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^I guess my question is this: Does World Showcase have a "marquee attraction" now? The biggest attraction there is probably the American Adventure animatronic show, which is pretty elaborate; then you have Maelstrom and Gran Fiesta Tour (which I would classify as "D" and "C" attractions, respectively) and some movies. The area itself is beautiful and fun to wander around in (especially during Food & Wine).

 

While I doubt that Frozen will be an "E ticket," it will give World Showcase a boost.

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^I guess my question is this: Does World Showcase have a "marquee attraction" now? The biggest attraction there is probably the American Adventure animatronic show, which is pretty elaborate; then you have Maelstrom and Gran Fiesta Tour (which I would classify as "D" and "C" attractions, respectively) and some movies. The area itself is beautiful and fun to wander around in (especially during Food & Wine).

 

While I doubt that Frozen will be an "E ticket," it will give World Showcase a boost.

 

Wasn't "Frozen Summer Fun" a massive hit and garnered tons of crowds to DHS? If a stage show can do that, I think you can imagine an actual Frozen ride is going to bring in even more. This will be an E-Ticket for Epcot for sure.

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^I guess my question is this: Does World Showcase have a "marquee attraction" now? The biggest attraction there is probably the American Adventure animatronic show, which is pretty elaborate; then you have Maelstrom and Gran Fiesta Tour (which I would classify as "D" and "C" attractions, respectively) and some movies. The area itself is beautiful and fun to wander around in (especially during Food & Wine).

 

While I doubt that Frozen will be an "E ticket," it will give World Showcase a boost.

 

Wasn't "Frozen Summer Fun" a massive hit and garnered tons of crowds to DHS? If a stage show can do that, I think you can imagine an actual Frozen ride is going to bring in even more. This will be an E-Ticket for Epcot for sure.

 

It's difficult to without knowing what Disney has in mind--making a complete overhaul of the old attraction, or performing a "makeover," like they did for Test Track.

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It's difficult to without knowing what Disney has in mind--making a complete overhaul of the old attraction, or performing a "makeover," like they did for Test Track.

 

Judging that the ride isn't scheduled to open in 2016, it should be something huge. Test Track was only closed for 7 months, Maelstrom looks like it will be closed for closer to 15 months.

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I guess what I don't understand about all of the craziness surrounding this announcement is that it's a theme park. It's not a cultural exchange or an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. It hasn't been for a long time. You know why? Because people complained and made fun of it!!! So now Epcot has been putting in more fun rides, more rides for children, and more events. Why is this a bad thing? They're making money, the park is more fun for everyone, and it's awesome!

 

This park was punishment for children in the late 80's and early 90's. We went there for French Club field trips and were miserable. Now it's Kristen's favorite park of all the Florida Disney's and she can't wait for a Frozen ride. Sounds like they're going for their target demographic and doing a great job!

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^Then there's the case of a friend of mine in Williamsburg. When he moved down here from New Hampshire, he was convinced that "Busch Gardens: The Old Country" was some sort of museum or cultural experience. I think he discovered he was mistaken when he noticed the roller coaster with the interlocking loops in the park's center.

 

I think Epcot walks the line between "cultural experience" and "theme park" pretty well, especially with events like Food & Wine, which really is a "cultural experience" (not to mention delicious).

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Smart move by Disney. A movie that has grossed 1.2 billion worldwide is obviously something to continue to capitalize on in the parks.

 

I think a lot of people criticizing this whole thing are people who just aren't into Frozen, which makes sense. If a bunch of young girls were posting here, there would be a lot less complaining. This addition just isn't meant for the middle-aged male demographic, which is why it is being criticized here.

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I hope they introduce a new ride system or find a way to increase capacity if the existing one. If they just re-do the ride as is that thing will be a capacity nightmare with gigantic lines.

 

I'm glad to see some new attractions coming to the world schowacse. I love EPCOT, my favorite park in orlando, but the showcase could uses something new and hopefully this is just the start of great things to come for that park.

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I guess what I don't understand about all of the craziness surrounding this announcement is that it's a theme park. It's not a cultural exchange or an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. It hasn't been for a long time. You know why? Because people complained and made fun of it!!! So now Epcot has been putting in more fun rides, more rides for children, and more events. Why is this a bad thing? They're making money, the park is more fun for everyone, and it's awesome!

