Evolution or Creationism

[coasterfan200692]

Why does that matter? I'm not going by the dictionary or the scientific explination, I'm talking about an idea that is based on gatherings and is not fact.

 

Because to qualify as a "theory" it has to fulfill the criteria of the scientific explanation, so your logic is deeply flawed. The "gatherings" (what does this even mean?) it is based on are tens of thousands of repeatable and controlled experiments.

 

And why aren't you answering my question?

When I said why does it matter I was responding to the question, not the theory definition.

[Wes]

This is all I've been trying to say, I'm sorry if you disagree but get over it, and I don't understand why you are arguing with me. I said in my first post I was simply stating my views and did not want to change anyones minds or have my mind changed. Simply put, I don't care what you say and you should read peoples posts better. It's been fun talking with you all, and once again GBYA, you need it.

 

If you didn't want your post commented on, you shouldn't have posted them.

 

No one is arguing with you, they are addressing your points with points of their own. No one is being rude to you as far as I can see, they are simply commenting on what you posted.

 

You seem very defensive. Again, you simply cannot post something and then not expect a response.

 

On a semi-related note...

 

This thread has remained very civil, I'm very pleasantly surprised considering the level of differing opinions on this issue. While there are certain discussion topics that I don't believe are right for TPR, this thread gives me good hope that TPR members can intelligently and considerately debate certain issues. So thanks to everyone for making this thread work! You've proved me wrong!

 

[ginzo]

While there are certain discussion topics that I don't believe are right for TPR

 

Does this mean that a thread about midget porn is out?

[derwood]

^^ I believe Wes is the only true God.

 

 

 

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[Wes]

While there are certain discussion topics that I don't believe are right for TPR

 

Does this mean that a thread about midget porn is out?

 

No, infact I think there should be an entire subforum for midget porn!

[MisterP]

I believe the Earth was created by a young member of a master race of monkey-octopus hybrid creatures that were about 4000 feet tall. I heard the youngster created it in a huge petri dish for his 7th grade science project.

 

Hey, its easier for me to believe than Creationism.

[QuakerOaties]

As I said earlier, I never said that creationism should be taught in the classroom, please read my posts all the way before responding, thanks.

 

Infact, I did read all of your posts. All points brought up in my post were to show you why I think that some people believe that there is the mentality that evolution is fact.

 

I'd appreciate it if you read my posts closely before responding. Thanks.

[Robgraves]

While there are certain discussion topics that I don't believe are right for TPR

 

Does this mean that a thread about midget porn is out?

 

No, infact I think there should be an entire subforum for midget porn!

 

only if its midget hobo porn....

[BiCoastal Kid]

Almost doesn't cut it. You can't say it's close enough to be fact so it is. No, thats not how it works. And when I was growing up I had one teacher tell the class spacifically that evolution was based on theories and is not a proven fact.

Even if it makes sense to teach as fact it does not make it right. It should be made very clear that it is not proven and the point is, its not.

As I said earlier, I never said that creationism should be taught in the classroom, please read my posts all the way before responding, thanks.

 

 

This is said with all due respect, but the Bible is nothing but a collection of stories written by men that were either divinely inspired, going off of passed-down stories, or more than likely writing of of what they witnessed(or observed) and yet you believe it is fact. Scientific theories are presented in the exact same way, and also provide with a means to test the presented ideas. So the problem isn't their methodology, it's simply your decision to place more faith in one than the other.

 

If you would just leave it as "I don't believe in evolution" or more correctly "I don't understand evolution" instead of trying, and failing, to debase it you probably wouldn't have received so many responses.

[AndrewCT]

I believe in atleast one of them. That's all I'm sayin.

[dandaman]

I believe that God created the Earth, but I also believe that things evolved over time.

 

My thoughts exactly. Since there's no "both" option, I didn't really vote.

 

Dan "Jesus vs. Darwin!" Smith

[coasterfan200692]

Almost doesn't cut it. You can't say it's close enough to be fact so it is. No, thats not how it works. And when I was growing up I had one teacher tell the class spacifically that evolution was based on theories and is not a proven fact.

Even if it makes sense to teach as fact it does not make it right. It should be made very clear that it is not proven and the point is, its not.

As I said earlier, I never said that creationism should be taught in the classroom, please read my posts all the way before responding, thanks.

 

 

This is said with all due respect, but the Bible is nothing but a collection of stories written by men that were either divinely inspired, going off of passed-down stories, or more than likely writing of of what they witnessed(or observed) and yet you believe it is fact. Scientific theories are presented in the exact same way, and also provide with a means to test the presented ideas. So the problem isn't their methodology, it's simply your decision to place more faith in one than the other.

 

If you would just leave it as "I don't believe in evolution" or more correctly "I don't understand evolution" instead of trying, and failing, to debase it you probably wouldn't have received so many responses.

No, I don't think Ill do that because I do understand evolution and thats why I think its a load of crap. Honestly, I don't mind the responses but a lot of them are misunderstandings on there part, not mine. And as put earlier, I was not trying to prove evolution wrong but only stating my view, it was the others peoples desicion to counter my thoughts and prove them wrong.

[coasterfan200692]

As I said earlier, I never said that creationism should be taught in the classroom, please read my posts all the way before responding, thanks.

 

Infact, I did read all of your posts. All points brought up in my post were to show you why I think that some people believe that there is the mentality that evolution is fact.

 

I'd appreciate it if you read my posts closely before responding. Thanks.

I wasn't talking to you and I did read your post completely.

