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As for over/under speed. If I recall correctly, the ride didn't really care about the time it took to complete each block, it just cared about the speed it came into the brakes, but more importantly the speed it progressed through the brakes. I am sure there was a built in error incase the ride never completed, but even with the train crawling through the Main block, I don't recall ever getting errors for it not completing it in a designated time

 

I would be very shocked if Mantis/Rougarou do not have speed fault alarms. They've been around forever. However, the train needs to SERIOUSLY violate the parameters before it goes off. The only time I've ever seen one go off was during a malfunction of the Alpengeist crown trims. For some reasons, they lodged closed, and we're holding the trains so long they sat on the crown trim for easily 20 seconds before slugging through. When they finally got to the block brakes, we got the master alarm and an error code that said something like "block travel underspeed alert, travel time too high." Never saw it for block testing or anything else. That's when I learned all about block timers etc. The ride did not initiate a ride stop, and let us continue dispatching to unload guests. All three trains we let go through (the first, then two empties) hung on the crown forever, then set off that fault.

 

Thinking about it, it's possible in a valley the alarm would not go off, if one of the parameters does indeed involved reaching the next block. Hard to say. I haven't worked a coaster in over a decade to be fair!

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So I was looking at the Fantawild Construction thread, and I saw something that would be amazing for Cedar Point!

 

Time To Dream:

 

As much as we would all love for Cedar Point to give Mean Streak the RMC treatment (And we all pretty much know that it will eventually happen anyway.) I would LOVE to see Cedar Point build a bigger better version of

 

That way Cedar Point could get rid of the awful Mean Streak, and still have a REAL wooden coaster, and something amazing!!

 

Well... we can dream right?!

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^^I wonder if RMC would be willing to use topper track on a transformation? That way Cedar Point would have a great wooden coaster for the price of a hybrid transformation.

You mean like RMC just did on Timber Wolf?

GCI worked on Timber Wolf, from what I've heard. And they didn't actually change the layout, they are just re-tracking it.

 

I believe that Firechaser meant do an Iron Horse conversion, but instead of using I-box track, use topper track.

 

I'm sure that RMC would do that if a park wanted them to, I just don't think that a park would choose to do that.

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I think i-box transformation is the only logical move for Mean Streak. Topper track might make the ride smoother, but it'll still have that long, drawn-out, boring layout. With i-box they could steepen the drop to about 80 degrees, shorten the track length about 1,000-1,400 feet, and chop down the height of the structure after the first drop about 30%-50%.

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^ I wouldn't want to see them ditch height or length. Think of how much better they've gotten at conversions since The New Texas Giant! I bet they could add some crazy inversions and stalls onto the Mean Streak Layout!

 

Yeah, but if you take away some length and height after the first drop...you get more airrtime and a more intense ride overall. If the ride is too long, then it'll will start to meander due to loss of momentum.

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^ I wouldn't want to see them ditch height or length. Think of how much better they've gotten at conversions since The New Texas Giant! I bet they could add some crazy inversions and stalls onto the Mean Streak Layout!

 

Yeah, but if you take away some length and height after the first drop...you get more airrtime and a more intense ride overall. If the ride is too long, then it'll will start to meander due to loss of momentum.

 

I have never heard of an RMC coaster meandering due to loss of momentum. Texas Giant was pretty similar to Mean Streak before its makeover, and it doesn't meander through the course due to loss of momentum now. You get plenty of airtime, and the ride is over all pretty intense.

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^ I wouldn't want to see them ditch height or length. Think of how much better they've gotten at conversions since The New Texas Giant! I bet they could add some crazy inversions and stalls onto the Mean Streak Layout!

 

Yeah, but if you take away some length and height after the first drop...you get more airrtime and a more intense ride overall. If the ride is too long, then it'll will start to meander due to loss of momentum.

 

I have never heard of an RMC coaster meandering due to loss of momentum. Texas Giant was pretty similar to Mean Streak before its makeover, and it doesn't meander through the course due to loss of momentum now. You get plenty of airtime, and the ride is over all pretty intense.

 

Wicked Cyclone definitely looses momentum and speed probably the last third of the ride. Never the less, it is still insane. The ride isn't as tall as Mean Streak, so it won't loose momentum, but I was just pointing out a ride I knew fit the bill.

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^ I wouldn't want to see them ditch height or length. Think of how much better they've gotten at conversions since The New Texas Giant! I bet they could add some crazy inversions and stalls onto the Mean Streak Layout!

 

Yeah, but if you take away some length and height after the first drop...you get more airrtime and a more intense ride overall. If the ride is too long, then it'll will start to meander due to loss of momentum.

 

I have never heard of an RMC coaster meandering due to loss of momentum. Texas Giant was pretty similar to Mean Streak before its makeover, and it doesn't meander through the course due to loss of momentum now. You get plenty of airtime, and the ride is over all pretty intense.

 

And you do realize that almost 1,000ft of track length was removed from Texas Giant right?

 

To add, many of the rides hills after the first drop were lowered about 20-30% if you look at before and after pictures.

