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^This, I couldn't have said it better myself. It would be the equivalent of trying to play NL2 (except even better graphics) in simulation mode on your phone, and then expecting your phone to perform well. It just wouldn't. With the lower detail model, most phones will be able to play this VR (which I'm super stoked about trying for myself) at good framerates.

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How's Gatekeeper fare with the GP? I've not ridden it yet but I've heard it's pretty bland.

 

By the same token, Valravn looks like it'll be the same thing. Big and pretty but mostly a bore. Dammit, B&M, did your balls drop off in 2004?

 

I recently rode Gatekeeper for the first time, and I really enjoyed it. I don't know why anyone calls Gatekeeper "boring" or "forceless." Gatekeeper was a lot of fun. It is by no means one of the best coaster in the world. But it did make my top 20 list.

 

I feel like those who complain about Gatekeeper, and dive machines have seriously never been on them. Because anyone who has been on them know that they are good rides.

 

Also, when we were there the GP seemed to LOVE Gatekeeper. Everyone I over heard talking about it wanted to ride it again. They just didn't want to wait in the line.

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You're expecting too much out of real-time-high-framerate phone graphics.

 

Not arguing there. I always expect too much. I'll also say that after putting the apk on my phone (which just finished installing), the graphics look way better there than what has been posted.

 

So, we'll see on the 18th...or sooner if things keep leaking.

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If this indeed the layout, here are my thoughts...

 

The layout is a little short, but that's what you have to expect with a Dive Coaster. As I have said earlier in the thread, no matter what the layout looks like, I will just be excited to finally have a Dive Machine closer to me. Sheikra was short, but I enjoyed it from beginning to end.

 

Judging from the elements, it looks like this will be a quicker paced forceful ride. There will be 3 potential moments of airtime in the course, which is a big plus. It's good to see that B&M might still be going back to their old ways.

 

I'm hoping for a splashdown, but it seems like there are no moments where one is possible from the renders. There are no flat sections of track near the ground, and the long brake run will be another angled magnetic version.

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Now that I've seen the higher resolution renders, I'm going to switch from "clearly fake" to "plausible."

 

First, it does look like a VERY real dive layout. Often when people fake things, they make subtle mistakes that would never be on a real coaster. I don't see any here.

 

Also, the colors in the app match the track we saw at the factory, which could mean that track IS from CP.

 

Third, if it is real, the drop will be as good as Griffon, and while the Immelmans on dive coasters are so so, after the block brakes, a dive loop into a zero g roll? Yes please. Also, I bet that carousel and air time hill will be great! While splash downs are neat, I don't think they're necessary, so I won't be let down if one isn't there. That said, there doesn't need to be the long trench we've seen in the past to rule out a splash down.

 

I'd this is real, this might be the first dive machine I actually like!

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I'm kind of surprised anyone thinks that someone has faked all this, to me it seems like perhaps the most complete and plausible leak there's ever been. There's not even a history of fakes in the industry, and there is definitely a long history of leaks.

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Dom497 wrote:

I'll leave this here:

Like I said this looks promising. At least 3 different Inversions on a Dive so we get to see more tricks.

That said, and I know people will think I'm complaining believe I'm not, the Immelmann after the drop has the seen that done that feeling to it. I mean every Dive after Sheikra had that like to see them do some other trick for once. And not going the Krake route with adding a Splash between them, I mean that still looks to a drop followed by a Immelmann to me as the splash is just a straight path and not a "Real" element. But the lay-out looks great and will work with the public for sure.

 

 

I agree, but look at the majority of B&M Inverts...after the first drop they go right into a vertical loop. Only a small handful are an exception (Banshee, Alpengeist,...)

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This would look so good at Dorney, Worlds of Fun, or Valleyfair. But at CP, it almost laughable. Why does CP need another roller coaster. Would've been more excited to see a dark ride. The layout looks so uninspired and boring. Again, at a smaller park, this layout could've done wonders. At CP, it won't even be in the top 5. So disappointing.

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This would look so good at Dorney, Worlds of Fun, or Valleyfair. But at CP, it almost laughable. Why does CP need another roller coaster. Would've been more excited to see a dark ride. The layout looks so uninspired and boring. Again, at a smaller park, this layout could've done wonders. At CP, it won't even be in the top 5. So disappointing.

 

I think it will be in a lot of people's top 3 there. Why does cedar point need another coaster? Because coasters at cedar point generate revenue!

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This would look so good at Dorney, Worlds of Fun, or Valleyfair. But at CP, it almost laughable. Why does CP need another roller coaster. Would've been more excited to see a dark ride. The layout looks so uninspired and boring. Again, at a smaller park, this layout could've done wonders. At CP, it won't even be in the top 5. So disappointing.

 

CP needs another coaster because that's what brings more people to the park. Me personally, I live 4 hours away from Cedar Point, although it is my favorite park, whenever I travel I have been trying to hit parks I haven't been to yet, or just built something unique and new. When CP builds new coasters, it gives me a reason to come back other than me just liking the park.

 

Say CP wasn't building a new coaster next year. I just visited this year, and I've never been to SDC or Kentucky Kingdom, so next year I would probably do a trip to those parks (plus Dollywood and HW) instead.

 

But a new coaster will give me a reason to come back and move some other trips around. I understand your pain that your home park may have not gotten something new in a while, but CP and WoF are very much apart with crowds and size. Most people have heard of CP and know it is a major coaster destination, whereas many haven't even heard of WoF.

