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  • 2 months later...

The area around the SkyFly will be called Airshow '71 ...

 

 

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I think the Wave Swinger goes here...

 

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...and the Red Baron over here:

 

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And new colors for the existing Balloon Race:

 

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photos: Holiday Park & PubliX

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  • 3 months later...

The park has presented its proposal for a new waterpark to the city of Hassloch.

 

The city has been debating whether they should renovate the existing public swimming pool, or build a new one.

Plopsa's proposal is of course for a new one, as part of a waterpark at Holiday Park.

 

edit:

To clarify, this is about Plopsa including a "normal swimming pool" in its waterpark.

 

 

Plopsa / Holiday Park:

 

  • - would pay for the construction
    - Plopsa would operate it
    - includes all future costs and renovations
    - would build on its own property

 

the city of Hassloch:

 

  • - would pay €900,000 every year for the next 25 years
    - €120,000 annually from the 26th year
     
    - locals would only pay €6 for a day at the entire waterpark (compared to €25)
    - there would also be free parking for locals
    - locals would always have access, even when the park is full for other guests
     
    - income from tickets sold to locals would fully go to the city
    - the city mentions 40,000 locals visited the current swimming pool in 2014
    - if the same number of people would visit the new pool, the city would receive €224,000 from tickets
    - this reduces the annual investment from 900,000 to €676,000
    - from the 26th year they would be making a profit of €104,000 a year
     
    - the city currently has an annual loss of 1.6 million on the existing swimming pool
    - a major renovation would cost at least 8.5 million

 

some other facts:

 

  • - the indoor park would be open year-round
    - the outdoor area from April to September
    - indoor park includes wave pool and slides, as well as a 25m competition pool, and a smaller pool for kids
    - outdoor park includes a water playground, and a second heated 25m competition pool
    - some areas themed to Maja, Heidi, Wickie, etc.
    - construction would take 28 months

 

 

Plopsa also confirmed there are plans for an indoor themepark and a hotel, both with a year-round opening in mind.

 

 

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source: Holly-Info

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^ So the whole thing is pretty much indoors? That looks nice. Controlled temperature, etc.

 

Sounds like you haven't seen Plopsaland's waterpark yet?

 

 

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At a quick glance it sounds like a pretty great deal but once you get down to the numbers it seems the town would get shafted.

 

900,000 Euro per year for the first 25 years paid by the town which would be tax money.

6 Euro per visit for locals.

25 Euro per visit for non-locals.

 

Taking that 19 Euro difference, let's do a little math to see how much it covers the tax money. They claimed that 40,000 locals visited the pool in 2014.

 

19 * 40,000 = 760,000

 

Eesh, that's no good. The town is paying an additional 140,000 Euro for a complimentary parking lot. Hardly seems worth it to me. The idea for the park is nice and would certainly be a welcome addition, but this "deal" they're offering is crap. Just make it a standard admission across the board and locals will buy a season pass if they want to go often.

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At a quick glance it sounds like a pretty great deal but once you get down to the numbers it seems the town would get shafted.

May I suggest you take a longer glance? :p

Because you're missing some key details.

 

1) The city's current swimming pool costs €6 as well. That's why the deal mentions €6. You're suggesting a 300% increase?

 

2) Without the city's investment, Plopsa probably won't build a swimming pool. They would probably still build a waterpark, yes, but not a swimming pool. The deal is about a regular old swimming pool for lane swimming. For schools and stuff.

 

3) The city would pay ~600,000 euro annually for this deal, which is a bargain considering they currently pay 1.6 million for an outdated complex in need of an 8.5 million renovation.

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How are they taking a 1.6 million Euro loss on an old pool?

 

Welcome to socialist Europe. All public pools are always run with a big loss. People never realizes that the subsidized entry prices is coming from their own tax money.

 

Not saying it shouldn't be that way for a public pool, but tax financed businesses is almost always hugely ineffective.

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The plans for the new waterpark look great! Plopsaqua in Belgium is a pretty big success, so I suspected that there would be more of these waterparks. It'll be interesting to see how this one will turn out.

 

Are they any updates from the area around the SkyFly?

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What are the seat belts like on Expedition Geforce? I'm a tight fit for the seatbelts (but not restraints) on Millennium Force, wondering if I have to worry if I plan an impromptu visit soon. I'm usually fine on most Intamins, it's only the seatbelts on the ones at Cedar Point that take some extra help from the operator.

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What are the seat belts like on Expedition Geforce? I'm a tight fit for the seatbelts (but not restraints) on Millennium Force, wondering if I have to worry if I plan an impromptu visit soon. I'm usually fine on most Intamins, it's only the seatbelts on the ones at Cedar Point that take some extra help from the operator.

 

I'm a big guy, and while the seat belts at CP were extremely tight for me (and sometimes needed op assistance on MF/TTD) the ones on EGF were not a problem.

 

Thanks for the reply! Hopefully I'll make it there in the next few months on a last minute flight!

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Hey guys, I have a question for the die-hard Holiday Park enthusiasts out there. I'm sure this has been answered before somewhere and tried doing some searches to no avail.

 

Why exactly does Expedition GeForce run with the second-generation Intamin front zero car and front car, then the rest of the train with first-gen Intamin train cars?

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Hey guys, I have a question for the die-hard Holiday Park enthusiasts out there. I'm sure this has been answered before somewhere and tried doing some searches to no avail.

 

Why exactly does Expedition GeForce run with the second-generation Intamin front zero car and front car, then the rest of the train with first-gen Intamin train cars?

 

Interesting. I've never been to Holiday Park, but I believe the coaster is like that because it was built in 2001. It was built after the first-generation hypers at SFNE, SFA, and DL (1999-2000), but before the second-generation ones like Goliath and Thunder Dolphin (2002-2003).

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I think it depends from a coaster to coaster basis. Superman at SFNE previously ran with a first-gen lead car too, but it was upgraded when they got new trains. Ride of Steel at Darien Lake got a new train this year, and it is completely modeled like the first generation style. Of course both EGF and Superman have much larger and more twisted layouts, which may contribute to the decision.

 

Although Ride of Steel's train is designed like a first generation model, all of the electronic and mechanical components have been upgraded.

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