Jump to content
  TPR Home | Parks | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube | Instagram 

Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

Recommended Posts

I got to ride Raptor 4 times today. what a solid coaster! it was awesome.

 

They were running 3 train operations from the beginning, so it would appear the train wasn't hurt, and not set aside for any investigation.

 

You wonder what was the last thing going through the guy's mind before the accident....

maybe a swiss invert train?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why on Earth would they change the name just because some idiot did this to himself?

 

The death made it on national news tonight if you don't think the same media that had a field day with numerous topics this summer wouldn't go to town with a coaster themed to a death omen when someone just died at the park...

 

Valravn is the most vague name though. Is folklore, I couldn't find anywhere online where it was referred to as a "death omen".You guys are being ridiculous. It's a fairytale name at this point.

 

If it is out there, the media will find it. It's not being ridiculous, it's the park preventing a potential major backlash.

 

I guess the park should rename Raptor too since it's a bird of prey?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

^And you may in fact be right, but that just depresses me more! We live in a society where it's the parks fault that this idiot did something stupid and a place where someone sues a restaurant that specializes in throwing rolls for getting hit with a throwed roll.

 

Or the lady that sued McDonalds for not having a hot label on coffee cups. Then there's somebody who sued a fast food place for only getting one napkin with their meal. The list just goes on and on. If people just used some common sense and follow the rules, there wouldn't be so many restrictions and dollars wasted on safety warnings everywhere.

 

Not to take this super OT but I used to use that coffee lawsuit all the time about frivolous lawsuits.... there's a lot more to the story on that one; watch the documentary "Hot Coffee". It goes a little more in depth about the damaged the "hot coffee" did, it wasn't pretty...and not very frivolous in the end.

 

On Topic....I don't feel sorry for the dude, and I am disappointed the announcement date has been pushed back because of idiocy...boo.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think it's a good discussion to have, because it could be implemented at other parks.

 

For me, what Universal is communicating is "all our guests are idiots" and while I fully agree there are probably quite a few that are, I personally take offense to that. Why am *I* getting punished because of someone else's stupidity? I also don't agree with having to put *EVERY DAMN THING* in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. I saw someone padded down last time at Rip Ride Rockit and they made them put their lap balm in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. REALLY!?!?!? C'mon.

 

I would agree with this...but the problem is that ENTHUSIASTS have this issue as well. We all know somebody or even ourselves have carried loose articles which then became lost on high speed coasters. I don't want to call Anyone an "idiot" (and I absolutely know and respect greatly what you deal with in securing mounted cameras on rollercoasters and the history of coaster POVs vs many others out there), but I think the base problem is that the vast Majority (or at least MANY guests every day) of people think they are immune here, just like people texting and driving, and universal's zero-tolerance policy is in relation to the vast majority of people who will wear sunglasses, hats, or drop lip balm at 40 mph on a guest sitting near the ride. It sucks to not have the ability to text or play games in line (which I DO dislike, but not as strongly), and detectors are a very finite solution, but educating 100 percent of guests really isn't possible, and even then people would ignore it, just like the dude ignored the signs and jumped the fence at the Point.

 

 

This is why I prefer to do my riding on the other side of I-4. When I can go on rides like Tower of Terror or Rock N' Roller Coaster and they tell you "Take all your loose items with you" and I'm holding a backpack on a launching, looping roller coaster, that tells me that either Disney is just getting a much, MUCH better clientele than Universal, or something is seriously wrong with their operations.

 

I mean, Universal isn't doing this on Mummy, Gringott's, MIB or even Forbidden Journey. It is only the big, fast coasters with guest pathways nearby. Disney World has only Test Track's big turn that is comparable in the level of speed vs the danger (and you are very low in that car). Or maybe the big drop on Everest if some criminal intentionally threw something.

 

And trust me, I myself prefer Disney's relaxed (European) approach on loose articles, but maybe it just says something about the way I am that neither policy matters to me anywhere near the quality of the rides, the food, the line lengths, the prices, etc. It's low on my personal list.

 

I like Universal, don't get me wrong, but I'm not an idiot, and I don't like being treated like one at their parks.

 

 

And if parks like Cedar Point started to enforce these same kinds of rules, too, and added metal detectors, I'd stop riding their coasters also. I don't mind putting a bag or something in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo, but having to empty my pockets, be padded down, and go through a metal detector to go on a roller coaster? Nope. I draw the line right there.

 

And that's a reasoned decision. If the same policies were applied at Cedar Point I think it would detract from the experience greatly, since there are so many more rides that it would be enforced on. But for me having to place my items in a locker at Universal has never been close to outweighing the thrill of riding their rides, and this extra policy is only in effect at 3 rides out of 40ish. But even if they did it at the Point, I would only say that they need good queue entertainment if I can't use my phone or camera there in line. It wouldn't keep me away at all, the same as I still fly (without WIFI on most planes) whenever I need to or go to sporting events when I want. I would just sigh, and then agree to not use my phone much. And still enjoy the rides and the people I'm with. And i would continue to avoid days where waits for everything are really long, the same as now.