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We still have to remember, CP main clientele are non enthusiast GP. To that market, Valravn will be a huge, intimidating, intense new coaster. That's just how these things work lol!

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This is definitely real now. That layout is decent, I expected a little more, but I'm not disappointed. Are we really surprised something from Cedar Point/Cedar Fair leaked, I feel like all of there announcements leak.

 

The only thing I can think of is that this is another "The Bat" type of situation to throw us off, but I'm 95% sure that's unlikely.

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This would look so good at Dorney, Worlds of Fun, or Valleyfair. But at CP, it almost laughable. Why does CP need another roller coaster. Would've been more excited to see a dark ride. The layout looks so uninspired and boring. Again, at a smaller park, this layout could've done wonders. At CP, it won't even be in the top 5. So disappointing.

 

One of the saltier posts I've read in a while.

 

Roller coaster layouts stand on their own. If accurate, this appears it will be the best dive machine constructed thus far and will slide into the majority of people's top 5 at the park.

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Perhaps with this addition, more Dive Machines will start popping up at other U.S.A. parks. Kind of like the Wingriders, and RMC's. I could see smaller ones added to at least the smaller parks in the CF chain.

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My thoughts are this - assuming this is all real...

 

Every B&M Dive Machine I've been on, sans maybe the original Oblivion & G5 has been by far a better experience than every Wing Rider I've been on, and probably *most* of the other B&M hypers, Inverts (other than maybe Banshee), or Floorless coasters I've ridden from them since about 2004.

 

So that being said, even if this is the worst of the Dive Machines, which I don't think it would be based on that that layout, I certainly see this ride being much better than Gatekeeper, X-Flight, Leviathan, OzIris, Silver Bullet, Wild Eagle, Intimidator, Led Zeppelin, Phaethon, Hollywood Dream, Patriot, Hydra... just to name a few.

 

Sure, it might not be the be-all end of coasters even at Cedar Point, but I think it has a shot at being one of the better B&Ms to come along in the last ten years.

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There is nothing wrong with this Dive coaster...at all. Man CP fans can be so spoiled. You get the ride MF, Maverick, TTD... And now this?

 

This will be an all star line up. I'm baffled as to how anyone could be disappointed by this.

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There is nothing wrong with this Dive coaster...at all. Man CP fans can be so spoiled. You get the ride MF, Maverick, TTD... And now this?

 

This will be an all star line up. I'm baffled as to how anyone could be disappointed by this.

This is exactly what I'm thinking too! If one of the parks near me was getting this ride I would be so pumped.

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This would look so good at Dorney, Worlds of Fun, or Valleyfair. But at CP, it almost laughable. Why does CP need another roller coaster. Would've been more excited to see a dark ride. The layout looks so uninspired and boring. Again, at a smaller park, this layout could've done wonders. At CP, it won't even be in the top 5. So disappointing.

 

One of the saltier posts I've read in a while.

 

Roller coaster layouts stand on their own. If accurate, this appears it will be the best dive machine constructed thus far and will slide into the majority of people's top 5 at the park.

 

 

I completely agree. Like this is unoriginal, compared to what?? Only two other coasters like this in the US? The closest one being ~8 or 9 hours away? I bet a lot of the GP has never seen anything like this, so for CP to implement that for it's guests, seems pretty original.

 

To each their own, but personally I think it'll be a great addition, whether you're GP, an enthusiast, or anything!

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I'm really excited about this if it's real. Ever since I was on Sheikra in 2009, I've wanted to take a trip down to BGE to ride Griffon, but the 8 hour drive was always just a bit too much. Now there will (presumably) be a bigger, faster, and badder dive machine only 3 hours away?! That's awesome! I can't wait!

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I'm with Robb on this one. I've ridden Griffon and it was definitely one of the best B&M's I've ridden.

My question is this--for those that are disappointed, what more were you expecting? We pretty much expected all the stats... 223 feet, 80 mph, most inversions on a dive coaster. Thats exactly what this is, and people complain that it "isn't more." What, just because something will be built at CP it "has" to revolutionize the industry? This will probably be among the top two B&M's at the park (with Raptor) and a top five coaster at the park. Oh, how awful.

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I completely agree. Like this is unoriginal, compared to what?? Only two other coasters like this in the US?

Exactly. Again, I'm not the biggest B&M fan out there, most people know this, mainly because I haven't been impressed with a lot of their rides lately, but I'm happy to see another Dive Machine be built. It has potential.

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^ I'm with you on B&M. They aren't bad rides, but no new B&Ms are making it into my top 10 these days. That said, this coaster, if the real layout (which I'm pretty sure now it will be), will not only be the most ambition Dive Machine in the world, but will also bring elements that have not been featured on either of the two US DMs yet.

 

I don't really care for DMs myself, but I'm actually pretty pumped for this layout. I especially like the looks of the "wrap around dive roll," (for lack of a better name for this fun looking new element).

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I completely agree. Like this is unoriginal, compared to what?? Only two other coasters like this in the US?

Exactly. Again, I'm not the biggest B&M fan out there, most people know this, mainly because I haven't been impressed with a lot of their rides lately, but I'm happy to see another Dive Machine be built. It has potential.

I personally loved Sheikra. And this looks even better so it should be a good coaster. The turn before the MCBR looks like it could pull some good forces. Honestly I think the B&M's of the last 2-3 years have looked great. Banshee, Thunderbird, and Fury all seem to be getting more favorable reviews.

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