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Maybe CF is just a bunch of Internet trolls who love to mess with all of us here on the forums... Or, they just made a mistake. I'll take the latter. I don't think that CF feels like doing too much security when it comes to the announcements, because we will always end up finding the leaks anyways.

P.S- Like this design a lot, and I think it just improves on Sheikra, which is a quite fantastic ride.

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Did they happen to mention how heavy that train is?

OK these are freaking cool. https://cedarpointonlineshop.com/

Made it out to Cedar Point this past weekend, October 17th-18th with my mom and dad to visit my sister working at the park. My sister works at Dorney, but since they closed early, a bunch of full time

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A grand deception to throw off a few thousand coaster geeks? I think a leak sounds more plausible.

 

 

It's really not that difficult. Kings Island did it with Banshee though to a lesser extent.

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Gatekeeper didn't slip until the night before. This a full week early plus the thing in the Sandusky Register over the winter. It almost feels too obvious. I'm fine with it being a dive machine and i would be happy to ride it but i just feel like this is all some kind of deception. If it's not so be it that would make me wrong and they need to hire someone capable of keeping their plans under wraps.

 

GK leaked at least a week early... I remember looking at the CAD drawings that were leaked at least a few days prior to announcement. It was not the night before. Same thing with Banshee.

 

 

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I was referring to the pictures of layout and website. That happened the night before.

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Even if this is deception, why would they leak an awesome new coaster which raises our hopes only to dissapoint us with no coaster and a dark ride? Seems like any sort of deception wouldn't increase hype for the supposed dark ride, but rather make us all pissed and without a coaster.

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I never said anything about a dark ride.

 

Anyway that Raptor jolt makes me want to punch a baby.

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Even if this is deception, why would they leak an awesome new coaster which raises our hopes only to dissapoint us with no coaster and a dark ride? Seems like any sort of deception wouldn't increase hype for the supposed dark ride, but rather make us all pissed and without a coaster.

I wouldn't call dark ride "disappointing". It would definetly be different for CL, and I'm sure a lot of fans and GP would appreciate something like a dark ride-coaster hybrid over another "meh" b&m.

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Even if this is deception, why would they leak an awesome new coaster which raises our hopes only to dissapoint us with no coaster and a dark ride? Seems like any sort of deception wouldn't increase hype for the supposed dark ride, but rather make us all pissed and without a coaster.

I wouldn't call dark ride "disappointing". It would definetly be different for CL, and I'm sure a lot of fans and GP would appreciate something like a dark ride-coaster hybrid over another "meh" b&m.

"Meh" B&M is probably the last way I would describe the worlds tallest, fastest and longest dive coaster. Honestly sometimes you guys hold Cedar Point to such standards that which they are destined to fail. This looks like an awesome ride to me and I would go out of my way for it, probably more so than Gatekeeper.

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Come on people this is real. I know Cedar Fair loves to joke like they did with KI last year. But they don't make a logo and 3D track version just to fool the fans, I mean it cost a lot of money to make that and Cedar Fair is a company that wants to make money, they will not spend money on this just to fool some fans.

KI was different they just took a Image of Gatekeeper and posted the Bat logo next to it, it didn't cost money as they already had both things prepared. The lay-out was just taken from place A to B and the logo was already designed for the rebrand to Bat.

Honestly I will be shocked if this isn't real.

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I really hope they go for the 8 car trains with the vest restraints over the 10 car trains with the OTSR's, because IMO B&M's OTSRS's are horribly designed with much of the restraint surrounding your head, which allows for a lot of headbanging on older rides. The vests eliminate this problem, and I'd rather wait a little longer for a better and more comfortable ride experience.

Yeah this happens to me too sometimes when I completely relax my neck muscles and allow the slightest change in direction to toss my head around accordingly.

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Come on people this is real. I know Cedar Fair loves to joke like they did with KI last year. But they don't make a logo and 3D track version just to fool the fans, I mean it cost a lot of money to make that and Cedar Fair is a company that wants to make money, they will not spend money on this just to fool some fans.

KI was different they just took a Image of Gatekeeper and posted the Bat logo next to it, it didn't cost money as they already had both things prepared. The lay-out was just taken from place A to B and the logo was already designed for the rebrand to Bat.

Honestly I will be shocked if this isn't real.

 

 

Maybe it was a fan creation which had gone viral.

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Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

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Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick. If you look back at Cedar Point's history, since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years. Magnum, Mean Streak, Rapor, Mantis, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and Top Thrill Dragster (plus a kiddie coaster in there) were all built in a timeframe of four years max in between (Mantis and Millennium Force).

After Maverick, and acquiring the Paramount parks, they wanted to focus on other parks, and reimagine the image of Cedar Point being more well rounded (not that it wasn't already). So, they took a five year break (2008-12) at Cedar Point, then got right back on track with Gatekeeper.