 

This park was punishment for children in the late 80's and early 90's. We went there for French Club field trips and were miserable. Now it's Kristen's favorite park of all the Florida Disney's and she can't wait for a Frozen ride. Sounds like they're going for their target demographic and doing a great job!

 

This is so true. "Theme purists" are the most insane people in the world. Epcot is not meant to

be a museum or series of diplomats...its first and foremost a theme park meant to entertain people.

 

Now, thats not to say I dont appreciate the educational aspects of Epcot. But a Frozen ride isnt going to change the elaborate land that it resides in. The shops are full of neat little cultural tidbits and the dining outlets will still serve authentic food. A ride based on Disney's most popular animated film wont take away from the environment its in that has already been constructed. But at the end of the day its a theme park meant to entertain its guests.

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^ Purism isn't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to amusement parks. Gutting theming results in things like parking lot roller coasters or Medusa hiding out in a frontier mine or so on. Without purist ideals, every theme park would be following the Six Flags model by now.

 

That said, Disney is still the gold standard of purism. While doubt is healthy over an announcement like this, putting a fairy tale ride in a theme park area that is decidedly not meant to cater to the fairy tale aspects of Disney, they are actually matching a fairy tale setting to its real life geographical equivalent. It will bring people to a side of Epcot that they wouldn't otherwise go lest for shopping and food, it will sell more tickets to multiple parks since the kids will undoubtedly be all over Frozen... seriously, everything about this announcement is a good thing and does not spell the end of the World Village as we know it to be.

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While doubt is healthy over an announcement like this, putting a fairy tale ride in a theme park area that is decidedly not meant to cater to the fairy tale aspects of Disney, they are actually matching a fairy tale setting to its real life geographical equivalent. It will bring people to a side of Epcot that they wouldn't otherwise go lest for shopping and food, it will sell more tickets to multiple parks since the kids will undoubtedly be all over Frozen... seriously, everything about this announcement is a good thing and does not spell the end of the World Village as we know it to be.

If more people were able to use logic as you have I'm sure there would be a lot fewer upset people over the announcement and less people banned from our Twitter, Facebook, and Forum pages.

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It's difficult to without knowing what Disney has in mind--making a complete overhaul of the old attraction, or performing a "makeover," like they did for Test Track.

 

Judging that the ride isn't scheduled to open in 2016, it should be something huge. Test Track was only closed for 7 months, Maelstrom looks like it will be closed for closer to 15 months.

 

Apples and oranges. TT got repainted and had some lighting, video and redressing of old sets.

 

This redo will most likely rip out all the existing sets and install new ones surrounding the existing flume. Most likely some sophisticated AAs of Frozen characters. Not a tiny overlay, but 15 to 17 months seems about right.

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I am all for this overlay. I liked Frozen, but don't necessarily have the hard on for it that others do. With that said, Anna and Elsa are HAWT! And I am all about adding HAWTNESS to anything. So I say, Go Disney! Just please don't change the bevy of A+++ talent you have working in that gift shop.

 

Ooooooo! While your at it, when your done with Norway. Can you add a whole lot of that red headed vixen Merida to Ireland? She screams for her own dark ride. (Take that last statement however you want.)

 

Guy "New mission is bringing sexy back to EPCOT." Koepp

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I spent the majority of the day at Epcot Saturday for the first time forever and had a great day except for my meal in Japan. I used to love the quick server there when it was still the Yakatori house but for whatever reason it seemed like the new Katsura Grill was just awful. It doesn't seem like the menu changed that drastically but the meal I got was terrible. On the plus side the quick serve in Morocco and the new location in France were amazing.

 

I also finally got to fully experience the new Test Track. I did single rider a few times previously but this time we waited through the normal stand by line to check out the whole design studio which was really impressive. It was a lot fun building our own car and seeing it's "results" throughout the ride experience. I still wish they would have done something to the outside section but overall that refurbishment was really solid and Test Track is still one of the best attractions at WDW.

 

Also, being at Epcot 5 days before the start of Food and Wine was a real punch in the gut. I could see all of the booths blocked off by giant planters but couldn't sample anything but oh well, just gives me an excuse to go back!

