Canada's Wonderland Discussion Thread

[Gigalyte]

that brake run alone cost 8 million!

 

I just want to ride it b/c that first drop looks amazing!

[greenspandan]

a B&M giga! holy crap! can't wait to ride it next year!

[Toro#1]

let the trip planning begin for Canada next year never been to CW or La Ronde so it will be a sweet credit trip! I love how B&M designed this more for Speed, Behemoth has the airtime with all of those camelbacks so this one will be a much different and awesome ride, very stoked about this one

[greghill]

On a side note, the 300-foot club is pretty exclusive right now, and i'm sure they'll hold the record for tallest roller coaster in Canada for a very long time.

 

Canada's Wonderland is probably starting planning for a B&M 400 footer for 2016.

Ziz, the strata flyer

[pdcon]

thumbs up to no trims, hopefully they dont put any.

[Schotcher]

thumbs up to no trims, hopefully they dont put any.

 

And pigs fly. No but even in the POV they have trims on the hills ahahaha funny funny. This will be trimmed every 5 feet. (Probably true).

[mightypotato]

^

If Behemoth is any indication, it won't be. Behemoth has three trims on it, and I've only ever felt the first one on. Even then, it was never on very strong.

[oriolat]

On a side note, the 300-foot club is pretty exclusive right now, and i'm sure they'll hold the record for tallest roller coaster in Canada for a very long time.

 

Canada's Wonderland is probably starting planning for a B&M 400 footer for 2016.

 

I think they have plans to set the world record for "Park with most record-breaking rides in Canada smashed by other record-breaking rides in the same park".

 

 

...and the second one being the most monotonous brake run...IN THE WORLD.

 

I still don't get why would they need such a long and high brake run. If anything, they should have placed a set of MCBR, like most B&M hypercoasters.

[funkeymon]

The long break run was probably because of Dragon Fire.

[asimowalk]

I think it's just cause there's no MCBR. I don't think they put one in because it would probably end up somewhere too far from the station and you'd be forced to cross through Dragon Fire and/or Courtyard just to get to it.

[DiSab]

They also might not have wanted to break up the ride's momentum with a MCBR. Similar to MF and I-305, the ride is one giant continuous circuit without a break-run interruption. The reason it's so long is likely to slow down the train adequately, as well as to have enough block sections to run 3 trains.

[Cyber.Fiber]

I think that the brake run is so long simply becuase of the fact that they need space to stack trains safely. Millennium Forces brake run would be just as long had they not had the double station. This brake run looks so out of place though simply is becuase it's situated 50+ feet in the air... Which just looks F'ed up... I'm sure that if it was lower to the ground people would be questioning why it ends so early.

 

The problem with Giga coasters is that they travel so damn fast. The track length would have to be around 10,000 ft in length if you wanted a ride to have a duration of more than 2 minutes after the lift. Obviously, that's not really feasible considering this ride is already 28 million dollars at just over 5,000 ft.

[Visioneer]

Hehehe, it's B&M's version of Millennium Force. Here's why this ride will be popular, but a Class B 300' (can you believe we're debating 300' coasters?).

 

B&M: solid thick box track, Sequoia thick solid supports, bulky trains

vs

Intamin: lattice "see-through" thin track, smaller and streamlined supports and trains

 

By default Intamin has a visual advantage the higher they go. The old school B&M hyper cars are also bulky versus Intamin style trains. The ride will be a winner, but B&M at 300' will "feel smaller" because of a reversed forced perspective. Their bulk hurts in this case. It will still look fantastic.

 

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Wing rider trains (they could engineer for the G-forces) would've been the icing on the cake to separate this ride from all others.

 

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Putting this thing in now after Behemoth (I agree; very similar) ... interesting & odd decision, but no further comment.

[harper83087]

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If Behemoth is any indication, it won't be. Behemoth has three trims on it, and I've only ever felt the first one on. Even then, it was never on very strong.

 

And to add on to what you're saying, B&M loves their floater airtime. As far as I know there really isn't a beemer with ejector air, anybody correct me if I'm wrong. So the trims could be to keep that nice floater air instead of the train flying through the hills like an old Arrow/Morgan hyper or an Intamin.

[beatle11]

^I would definitely consider Behemoth's airtime to be floater air rather than ejector air, but it gets you floating pretty quickly, and the trims are very light as well.

