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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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I still think that "leaked" dive coaster rumor from the Sandusky Register could be true. Whenever they've released unannounced park info before, it pretty much turns out to be accurate.

 

But as whole, I'm going to say that it's for that midway expansion idea I've had for a few years. Cedars Dorms will also come down, Perimeter Rd will be rerouted, and a new midway will connect the Blue Streak midway from Calypso's current location to near the bleachers in Celebration Plaza. This is just one rough possible idea of what it could be. As you can see, having a whole multi year expansion in addition to the dive coaster is possible...I'm not the best at Photoshop and stuff like that but I inserted an image of Sheikra and it fits perfectly and still allows for plenty of room. The blue indicates the Perimeter Road reroute, the red indicates the new midway, you can obviously see the image of Sheikra and how it does not even interfere with Cadillac Cars and Raptor, and then the green areas indicate free space for future attractions.

 

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In the area formerly occupied by the dorms, I could see some type of out-and-back GCI or GG wooden coaster. Its station would be near the new midway merge by the bleachers, its lift hill would run parallel to the new midway, it would turn around in the strip of land between the midway and Perimeter Road (near Calypso's former location) and then will come back into the dorms area for a twister finale. I could see the new dive coaster's entrance plaza along with a few new shops/eating areas and seating in the small space by Raptor, to the right of where the new midway would connect to the Blue Streak midway.Then the other free space where the Goodtime Theatre used to be would be used for several new flat rides and another landscaped seating area.

Seems like an amazing idea to me! More land, move the road

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Tony Clark is doing a Q&A on Twitter right now.

 

As it turns out, the Wicked Twister entry area will be altered for Tiki Twirl.

...the Wicked Twister flagpoles will go away.

 

I asked about the restraints on Rougarou, and the answer makes sense -- the ride wasn't built for the wider trains that the Banshee/Gatekeeper restraints would require.

The harnesses are too wide for the track/layout configuration.
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So popular that it's not even in the top 10 despite high capacity, and running in the rain. I know exactly how popular it is, or in this case, isn't.

 

You know you're arguing with something who spent 3 years operating Mean Streak right? Just because it's not in the top 10 doesn't mean it doesn't put up solid numbers.

 

I kinda figured there was a personal bias in the argument. We have very different definitions of 'solid'.

 

RIde_On_17 -- what an amazing post!

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So popular that it's not even in the top 10 despite high capacity, and running in the rain. I know exactly how popular it is, or in this case, isn't.

 

You know you're arguing with something who spent 3 years operating Mean Streak right? Just because it's not in the top 10 doesn't mean it doesn't put up solid numbers.

 

I kinda figured there was a personal bias in the argument. We have very different definitions of 'solid'.

 

RIde_On_17 -- what an amazing post!

 

Ok, I want to add my own two cents to this. There are times when the ride has a long line, I am not going to disagree with that. However when you look at the those long lines, it happens to be when the park is very busy, maybe even at 100%. Such events are, 4th of July, memorial day weekend, some august days, Halloween.

 

I don't have the stats on hand, but if I was to say without knowing Mean Streak and Mantis have about the same ridership. Meaning that they had days with long lines, but both were almost always hop ons. As an example: Maverick wait is about 2 hours, Mean Streak was only 10 minutes. Milli was 2.5 hours, Mantis was only 15mins. Yes they are not the number one coasters, but when the park is that busy and they still have less then half hour waits, then there is a problem.

 

Personally, Mean Streak is just stuck in the back, it does not have the power as it use to, it is more painful, not that thrilling and to me, something needs to change back there. I am sure something will happen soon, as the main focus has been the front of the park. Unfortunately for Mean Streak is it stuck back there in a bad position in the first place.

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But as whole, I'm going to say that it's for that midway expansion idea I've had for a few years. Cedars Dorms will also come down, Perimeter Rd will be rerouted, and a new midway will connect the Blue Streak midway from Calypso's current location to near the bleachers in Celebration Plaza. This is just one rough possible idea of what it could be. As you can see, having a whole multi year expansion in addition to the dive coaster is possible...I'm not the best at Photoshop and stuff like that but I inserted an image of Sheikra and it fits perfectly and still allows for plenty of room. The blue indicates the Perimeter Road reroute, the red indicates the new midway, you can obviously see the image of Sheikra and how it does not even interfere with Cadillac Cars and Raptor, and then the green areas indicate free space for future attractions.

 

I know that it's still rumor at this point that the dorms will come down, but I think the dorms going down down, perimeter road re-routed, & midway going from Blue Streak to the bleacher area may be spot on for multi-year expansion. With that interview posted a few pages back saying we shouldn't expect anything happening in the Goodtime theater area "too soon" I think this is a very real possibility for the park layout changing. Especially now that the Blue Streak "Dead End" is temporally more of a dead end than before. Connecting it to the other areas of the park would help it flow better.

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So popular that it's not even in the top 10 despite high capacity, and running in the rain. I know exactly how popular it is, or in this case, isn't.