 

And also, Morey's Piers does the EXACT same thing on the Great Noreaster inverted coaster. Wands, detectors, free lockers the whole bit. And they never get any flack for that choice.

 

 

Actually, here's an idea - instead of installing metal detectors, why isn't there security hanging out in the onride photo booth, and every person they see with their cell phone out on the ride, escort them out of the park and trespass them from ever coming back.

 

I personally think the biggest issue here why people think they can do whatever they want on rides is because there isn't enough repercussion for when someone does something against the rules.

 

On security: This does nothing against those who have phones, glasses, or even [knives] in their pockets. It's a good idea for all the annoying people who get their cameras out on the ride. It's better than stopping the ride several times a day on the lift hill to walk up and collect Cell phone cameras for sure, but it doesn't solve the whole problem better than Metal Detectors might. I have NO insight on how the Metal detectors are really performing at Universal in particular financially or in guest satisfaction, it could be an all-encompassing solution to the global loose-articles issue, and have the ability to SPEED UP overall wait times. Which is why I'm again very happy to see someone try it.

 

And about repercussions, that's a hell of a lot of societal re-education we are talking about. Making that option realistic is way bigger than any single park or any single visit. I too, wish America wasn't regressing.

Edited by BlahBlahson
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why on Earth would they change the name just because some idiot did this to himself?

 

The death made it on national news tonight if you don't think the same media that had a field day with numerous topics this summer wouldn't go to town with a coaster themed to a death omen when someone just died at the park...

 

Valravn is the most vague name though. Is folklore, I couldn't find anywhere online where it was referred to as a "death omen".You guys are being ridiculous. It's a fairytale name at this point.

 

If it is out there, the media will find it. It's not being ridiculous, it's the park preventing a potential major backlash.

 

I guess the park should rename Raptor too since it's a bird of prey?

 

Classic example of Reductio ad absurdum, but by all means please continue.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess the park is oversensitive and that's why they've delayed the announcement for their dive coaster, although I'll be surprised if any ride name changes happen as a result of this stupid accident. (I'm not a fan of the name "Valravn" since I doubt anyone will know what it means, but I digress and don't really care about the name, I'm more interested in how it will ride.)

 

This story is just one more piece of evidence that de-evolution is real.

 

The band DEVO was from Ohio.

 

We are Devo.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why on Earth would they change the name just because some idiot did this to himself?

 

The death made it on national news tonight if you don't think the same media that had a field day with numerous topics this summer wouldn't go to town with a coaster themed to a death omen when someone just died at the park...

 

Valravn is the most vague name though. Is folklore, I couldn't find anywhere online where it was referred to as a "death omen".You guys are being ridiculous. It's a fairytale name at this point.

 

If it is out there, the media will find it. It's not being ridiculous, it's the park preventing a potential major backlash.

 

Well look at Mantis / Banshee. Also a folklore name. Nobody even died, and the park changed the name because the public thought it was too macabre.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hope that the upcoming announcement will bring back some positivity to the park amongst this negative, and sad situation. It reminds me of the unfortunate SFOT incident. Cedar Point needs positive light right now.

 

Edit: I know the two accidents are completely different from each other. I'm just referring to the negative attention and somber mood.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Cedar Point is not going to change the name. The situation is over and there is nothing anybody can do about it now. Talking about changing the name because its disrespectful to the man is just being dramatic and that could only start up a really idiotic idea and get even as bad as a trend. Talking about this and giving it hype is just GIVING the park pressure to change the name if anything because it can really make stupid people think it is bad...and you can't fix stupid.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Cedar Point is not going to change the name. The situation is over and there is nothing anybody can do about it now. Talking about changing the name because its disrespectful to the man is just being dramatic and that could only start up a really idiotic idea and get even as bad as a trend. Talking about this and giving it hype is just GIVING the park pressure to change the name if anything because it can really make stupid people think it is bad...and you can't fix stupid.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I knew I shouldn't have clicked some of those youtube links.... let alone read the comments. The Jurassic park video lead me to this:

 

[youtu_be]

[/youtu_be]

 

and the comments:

Yeah there something called we don't give a fuck about the rules

 

there is also something called we dont care about saftey shit, we want to have fun

 

That looks so dangerous but extremely fun to the maximum bros. You all are totally awesome man. #Living
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think it's a good discussion to have, because it could be implemented at other parks.

