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Now the question remains, will this be a fun ride, absolutely! Will I want to ride it? You bet your @$$ I do!

 

Should have added this myself: Totally agreed. A B&M giga is still a great thing.

 

Exactly! A frakking B&M Giga for pete sake. I'm an Intamin fan boy, and I was impressed Walter and Claude took the dive. Still, some of the complaints remind me of a spoiled child complaining that his big Xmas gift wasn't what he wanted...

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^^^^I'm with you on the "meant for another park notion" but what park? It would be redundant in all CF parks. Only exceptions would be MIA, KBF and CGA which you cant for so many reasons....noise, height restrictions etc.......

 

MIA - Little too pricey of an addition for that park

KBF - Maybe but not with that layout

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Its a new ride, people go to ride new rides.

Exactly. The GP will go ride it regardless. And, if it turns out to be a GOOD ride, they will love it, regardless if it's very similar to the other ride across the park. That being said, I'm a person who prefers a bit more variety, and on top of that, hasn't been "wowed" by anything B&M has done lately. Of course, THAT being said, the only B&M hyper built in the past 10 years I felt was really notable was Behemoth.

 

I will always reserve judgement on something until I ride it, but I can still have hoped that this ride would have offered more variety for the park.

 

--Robb "Still betting this ride was originally meant for another CF park...." Alvey

 

Robb, I wish more people thought like you about not passing judgment until they've ridden it.

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^^^^I'm with you on the "meant for another park notion" but what park? It would be redundant in all CF parks. Only exceptions would be MIA, KBF and CGA which you cant for so many reasons....noise height restrictions etc.......

 

MIA - Little too pricey of an addition for that park

KBF - Maybe but not with that layout

If KBF was going to build it outside the park, like they did with GhostRider, or like they are doing with the installation at CW, they could have made it work.

 

And yes, it would have been more redundant at other CF parks, but would have made more SENSE at at park like Valleyfair, Dorney, or Worlds of Fun, who got their last "non-looping mega coaster" more than 10 years ago.

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Now that it's sunken in I do have to ay I'm disappointed with the complete absence of theming. I thought for sure the digging construction they were doing after the first drop would have been a splashdown or SOMETHING. Not a concrete ditch. Even the station looks generic as hell. Perhaps come May they'll add something.

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^^^You guys analyze and dumb down the GP way too much. They aren't that stupid and they wouldn't think a B&M flyer is the same as Tomb Raider. Its not like they are a bunch of idiots, they can tell differences between 2 things. Cool ride brah. Just...the experience seems way too close to Behemoth and actually, Behemoth looks a lot better.

 

I'm not calling them idiots, just unknowing on this subject. They don't analyze rides to the level we do. The majority just go to the park, ride the rides, eat some funnel cake and go home happy. I've showed several local non-enthusiasts friends of mine Raptor (CP) and, without fail, the first thing they say is "Oh, that's like Top Gun (CW SLC)." Remember, this is the Toronto area GP. I have no doubt that the Ohio, SoCal and Florida GP, who are a stone's throw from 3 or 4 major parks, are more educated in the coaster realm.

 

Weird because Ive had the opposite experience. But even if they "thought" it was the same thing, they would STILL go to the park, ride it and be like OMFG thats not the same. Your point doesnt include the fact that new rides still draw people in, especially locals who probably make it at least once a year trip. So while from a video it may look the same, they arent going to not go just because of that. Its a new ride, people go to ride new rides.

 

Correct. That exact thing has happened. The same people have come to CP with me, rode Raptor and basically said "that destroys Top Gun". New rides do draw people in, except a new type of ride may have a better effect. Granted, Leviathan is quite similar to Behemoth. In my opinion, CF just went with bigger and faster (or were forced to, if Robb's hunch is correct) in this case rather than radically different in order to avoid too-much-too-soon in this market. CW is doing gangbusters as far as attendance goes. My belief is that we'll see a couple of different styles of coasters hit CW over the next 10 years.

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You figure that KD and KI's last major installations were a giga and a B&M hyper, respectively. I doubt Valleyfair is in the market for such a huge ride, and Michigan's Adventure and CGA are getting the short end of the Cedar Fair stick. Cedar Point doesn't need this, and Dorney's already getting a new ride - what's left? Knott's and Canada's Wonderland. And we were all looking for a giga at Knott's - we assumed Intamin, but who knows now? I wouldn't be surprised, like Robb said, if this was headed there to run along the park border just like it will at CW come next May - until a last-minute corporate decision sent it up to Toronto.

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I think when the fall and winter goes by and you don't hear a ride announcement at Knotts Berry Farm for a Gigacoaster, you know what happened to it.