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I went back to the first page of this thread from 2005 only to find some people decrying the addition of Soarin' because it didn't fit in with The Land pavilion's theme. 9 years later it has shown a consistent ability to be one of Epcot's most popular attractions, and has had the ability to draw people into the Land pavilion that would never have gone in there before. Many more families have ridden Living with the Land and eaten at Seasons and Garden Grill too. In fact, I'd theorize that the refurbs to both Seasons and Garden Grill would not have happened as fast or as great as they were had Soarin' have never been built.

 

Just goes to show you that some people will denounce basically any new attraction, no matter how amazing it is or how much it makes complete sense for it to be built in its location, because they resist a change to that location. Fact is that times change. The parks must change with the passing of time or they will die. These additions might bend theme consistency slightly, but that's no reason at all whatsoever to not do them and lose the huge gains they bring. Same thing goes for this announcement of Frozen coming to Norway.

 

Turning Malestrom into Frozen will ensure a HUGE amount of traffic will always be in Norway Pavilion, Akershaus will be permanently booked up, and a LOT of families will now take the time in World Showcase that they never would before because they feared their kids would be dreadfully bored. That's a GOOD thing for everybody! The purists should understand this and be happy too, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

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Turning Malestrom into Frozen will ensure a HUGE amount of traffic will always be in Norway Pavilion, Akershaus will be permanently booked up, and a LOT of families will now take the time in World Showcase that they never would before because they feared their kids would be dreadfully bored. That's a GOOD thing for everybody! The purists should understand this and be happy too, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

 

I mean, Akershus is pretty consistently booked already... why? It's a princess meal in WDW. Which is also important to note - the themeing ship has sailed, friends... since Cindy, Aurora, etcetera have been "visiting" Norway for what, over a decade now?

 

This is all going to make Norway the biggest draw in World Showcase by a LONG shot. At least in terms of pavilions/attractions. One has to be concerned that doing this as an overlay/gutting of the existing buildings/ride system is going to leave poor Norway overwhelmed by the Frozen-obsessed guests. I mean, seriously, I can already name families that will be planning trips JUST FOR THIS as soon as word gets out.

 

So, the bigger issue is this:

I hope they introduce a new ride system or find a way to increase capacity if the existing one. If they just re-do the ride as is that thing will be a capacity nightmare with gigantic lines.

 

Maelstrom already had lines... at times. For Epcot, that's a big deal! Add Disney's most successful movie in 2 generations? Nightmare!

 

Not going "full boat" and putting in a higher capacity ride system is going to bite them in the butt in 2016.

 

Anyone have thoughts of whether they can reverse the ride pre-show/post-show flow and use the giant theater area as a pre-show? Or are we all just assuming that space becomes a meet-and-greet and there's going to be 2 hour standby lines snaking out to the World Showcase promenade somehow?

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Turning Malestrom into Frozen will ensure a HUGE amount of traffic will always be in Norway Pavilion, Akershaus will be permanently booked up, and a LOT of families will now take the time in World Showcase that they never would before because they feared their kids would be dreadfully bored. That's a GOOD thing for everybody! The purists should understand this and be happy too, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

 

I mean, Akershus is pretty consistently booked already... why? It's a princess meal in WDW. Which is also important to note - the themeing ship has sailed, friends... since Cindy, Aurora, etcetera have been "visiting" Norway for what, over a decade now?

 

Exactly. And how much has this REALLY impacted the actual theming of Norway? Has anyone in the last ten years walked into Norway and went "Oh, man, with those non-Norwegian princesses somewhere in that building over there, this place has really gone to hell!"

 

Nobody has said this. Ever.

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Turning Malestrom into Frozen will ensure a HUGE amount of traffic will always be in Norway Pavilion, Akershaus will be permanently booked up, and a LOT of families will now take the time in World Showcase that they never would before because they feared their kids would be dreadfully bored. That's a GOOD thing for everybody! The purists should understand this and be happy too, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

 

I mean, Akershus is pretty consistently booked already... why? It's a princess meal in WDW. Which is also important to note - the themeing ship has sailed, friends... since Cindy, Aurora, etcetera have been "visiting" Norway for what, over a decade now?

 

Exactly. And how much has this REALLY impacted the actual theming of Norway? Has anyone in the last ten years walked into Norway and went "Oh, man, with those non-Norwegian princesses somewhere in that building over there, this place has really gone to hell!"

 

Nobody has said this. Ever.

 

Oh, I'm sure some blogger will at some point.

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