 

For me, what Universal is communicating is "all our guests are idiots" and while I fully agree there are probably quite a few that are, I personally take offense to that. Why am *I* getting punished because of someone else's stupidity? I also don't agree with having to put *EVERY DAMN THING* in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. I saw someone padded down last time at Rip Ride Rockit and they made them put their lap balm in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. REALLY!?!?!? C'mon.

 

I would agree with this...but the problem is that ENTHUSIASTS have this issue as well. We all know somebody or even ourselves have carried loose articles which then became lost on high speed coasters. I don't want to call Anyone an "idiot" (and I absolutely know and respect greatly what you deal with in securing mounted cameras on rollercoasters and the history of coaster POVs vs many others out there), but I think the base problem is that the vast Majority (or at least MANY guests every day) of people think they are immune here, just like people texting and driving, and universal's zero-tolerance policy is in relation to the vast majority of people who will wear sunglasses, hats, or drop lip balm at 40 mph on a guest sitting near the ride. It sucks to not have the ability to text or play games in line (which I DO dislike, but not as strongly), and detectors are a very finite solution, but educating 100 percent of guests really isn't possible, and even then people would ignore it, just like the dude ignored the signs and jumped the fence at the Point.

 

 

This is why I prefer to do my riding on the other side of I-4. When I can go on rides like Tower of Terror or Rock N' Roller Coaster and they tell you "Take all your loose items with you" and I'm holding a backpack on a launching, looping roller coaster, that tells me that either Disney is just getting a much, MUCH better clientele than Universal, or something is seriously wrong with their operations.

 

I mean, Universal isn't doing this on Mummy, Gringott's, MIB or even Forbidden Journey. It is only the big, fast coasters with guest pathways nearby. Disney World has only Test Track's big turn that is comparable in the level of speed vs the danger (and you are very low in that car). Or maybe the big drop on Everest if some criminal intentionally threw something.

 

And trust me, I myself prefer Disney's relaxed (European) approach on loose articles, but maybe it just says something about the way I am that neither policy matters to me anywhere near the quality of the rides, the food, the line lengths, the prices, etc. It's low on my personal list.

 

I like Universal, don't get me wrong, but I'm not an idiot, and I don't like being treated like one at their parks.

 

 

And if parks like Cedar Point started to enforce these same kinds of rules, too, and added metal detectors, I'd stop riding their coasters also. I don't mind putting a bag or something in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo, but having to empty my pockets, be padded down, and go through a metal detector to go on a roller coaster? Nope. I draw the line right there.

 

And that's a reasoned decision. If the same policies were applied at Cedar Point I think it would detract from the experience greatly, since there are so many more rides that it would be enforced on. But for me having to place my items in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo at Universal has never been close to outweighing the thrill of riding their rides, and this extra policy is only in effect at 3 rides out of 40ish. But even if they did it at the Point, I would only say that they need good queue entertainment if I can't use my phone or camera there in line. It wouldn't keep me away at all, the same as I still fly (without WIFI on most planes) whenever I need to or go to sporting events when I want. I would just sigh, and then agree to not use my phone much. And still enjoy the rides and the people I'm with. And i would continue to avoid days where waits for everything are really long, the same as now.

 

And also, Morey's Piers does the EXACT same thing on the Great Noreaster inverted coaster. Wands, detectors, free fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo the whole bit. And they never get any flack for that choice.

 

 

Actually, here's an idea - instead of installing metal detectors, why isn't there security hanging out in the onride photo booth, and every person they see with their cell phone out on the ride, escort them out of the park and trespass them from ever coming back.

 

I personally think the biggest issue here why people think they can do whatever they want on rides is because there isn't enough repercussion for when someone does something against the rules.

 

On security: This does nothing against those who have phones, glasses, or even [knives] in their pockets. It's a good idea for all the annoying people who get their cameras out on the ride. It's better than stopping the ride several times a day on the lift hill to walk up and collect Cell phone cameras for sure, but it doesn't solve the whole problem better than Metal Detectors might. I have NO insight on how the Metal detectors are really performing at Universal in particular financially or in guest satisfaction, it could be an all-encompassing solution to the global loose-articles issue, and have the ability to SPEED UP overall wait times. Which is why I'm again very happy to see someone try it.

 

And about repercussions, that's a hell of a lot of societal re-education we are talking about. Making that option realistic is way bigger than any single park or any single visit. I too, wish America wasn't regressing.

It's a really good thing you aren't in charge of operations at any parks, because your parks would really suck.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here's an interesting concept that I would like to introduce as 'Lifesavers 2.0'.

027.thumb.JPG.416876d1cbbf8192dffa194c82dd1411.JPG

Voila...shorts with zippered pockets. Brilliant!

028.thumb.JPG.60b14b89c3383bda4ae6aa3052401d65.JPG

Safely stores keys, sunglasses, cell phones and wallets while riding roller coasters!