Two years of pretty minor investments relative to the parks history (excluding the Breakers renovation which was funded from a waterpark sale) and you have another great opportunity to reimagine the Marina gate for what is presumably much more affordable than Gatekeeper.

Anyways, that just my theory. It's not that this was particularly sped up, it's just the period of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper was a sign of change for the company.

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Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick. If you look back at Cedar Point's history, since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years. Magnum, Mean Streak, Rapor, Mantis, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and Top Thrill Dragster (plus a kiddie coaster in there) were all built in a time frame of four years max in between (Mantis and Millennium Force).

After Maverick, and acquiring the Paramount parks, they wanted to focus on other parks, and re-imagine the image of Cedar Point being more well rounded (not that it wasn't already). So, they took a five year break (2008-12) at Cedar Point, then got right back on track with Gatekeeper.

Two years of pretty minor investments relative to the parks history (excluding the Breakers renovation which was funded from a waterpark sale) and you have another great opportunity to re imagine the Marina gate for what is presumably much more affordable than Gatekeeper.

Anyways, that just my theory. It's not that this was particularly sped up, it's just the period of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper was a sign of change for the company.

 

I agree.

Most CF parks, pre Paramount buyout, have taken the back burner as the newly acquired parks have seen the most capital invested into them. When you spend a billion on something, you need to invest everything you can to ensure the maximum return. The post-Paramount parks have seen at least one, sometimes two, 20+ million dollar investments since the buyout. CF does this every time they acquire new parks, WOF, VF, and ever DP saw some of their largest investments soon after CF acquired them.

 

However I don't find GK to be a fluke, at all. Regardless of capacity the ride still puts through more people than MF (the parks star coaster). If the ride was in any form "bad" those numbers would be much less as people wouldn't bother riding it.

 

Despite whatever the enthusiast may say, GK has been quite the success. With the addition of last years family rides, CP has gained (at minimum) $19.8 million dollars worth of additional revenue, compared to the two previous years before its installation.

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^I never said Gatekeeper was a fluke in terms of being "lesser" than the other star coasters built at Cedar Point. If you go back and read the rest of my sentence...

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick...since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years.

...you'll see that what I was referring to as "fluky" was the amount of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper, not the ride itself in any way.

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In before everyone freaks because Robb posts something that they believe is related to a new attraction.

 

^I never said Gatekeeper was a fluke in terms of being "lesser" than the other star coasters built at Cedar Point. If you go back and read the rest of my sentence...

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick...since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years.

...you'll see that what I was referring to as "fluky" was the amount of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper, not the ride itself in any way.

 

Well, that clears that issue up.

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So I received something in the mail today from Cedar Point...

image1.thumb.JPG.b6389fb524308c73897285dcc6f9b085.JPGLet's open it, shall we?

 

image2.thumb.JPG.772ec33521695032a7cb94963b8d1e7c.JPGWhat could this be? Looks like maybe a DVD or something???

 

image3.thumb.JPG.92c0809b09b60f3f054b5c4ac55f16b3.JPGAha, it's an announcement invite! Made out of cardboard that comes apart...hmm...

 

image1a.thumb.JPG.ede529cc7210d69478c0649a4963d776.JPGThere are instructions!

 

image4.thumb.JPG.4763e40ee1de4420ce6518bedec853b4.JPGAnd following the instructions I now have sort of a box!

 

image5.thumb.JPG.a07aee09be74fda3692b79c0b0c2f9c8.JPGBut look! It's not just a box! It's a VR headset for my iPhone!

 

image6.thumb.JPG.e2477877c6c4f02cf0652dde08138c93.JPG"All will come into view..."

 

Hmm... so I think with some of the leaks we get an idea of what this is going to be...but could there be more than we are SEEING yet? I know we've seen a lot of tests done with things like Oculus Rift headsets, and Cedar Point sure is making a big deal with this VR thing. Is it a marketing angle or are we looking at quite possibly the first coaster to actually incorporate this technology?

 

I guess we'll find out on the 18th!

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Maybe it was a fan creation which had gone viral.

As I understood it this came from a official app from CP them self. If that's true then I wonder how they got hands on a fan creation before someone posted it online himself. You see that doesn't make much sense to me for them to get this all handed from a fan.

^There's also NL2, where it really doesn't cost much to make a layout in.

That white on black lay-out maybe, it still is missing it's joints something I see in every NL2, but that other 3D rendering (the colored one on the google earth) must have been a really bad version of NL to look like that, So I believe that must be another program.

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Wow, I don't think that "viewer box" thing is just a coincidence, I'm guessing we're about to see some kind of full VR coaster. I'm still not totally sold on the concept but it could be really cool if done properly and would certianly open up a world of possibilities across the property (and all the other parks).

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I don't believe this will be a VR coaster. It's a marketing scheme so you can "try" the coaster before it's built on your phone.

This. I can't imagine CF going full regard and trying to make people wear VR headsets while on a coaster. I think this is just so we can ride it before it is built.

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