Canada's Wonderland Discussion Thread

[jarmor]

But, the drop goes down into a trench...

[braztaz]

^Exactly.

 

 

It does dip a bit below ground level. Which could be enough to break the record...

[PCW_Nut]

RCDB lists the height as 306', which probably means ground to top of lift. So unless the first drop is going all the way to ground level through a trench or something, I doubt it will actually be longer than 300'.

 

The track is about 1-2 feet below the trench level. so, potentially it could break the 300' record.

 

EDIT: sorry kind of repeated a previous post but ya.

[sammmmmy]

If anybody's ever been or driven by CW, you know how huge Behemoth looks. With this monster next to behemoth, its going to look insane. Absolutely insane!

[coasters300+]

Seem that Leviathan is on the ground above the parking lots and my guess it will be approx 10 feet. So the drop height will be approx 316 feet. See the photo.

[UniverseHollywood]

^Judging from that photo and the arrow and adjusting it to scale, I'd say the drop is definitely more like 317 feet and 8 inches, exactly.

[eddie200330]

^ Doesn't Canada use the metric system???

[PCW_Nut]

Seem that Leviathan is on the ground above the parking lots and my guess it will be approx 10 feet. So the drop height will be approx 316 feet. See the photo.

 

That's actually just a hill going into the park. The first support for the pullout of the drop on the left of your pic is actually ground level to the parking lot. You can see the supports go lower then that hill in the back, however from where the bottom of the lift hill starts to where the drop bottoms out, there appears to be some sort of slight, maybe a few feet, elevation change.

 

I've never walked it obviously as its off limits, but I do think we're going to see the 300 ft record broken.

[DougMJr]

^ I feel like that is the whole point of the trench. I don't see a reason for it to dip into a plain (and kinda ugly) concrete trench if it wasn't to push it over 300 ft.

[PCW_Nut]

Yup, makes sense to me.

[Dom497]

When you look at some pictures, it appears as if the top of the track is at the same height as the parking lot

[eddie200330]

These 2 pix make it look like it ever so slightly dips below ground level.......

[PCW_Nut]

Going to post a close up of the trench in like 5min Just re-sizing now.

[PCW_Nut]

Here are two shots that shows roughly how low the track actually dips below ground level.

 

EDIT: Sorry guys, had to remove these photos.

Edited November 29, 2011 by PCW_Nut

[Intimidator305]

The trench could be there to make the drop 300'... Remember, the ride should be 306' tall from directly under the crest. The parking lot could be 6' higher in elevation than at the moment where the crest is causing the need for the trench to make it a true "giga". The drop going over that hill with the trees between the parking lot and Dragon Fire is messing with the perspective...

 

Would Cedar Fair really let another ride beat the record of MF? We have to remember we are dealing with the company who made Intimidator 5 feet shorter and Leviathan 4 feet shorter than MF!

[Skycoastin Steve]

300 feet isn't the record for a traditional lift coaster, that belongs to Steel Dragon, which has a drop of 306' 9".

[coasterfreak101]

Will nobody ever understand the concept that a "giga" or a "hyper" has a height of 300'/200' AND/OR a drop of 300'/200'? Magnum XL-200 has a drop of 194 feet. Does anyone not consider that a hyper? No. This would be a "real giga" without that trench. But I think we're seeing that trench solely to push this ride over all the rest - a 306-foot roller coaster could probably have a drop of 300' even, but if you dig a ten-foot trench and level out a few feet below, you've got a 306-308' drop, which could take the record.

[larrygator]

Will nobody ever understand the concept that a "giga" or a "hyper" has a height of 300'/200' AND/OR a drop of 300'/200'?

 

From what dictionary are you getting those definitions?

[coasterfreak101]

^From the dictionary that tells me that Magnum XL-200 is the world's first hypercoaster.

[larrygator]

^From the dictionary that tells me that Magnum XL-200 is the world's first hypercoaster.

 

So you realize those titles were just made up as a marketing ploy by Cedar Fair, right?

[coasterfreak101]

But don't we use them every time a new coaster that breaks those barriers come out? Shambhala is a hyper, not in a Cedar Fair park? And so are the Supermans, and Steel Dragon is a giga... Sure, it's a marketing term. But we've been using them ever since, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

[larrygator]

But don't we use them every time a new coaster that breaks those barriers come out? Shambhala is a hyper, not in a Cedar Fair park? And so are the Supermans, and Steel Dragon is a giga... Sure, it's a marketing term. But we've been using them ever since, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

No real problem, but is there really a difference between 199 feet 11 1/2 inches or 200 feet?

Is a 200 foot coaster different than a 299 foot coaster? There are both classified in the same category.

To me a 299 foot coaster has more in common with a 300 foot coaster, yet people argue that one is a hyper and one's a giga.

 

Then again I'm one of those people that has never used those terms when refering to a coaster. I just state the real height.

Edited November 23, 2011 by larrygator

[coasterfreak101]

I agree with you there, I'm just one for categories, I suppose. The only reason I brought it up is that most would agree that Magnum is a "hyper," so by that same logic even if Leviathan's drop didn't break 300' then it would still too be considered a "giga." For those who care about those labels, of course.

 

But really though I just like roller coasters, and I need to dig out my passport for this next summer!

[braztaz]

^^That's something that's always bugged me as well; like when someone says Griffon is better than Sheikra because it's "taller". Do you really notice that you're five feet higher up than before? Do you really say "Oh wow, this definitely feels like 205 feet!".

 

That little of a difference in height has never mattered to me, either.

[swiver]

^Well I don't really like Griffon better than SheiKra because it's higher. I like it better because it has weird and random airtime hills, whereas SheiKra kind of just turns back into the station.

 

But on a Canada's Wonderland related note, this first drop on Leviathan looks like it's gonna be insane. I'd even dare to say that it's probably going to have the best airtime of any hill on a B&M coaster.