 

Buy my Lifesavers 2.0 shorts now for only $29.99 and keep your head in the game!!!

 

 

 

 

Edit: I guess I better go ahead and apologize now for my highly insensitive comments knowing that I am going to offend a lot of people on here with my sarcasm. I just wanted to inject a little bit of humor and cynicism into this thread...I think it needs it! ;)

 

A BIG SORRY TO THOSE THAT I MAY OFFEND!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I feel like the main issue people have with it is that the park is blatantly and openly saying "We don't trust our guests" and violating their personal freedoms. I think that is an absolutely valid concern and I don't want to take over this topic talking about it. Cell phones on coasters just really suck for all parties and I just think that Metal Detectors and mandatory policies are an option that I'm happy to see explored.

I think it's a good discussion to have, because it could be implemented at other parks.

 

For me, what Universal is communicating is "all our guests are idiots" and while I fully agree there are probably quite a few that are, I personally take offense to that. Why am *I* getting punished because of someone else's stupidity? I also don't agree with having to put *EVERY DAMN THING* in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. I saw someone padded down last time at Rip Ride Rockit and they made them put their lap balm in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. REALLY!?!?!? C'mon.

 

This is why I prefer to do my riding on the other side of I-4. When I can go on rides like Tower of Terror or Rock N' Roller Coaster and they tell you "Take all your loose items with you" and I'm holding a backpack on a launching, looping roller coaster, that tells me that either Disney is just getting a much, MUCH better clientele than Universal, or something is seriously wrong with their operations.

 

I like Universal, don't get me wrong, but I'm not an idiot, and I don't like being treated like one at their parks.

 

And if parks like Cedar Point started to enforce these same kinds of rules, too, and added metal detectors, I'd stop riding their coasters also. I don't mind putting a bag or something in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo, but having to empty my pockets, be padded down, and go through a metal detector to go on a roller coaster? Nope. I draw the line right there.

 

I was thinking would it be better to do the pat-down and metal detectors at the end of the line if they really have to do it so people could have their phones in the queue...... but then I remembered my trips to Fuji-Q and the whole of Dodonpa being unlocked and re-checked because of a tissue in some-ones pocket.

 

I think they also have this policy for battlestar at USS with the handheld metal detectors but that was a few years ago and thankfully the line was empty so it was a non-issue about getting bored in a queue. It was a shame though since half the good stuff like the cylon was in the queue-line and I had really wanted a picture of it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

^ I would be against any metal detectors on rides...either before the line, during or before you board. I could only imagine how lines would slow to a crawl because of this.

 

And we certainly don't want American parks to be anything like Fuji-Q's operations!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually, here's an idea - instead of installing metal detectors, why isn't there security hanging out in the onride photo booth, and every person they see with their cell phone out on the ride, escort them out of the park and trespass them from ever coming back.

 

I personally think the biggest issue here why people think they can do whatever they want on rides is because there isn't enough repercussion for when someone does something against the rules.

 

THIS. I firmly believe that if a park like Cedar Point had a very clear, visible signs stating "You WILL be ejected from the park if use your phone or any other items (cameras) on the ride. Security is reviewing this ride and WILL enforce ejection from the park." and then ENFORCE it with security cams, it will become known very quickly that your cell phone is a ticket to be ejected. And let's not kid ourselves, nowadays, that's the real risk to other passengers and people below -- it's the cellphone that is flying around, not the sunglasses, hats, lip balms and loose change that can really hurt people (although coins certainly can). I'm not in favor of having a draconian police environment, but I do think having people escorted out will change behavior.

 

And at the risk of Robb's wrath, I also do think there is value in a few visible signs on rides that say "IF you lose any items, please go to lost and found at ____ to document them for potential retrieval from park staff" (or whatever). I do actually think that a good segment of our idiocracy thinks that when their iphone 6 (which shouldn't have been on the ride to start with) falls off a ride, it is gone forever (and it often is). And for some people the thought of being permanently without their phone causes some short-term panic that can cause the type of idiotic behavior we see here. TO BE CLEAR, I don't want to live in a world in which we attempt to govern all idiotic behavior and I think a park has ZERO responsibility for people that go into obviously restricted areas, but I do think most people don't know there is potential recourse (e.g., I just recently saw some guy trying to clamor into a restricted area on Skyrush before a security guy ran over and told him that they walk the perimeter of the course and scour the lake every day and collect items at lost and found). Anyway, the chances that even a clear sign would affect this guy or people like THIS is highly questionable, I know:

 

 

(As a morbid side issue, I am surprised that there has been no report of any guest's legs being injured in this incident. I would have thought that, like the Top Gun incident in California, it's someone's foot, not the train, that hits the person?)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use https://themeparkreview.com/forum/topic/116-terms-of-service-please-read/