 

As far as Leviathan goes, there is really isn't too much more that I can add that hasn't already been said. The ride is tall and fast. It essentially has the same layout as Great American Scream Machine at Six Flags Over Georgia. I would like to think that a 306' tall coaster could/should have a more creative layout. But, in the end, the ride will probably be fun to ride and extremely popular. In the end, that is all that really matters.

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you know regardless of if its similar to behemoth or not it still looks amazing in the sense that its bandm's first giga coaster. if my park had two tall bandm's i would be happy, its just a matter of opinion i guess. i think it looks awesome and i would love to ride it.

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If KBF was going to build it outside the park, like they did with GhostRider, or like they are doing with the installation at CW, they could have made it work.

 

And yes, it would have been more redundant at other CF parks, but would have made more SENSE at at park like Valleyfair, Dorney, or Worlds of Fun, who got their last "non-looping mega coaster" more than 10 years ago.

 

Touché.............VF would have been a good choice.

Dorney is getting a quality Vekoma....they shouldn't need for much more

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I don't know they look pretty dark similar. Rattling mayyyy be an issue haha. I was expecting something, anything different. What the hell will Kings Island get now??? I wouldn't have a problem getting a ride like this...but they are almost exactly alike haha.

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I see Leviathan coming after Behemoth a lot like when a park builds back to back wooden coasters. Holiday World being a good example, Raven, Legend, Voyage... same type of ride but with very different layouts. That's why I'm surprised some people aren't receiving Leviathan well, it's not going to FEEL like Behemoth.

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I see Leviathan coming after Behemoth a lot like when a park builds back to back wooden coasters. Holiday World being a good example, Raven, Legend, Voyage... same type of ride but with very different layouts. That's why I'm surprised some people aren't receiving Leviathan well, it's not going to FEEL like Behemoth.

 

Do you really think that? With B&M the last 5-10 years if there's one thing I've come to expect is that the rides will FEEL exactly the same! Goliath, Goliath, Intimidator, and even the older hypers and newer ones, I could close my eyes and have no clue which one is which!

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I don't understand why people are ripping on this ride. First, It's a B&M!!! Did you really expect them to push the envelope as far as Intamin does? Even if it's taller, this ride is still just a bigger Behemoth. I'm with what Robb said, this coaster was not meant for this park.

 

The whole point is, we (TPR) were thinking it would be a Intamin-esque Giga coaster when realistically it was just a taller B&M hyper coaster. I think this ride still looks great, but I'm still sure this was not the park it was meant for.

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If KBF was going to build it outside the park, like they did with GhostRider, or like they are doing with the installation at CW, they could have made it work.

 

And yes, it would have been more redundant at other CF parks, but would have made more SENSE at at park like Valleyfair, Dorney, or Worlds of Fun, who got their last "non-looping mega coaster" more than 10 years ago.

 

Touché.............VF would have been a good choice.

Dorney is getting a quality Vekoma....they shouldn't need for much more

 

If it weren't for the noise problems, Dorney would be far and away the best location for this ride, simply because of it's proximity to two major US cities (NY and Philly) and it's park competitors, Gadv and Hershey. With Gadv's world class coaster selection, Dorney cant compete when new yorkers look for the park with the "biggest baddest" coasters. Also with Hershey getting Skyrush, i can't image people will be flocking to try Dorney's relocated Vekoma boomerang next year.

 

Ive always pictured Dorney getting a world class giga coaster on the top of the hill at the end of the midway, so that it both dominated the skyline as you enter, and could pull a Hercules and have the drop extend over the hill and have a lake turnaround. If B&Ms weren't so loud, id say a B&M giga would be the perfect ride to pull that off.

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First of all congrats to CW for this new addition and congrats to B&M for finally breaking the 300' height barrier. With that being said the layout sure seems to have some inspiration from Carowinds' Intimidator.

 

Steve, I don't get it either. It's like nothing CF builds at this height will ever eclipse Millennium Force. It is odd.

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I'm not sure what to think about this coaster. It looks like a lot of fun, but it doesn't seem to do much for a coaster of its size. I understand it already costs $28 million, but it seems to me like so much more could have been done. It just looks like a larger version of the latest round of B&M hypers. Don't get me wrong, that wouldn't be a bad thing if it were sent to a park where it would be unique, but as has been said, it seems redundant with Behemoth. If Cedar Fair really wanted to send a giga coaster to the park (I'm with those saying it looks like it was designed for another park), I think a coaster like I305 would have been a better fit.

 

Although, even with Behemoth and a less than impressive layout, the GP will still love this coaster. Cedar Fair is great at marketing their rides as being the best on the planet, and the GP from near and far travel great distances(especially for regional parks) to ride them.

 

I'll still ride the coaster if I ever make it to the park, but I'm just unimpressed with what I see right now.

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