[Hang And Bang]

I haven't added my thoughts on Leviathan yet, so here I go! I think it looks pretty amazing. B&M has finally surpassed the 300 foot barrier. It's a milestone for both the company and coasters in general. New B&M ride styles catch on pretty quickly (look at the wingriders), and when they take on an existing ride style they tend to become really popular as well (hypers, flyers). So we may see a bit of a Giga boom in the industry because of this! As for the location, it could be built on the surface of the sun for all I care! It's a B&M giga - that's enough to get me to Canada next year! Also, I can't say enough how glad I am to see the old-style trains return. The new-style trains always feel a bit "off" to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus it's not an Intamin so Leviathan already has depedability in its favor. Just sayin'.

[Synshine]

GIga boom? That's doubtful as far as the western world is concerned: even before the massive economic recession these rides are hugely expensive for number of reasons, steel has only gotten more expensive, and very few parks have had the money or space to spend on these rides in the first place. There are FOUR of these coasters in the entire world, and it's been over a decade since they first debuted. How many inverted coasters were built in the 10 years following their debut? Hell, it also may be worth mentioning that half of these Giga coasters have been built only in the last two years. People are just caught up in the excitement of seeing these new, huge traditional coasters, but I don't see these becoming a feature at every major park yet.

 

As for the East, like China, heaven knows. It's worth nothing at this point they have not built any there and none of the parks seems to have any plans for one. And if there is any place in the industry that could be considered booming or ripe for a boom, it's China.

[rollin_n_coastin]

Hey everybody! Wow, a week has passed and true to form, it looks like posts will be modest compared to last week, up until we see vertical construction.

 

Here are two videos from CityTV Day at the park last Thursday:

 

First up, Dineen, the park's spokesperson, tells TPR a bit about Leviathan. Removing the effort of keeping this monster hidden for the past few years I'm sure has led to a huge sigh of relief and pure excitement for 2012!

 

Next up is Jennifer Valentine's Live Eye footage from Breakfast Television showing off the official announcement and all the fun challenges involved with a live morning show shoot It also provides a look at Wild Beast, a show in Medieval Fair and Drop Tower.

 

 

 

The only media outlet present was CityTV for their promo day at the park. TPR and CW's official site, CWMania were invited to attend the morning Breakfast Television shoot, enhancing the focus of the campaign, which was primarily online. It seemed to be quite effective in creating buzz within the park's fan and enthusiast base. Other media outlets picked up details from the official website, press release and through the park's PR department throughout the day.

 

A huge thanks again to Dineen, Dave, Lindsey and Breakfast Television for letting us enthusiasts tag along for a fantastic morning! All that you do for the enthusiast community is very much appreciated!

Edited August 29, 2011 by rollin_n_coastin

[snoflake15]

^ hardly TPR footage of the rides was it?

 

Looking at Wilde Beest takes me back to going on it with my 8 year old sister thinking the whole way round she was going to fly out of the seat.

[Hang And Bang]

GIga boom? That's doubtful as far as the western world is concerned: even before the massive economic recession these rides are hugely expensive for number of reasons, steel has only gotten more expensive, and very few parks have had the money or space to spend on these rides in the first place. There are FOUR of these coasters in the entire world, and it's been over a decade since they first debuted. How many inverted coasters were built in the 10 years following their debut? Hell, it also may be worth mentioning that half of these Giga coasters have been built only in the last two years. People are just caught up in the excitement of seeing these new, huge traditional coasters, but I don't see these becoming a feature at every major park yet.

 

I stand by my statement. We may not see an explosion a la the inverts of the 90s, but I still think we'll be seeing more gigas. Maybe not a ton of them, but a few.

[snoflake15]

^ I love the phrase "Giga Boom"

[asimowalk]

So I visited the park today.. It was a lax day for me since I was with a member of the GP and my main objective was to ride Windseeker which I hadn't before because it was always down. I didn't ride many rides, but it was fun day.

 

In park news, Sledge Hammer was closed and work was being done on Nightmares with a crane.

Edited February 1, 2012 by asimowalk

[adamico2]

^ That's disappointing to hear since, during my 2008 visit, they had some of the best operations I have seen at any park.

[1pizza14]

^^ That generally happens near the end of every season. All the Ops are too bored with their jobs all summer and the operations get BRUTAL. However October weekends the park is dead so that is the best time to go.

[Hang And Bang]

^ I love the phrase "Giga Boom"

 

Me too! Giga boom!!! Has a ring to it hehe