm of the camp that this is as similar to Behemoth as having more than one wooden coaster in the park, which are also always 'exactly' the same and don't loop. In all honesty, I really thought that the trains would differentiate it even more from Behemoth than it already is. But then, would I sacrifice the awesomeness of having only a lap bar for something over-the-shoulders that would be on a wing rider train or floorless train on this layout? I'm not so sure.

 

Also keep in mind that Leviathan was designed as a speed machine first and foremost. So basically, if you love Millennium Force, you will most likely love this ride! I promise that I'll be done being facetious after this, but it's a good thing that we have the exact same coaster, called Behemoth, on the other side of the park for those looking for a bit of variety in terms of great airtime.

 

A cadillac of a looper, flyer or launched would have been amazing, but we already have those too and I don't think the GP would differentiate between them any more than they would between Behemoth and Leviathan.

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Honestly, I'm very excited for this ride. I think I've finally given up complaining about every little detail of recently announced coasters. I mean, it's a 300 foot cosater for a park who's best coaster 5 years ago was an Arrow. I just think CW is a different park. It's so darn big and gets so much attendance I'm sure it can support lines for two amazing coasters which are very similar. And imagine a GP (or enthusiast for that matter) going to the park, riding Behemoth and then getting even more excited for Leviathon.

 

And personally, I HATE statistics and am not the biggest B&M fan, but I think it is awesome that they finally went over 300. This is easily my most anticipated B&M coaster in the last 10 years. Just when we were all starting to complain about B&M megas being similar, they give us this. I think its awesome...

 

I mean, personally I'd rather go to CW and ride both of these beasts in the same day, paying the one admission, compared to going to Carowinds and SFOG to ride two even more similar rides, paying for 2 park admissions, gas, etc. Just one way to look at it.

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Like many who posted earlier, I love the name and logo. As far as the coaster itself, all I care to say now is that I'm looking forward to riding it. These big non-loopers (both hyper and giga) tend to have a lot of what I'm looking for in a coaster. If this has at least a couple good airtime spots to go with its height and speed, I'm sure I'll regard it well.

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I just made this account because after reading all these comments I really want to post. I'm really dumbfounded by all the negative comments towards this ride. Being from Toronto, I'm totally excited that we're getting another ride. Yes it seems similar to Behemoth, but I'm more shocked that we're actually getting another amazing coaster so quickly! For years when it was under Paramount, all we would get would be another new ride like Sledgehammer, or Shockwave, other flat rides. The newest coasters being Italian Job and Tomb Raider were less than stellar. Both were fun rides, but compared to Cedar Point or other US parks, we had nothing that was mind blowing or incredibly tall.

 

It sounds like most people that are complaining about it being too similar aren't even from the Toronto area and are more just jealous that their local park didn't get it. What's all the nonsense about other parks meant to get it like Knotts but instead they gave it to Wonderland? CW has the highest attendance of any seasonal park in North America, even more than Cedar Point. Plus the Canadian economy is much better than the US's right now, just look at the dollar difference. It's a little insulting when people act like giving it to Wonderland was an afterthought. It's very clearly designed for CW, going out into the parking lot and all. Even if it was designed for another park and for some reason that fell through, wouldn't it make more sense to say "oh let's give it to XYZ park as we really need to boost attendance there?" versus "Oh lets give it to Wonderland which already has our highest attendance of any park?"

 

You also have to realize that 99% of the people on this forum are coaster enthusiasts. To most people, they don't even know what B&M or Intamin are. At work we found out about this because they keep talking about it on the radio with the season pass advertisements. Everyone was freaking out watching the videos of it when we found the site. Not one person complained or said it looks like Behemoth or that they were disappointed, but instead couldn't wait until next year when it's done and were excited that we were getting another huge coaster so soon.

 

It's also VERY easy for people here to say "Oh they should have went with Intamin" or "they could have spend that $28 million doing this this and this". You need to stop and realize that business doesn't really work like that. I'm sure they went to Intamin and got quotes as well, but maybe it was $30 million for the same coaster. You can't compare the pricing to others in the USA, as this is a different country so there may not be the same laws or supplier relations here.

 

Any coaster is better than no coaster. Sure I would have liked to see something different, like maybe a flying coaster that's even bigger than Tatsu, something different but I'm not going to complain as Wonderland is finally starting to become a really killer park.

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...but that still won't stop me from making fun of the monotonous brake run.

 

IN THE WORLD.

 

Just out of curiosity though, how many of the average people that go to a theme park even notice or comment on the brakes on a ride? (Aside from the people that are scared to go on and worry the brakes will fail etc etc).

 

My point was just that the people on this site are roller coaster fanatics. When looking at the new ride from an average visitors point of view, the comments that most people put here dissing the ride pretty much mean nothing. Most average visitors don't even know who the manufacturer of rides are.

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My point was just that the people on this site are roller coaster fanatics. When looking at the new ride from an average visitors point of view, the comments that most people put here dissing the ride pretty much mean nothing. Most average visitors don't even know who the manufacturer of rides are.

 

The comments for the most part have not been negative. More like confused.

 

It's great that we're getting a new awesome ride. But at the same time lots of people are kind of scratching their heads wonder the reasons behind it.

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Just out of curiosity though, how many of the average people that go to a theme park even notice or comment on the brakes on a ride? (Aside from the people that are scared to go on and worry the brakes will fail etc etc).

 

My point was just that the people on this site are roller coaster fanatics. When looking at the new ride from an average visitors point of view, the comments that most people put here dissing the ride pretty much mean nothing. Most average visitors don't even know who the manufacturer of rides are.

 

Ahem.

 

...but that still won't stop me from making fun of the monotonous brake run.

 

IN THE WORLD.

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