[BiCoastal Kid]

Heres a little view of my thoughts.(Im not trying to argue or any of the sort, lets try and prove wes wrong!) How could any body justify or even have dignity thinking that we came from a monkey? (gorilla arrangatang what the hell ever.) Lets skip all the religious stuff and go strieght to the facts, the only ape-human reamains found were proven to be fake were someone had put the reamains of the 2 and combined them, with out this type of un-questionable proof it is still just a theory. You could say the same about my religious views but I feel there is proof all over the place but were not going to go there because of the strict guidlines of what appropriate and whats not. Also, if you believe in evolution and don't believe that a superior created us and all around, how do you explain the world? There is know way that all of the living conditions on this planet are just a coincidendce! (spelling-I dont know) I feel it would be strange that the only palnet that has the most inteligent beings and life was just a result of dust and giant explosions. If this were the case, Why didn't we end up like the other planets? Oh well we have our opinions and thoughts. please, dont fight with me, I dont intend to change anyones mind and I'm not going to change mine. So please save it. Thanks. GBYA!

 

If you really understood evolution, or any of the ideas around it or anything about probability, you wouldn't have said those things unless you were going out of your way to sound like you didn't understand. I'm sorry if I'm mistaken, but as said before, you shouldn't post these kinda of things without anticipating a response.

[nyanko]

No, I don't think Ill do that because I do understand evolution and thats why I think its a load of crap. Honestly, I don't mind the responses but a lot of them are misunderstandings on there part, not mine. And as put earlier, I was not trying to prove evolution wrong but only stating my view, it was the others peoples desicion to counter my thoughts and prove them wrong.

 

You do not understand evolution and if anybody is misunderstanding you it is because you are very poor at getting your point across in an articulate and intelligent manner. Honestly, it is really that hard to use spell checking and try to use proper grammar? It sort of discredits your very tangible arrogance to make so many grammatical errors.

 

-Natalie "at least if I act arrogant, I back it up with my presentation!" Villani

[ginzo]

You do not understand evolution and if anybody is misunderstanding you it is because you are very poor at getting your point across in an articulate and intelligent manner. Honestly, it is really that hard to use spell checking and try to use proper grammar? It sort of discredits your very tangible arrogance to make so many grammatical errors.

 

-Natalie "at least if I act arrogant, I back it up with my presentation!" Villani

 

You're basically in a no-win situation here. Evolution, to a creationist, isn't real because you can't directly observe speciation. Of course, to want to directly observe a process that takes tens of thousands of years is an absurd standard. Creation, of course, isn't held to this same insane standard.

[coasterfan200692]

I'm not sure who your post was directed at but I'm not trying to when anything. I've said this many times before. And as for you, Natelie, you don't have to go and insult someone because there is a debate. A may not be the smartest person but I have my faith and thats all I need. If people are going to start acting that immature, then I'll back out. But, I still feel I was misunderstood in the fact that this was not supposed to be a fight, debate, argument, or anything of the sort. I was simply stating my view. (This does not mean that I did not expect responses.)

[ParkTrips]

I don't think she was all that off - it's not too much to ask for a well-manicured post. Like she said, it makes you look more intelligent, even if you believe in creationism

[nyanko]

You're basically in a no-win situation here. Evolution, to a creationist, isn't real because you can't directly observe speciation. Of course, to want to directly observe a process that takes tens of thousands of years is an absurd standard. Creation, of course, isn't held to this same insane standard.

 

Oh I know that there is no convincing of anybody who is so resolute in their opinions. However for the sport of debate and for people reading this who may not completely understand because they haven't been taught yet or for whatever reason I feel that it is important to counter the arguments and points brought up by someone who believes something different and goes so far as to make statements that display a lack of knowledge on the matter.

 

coasterfan: I'm not really insulting you, it is just that your posts were a little hard to read because of the language barrier that seemed to exist.

[thomas2]

Evolution without doubt.

 

To me this discussion is irrelevant: religion isn't purely theoretical so it shouldn't be involved into a question like this.

 

Instead of trying to solve the conflict, we should try to live with it.

[samisthabomb]

We're here. The end.

[AJClarke0912]

I believe that God created the Earth, but I alos believe that things evolved over time.

 

That sums it up for me!

[HCLcoasters]

God created evolution. That's what I beleive.

[Ace Of Spades]

Evolution for moi. I've been in and out of the Catholic School system in the past, so I've seen (and participated in, those were "fun") numerous debates on the subject (mostly against teachers and the "Jesus Loves Me" kids).

 

And for the last time people, even though many of us act like them, we aren't monkeys.

[the ghost]

Evolution.

 

I was brought up in the church, but am quickly turning from religion. It just has never made things easier or anything and I kind of feel like church is one of my many college classes where I scratch my head and wonder "when am I going to use this in life."

 

I personally believe everything is kind of a cycle and I do not believe everything happens for a reason. Our race was and is very lucky as each event, such as the big bang, created a somewhat luck based cycle that began human evolution. Religion is fine, but I honestly believe many religious people choose to turn to religion because it makes them feel good or helps them answers questions that do not really have answers. Evolution is one of those things, we will never know 100% what happened where or why or how it happened, despite having very good ideas based on science, and books like the bible and explain what happened very simply despite not working with scientific data. There will never necessarily be a right view point, just one is based on a system of beliefs and one is based on science. The real question is are you willing to put your faith in scientists who supposedly have data? Or will you follow ancient teachings and have faith in a god that is all powerful and created earth. Personally I have more faith in the scientists, but I would never question anyone choosing to have faith in god. In the end its all a matter of science versus faith IMO.