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^^I wonder if RMC would be willing to use topper track on a transformation? That way Cedar Point would have a great wooden coaster for the price of a hybrid transformation.

You mean like RMC just did on Timber Wolf?

GCI worked on Timber Wolf, from what I've heard. And they didn't actually change the layout, they are just re-tracking it.

 

I believe that Firechaser meant do an Iron Horse conversion, but instead of using I-box track, use topper track.

 

I'm sure that RMC would do that if a park wanted them to, I just don't think that a park would choose to do that.

I remember hearing that RMC completely overhauled TW with topper track, but without changing the layout whatsoever.

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^ I wouldn't want to see them ditch height or length. Think of how much better they've gotten at conversions since The New Texas Giant! I bet they could add some crazy inversions and stalls onto the Mean Streak Layout!

 

Yeah, but if you take away some length and height after the first drop...you get more airrtime and a more intense ride overall. If the ride is too long, then it'll will start to meander due to loss of momentum.

May I cite some of the longest coasters in the world (Voyage, MF, The Beast, Steel Dragon 2000, Steel Force, Black Mamba) as examples against your argument.

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^^I wonder if RMC would be willing to use topper track on a transformation? That way Cedar Point would have a great wooden coaster for the price of a hybrid transformation.

You mean like RMC just did on Timber Wolf?

GCI worked on Timber Wolf, from what I've heard. And they didn't actually change the layout, they are just re-tracking it.

 

I believe that Firechaser meant do an Iron Horse conversion, but instead of using I-box track, use topper track.

 

I'm sure that RMC would do that if a park wanted them to, I just don't think that a park would choose to do that.

Yea that is what I meant, It would be interesting if they did do it though.

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^ I wouldn't want to see them ditch height or length. Think of how much better they've gotten at conversions since The New Texas Giant! I bet they could add some crazy inversions and stalls onto the Mean Streak Layout!

 

Yeah, but if you take away some length and height after the first drop...you get more airrtime and a more intense ride overall. If the ride is too long, then it'll will start to meander due to loss of momentum.

May I cite some of the longest coasters in the world (Voyage, MF, The Beast, Steel Dragon 2000, Steel Force, Black Mamba) as examples against your argument.

 

Well the Beast has two lift hills, so we'll go ahead and eliminate that off the top. MF and Steel Dragon 2000 are Gigas so of course they maintain speed throughout a long track length because they are over 300ft tall and reaach 90+ mph. And while I haven't ridden Steel Force or Mamba, I don't hear many people talking about them as being intense from start to finish. They're also both over 200ft tall, so there is no comparison there against a 160ft tall wooden coaster with the same track length.

 

The Voyage I'll give you as far as maintaining speed over a lengthy track, but I'll also note that there is a 50ft discrepancy between the highest part of the ride (the first drop) and the next highest point (the 2nd hill) which supports my argument of RMC lowering the structure of Mean Streak after the first drop.

 

At the end of the day, RMC has shortened the track length of Colossus, Rattler, Texas Giant, and Cyclone and they've all gotten great reviews. So I stand by my argument of shortening Mean Streak for the optimum result.

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The Voyage I'll give you as far as maintaining speed over a lengthy track, but I'll also note that there is a 50ft discrepancy between the highest part of the ride (the first drop) and the next highest point (the 2nd hill) which supports my argument of RMC lowering the structure of Mean Streak after the first drop.

 

At the end of the day, RMC has shortened the track length of Colossus, Rattler, Texas Giant, and Cyclone and they've all gotten great reviews. So I stand by my argument of shortening Mean Streak for the optimum result.

 

Well I read the original post wrong. I thought you meant lowering the height of the main drop, not the structure after the drop. It makes more sense to me now.

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I hope that whatever they do to Mean Streak, they keep the aesthetic quality of the ride. Whether the ride is good or bad, it is visually stunning. Truly one of the most beautiful wooden roller coasters I've ever seen.

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^My thoughts exactly, I love watching it. I will welcome RMC no matter how it looks, but if they can keep the aesthetic, I will be ecstatic.

Am I alone here, or does anyone else love the old-school Dinn Corp. woodies. I just really love how they're a little rougher than most, but often have strange designs (Mean Streak and those high turns). Same goes for CCI, relatively tame and occasionally boring layouts, but the nostalgia!

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I hope that whatever they do to Mean Streak, they keep the aesthetic quality of the ride. Whether the ride is good or bad, it is visually stunning. Truly one of the most beautiful wooden roller coasters I've ever seen.

 

I would personally like to see them get rid of the lift hill supports, and do a truss style support system like they did with Goliath. That would really open up views to the water like the park did when they got rid of Disaster transport and put in Gatekeeper.

 

Reasoning behind this, in a documentary I recently watched "From Dreams To Screams" about Gatekeeper they talked about opening up the views of the beach, and water (Granted Mean Streak is not near the beach) It would still be nice to see them use a truss style support system to open up the views to the water. One of the best parts of Cedar Point is the location, and Mean Streak really obstructs the views of the water.

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