 

You know you're arguing with something who spent 3 years operating Mean Streak right? Just because it's not in the top 10 doesn't mean it doesn't put up solid numbers.

 

I kinda figured there was a personal bias in the argument. We have very different definitions of 'solid'.

 

RIde_On_17 -- what an amazing post!

 

My point wasn't that he was biased, it's that he knows what he's talking about... but take that as you will I guess.

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So popular that it's not even in the top 10 despite high capacity, and running in the rain. I know exactly how popular it is, or in this case, isn't.

 

You know you're arguing with something who spent 3 years operating Mean Streak right? Just because it's not in the top 10 doesn't mean it doesn't put up solid numbers.

 

I kinda figured there was a personal bias in the argument. We have very different definitions of 'solid'.

 

RIde_On_17 -- what an amazing post!

 

My point wasn't that he was biased, it's that he knows what he's talking about... but take that as you will I guess.

I don't want to be involved in this, but you're arguing different points. Mossed is arguing it doesn't put up solid numbers, evidenced by not being in the top 10 throughput in the park, not that he is biased because he operates the ride. Either way, doesn't really matter. Mean Streak is obviously not of the most popular coasters in the park, but it is capable of holding a decent line on busier days. Nothing much to be argued here.

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In most parks, mean streak would be a big attraction. Biggest problem is that it is tucked back in the corner of a big park, and is way over shadowed by some big name coasters. Does it crack the top 10 in numbers? Clearly not. But look what is a head of it.

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Mean Streak is such a monstrous structure. It really is massive. I remember the "wow" factor the year it opened. However, after the countless modifications and neuterings, it delivers a sub par ride. In my opinion, it's a no brainer to bring in RMC and let them have their way with it. It could easily be a top coaster at the park if this were to happen, all while saving money from demolition and rebuilding.

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I still think that "leaked" dive coaster rumor from the Sandusky Register could be true. Whenever they've released unannounced park info before, it pretty much turns out to be accurate.

 

But as whole, I'm going to say that it's for that midway expansion idea I've had for a few years. Cedars Dorms will also come down, Perimeter Rd will be rerouted, and a new midway will connect the Blue Streak midway from Calypso's current location to near the bleachers in Celebration Plaza. This is just one rough possible idea of what it could be. As you can see, having a whole multi year expansion in addition to the dive coaster is possible...I'm not the best at Photoshop and stuff like that but I inserted an image of Sheikra and it fits perfectly and still allows for plenty of room. The blue indicates the Perimeter Road reroute, the red indicates the new midway, you can obviously see the image of Sheikra and how it does not even interfere with Cadillac Cars and Raptor, and then the green areas indicate free space for future attractions.

 

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This is a great idea. I feel that the Blue Streak is kind of forgotten back there. You see it when you come in, and in line for Raptor, but the entrance is sort of hidden. If they moved the entrance to the right (looking at station) and had a bridge to cross over the coaster and into the queue that could help the visibility of it with the new midway expansion.

 

Whatever is going to happen, it looks like it's going to take a lot of space!

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Cedar Point has updated their Fast Lane ride listings/prices. In 2015, regular Fast Lane does NOT include

1) GateKeeper, 2) Top Thrill Dragster, 3) Maverick, and, notably, 4) Rougarou

 

Regular FL starts at $55 while FL+ starts at $75

 

To me, this is a bit of a disappointment. I've done a trip to CP each of the last two summers. In 2013 I got FL regular on July weekend for $65, which excluded Gatekeeper and Dragster. It was a fairly good value, I got some re-rides in which I otherwise couldn't. GateKeeper's line was manageable without FL+.

 

Last year, in 2014, I did not purchase either FL because I had a 2.5 day trip. I think the prices were a little higher, but still reasonable, but also regular FL excluded Maverick.

 

In 2015, I don't know the specifics for the price range, but now there are four rides only on FL+. Doesn't that seem a bit much? I know, I know, supply and demand, people are willing to pay, etc. But, with Gatekeeper's incredible capacity, couldn't that be spared from FL+? Maverick and Dragster I understand- very popular, lower capacity. Rougarou as well, being the new hotness.

In my short amount of time at the park the last two summers, I haven't witnessed Gatekeeper's FL+ line being excessively long at all- nowhere near that of Maverick or Dragster. I believe CP is the only park in the chain with four coaster on FL+ exclusively. Anyone have any insight/shared understanding?

On summer days, it's hard for me to justify paying the $95-$110 for a FL+, which, compared to regular FL (whose only headliners are MF and Raptor), seems like a no-brainer. Why are all but two of the headliners on FL+, when, in other parks, it's only the newest coaster and generally a headliner/low capacity coaster?

 

I don't mean to rant of complain too much at all, I'm honestly looking for insight. It seems like they're making regular FL a very poor deal, almost requiring you purchase FL+ to really skip the long lines.

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Just wondering, do you guys think Cedar Point should have a waterpark expansion sometime in the next few years? I just looked at list of attractions at Soak City, and while it's not a bad lineup, you'd think it would have a bit more to do, considering it's the waterpark at the chain's flagship park. I think they could use a slide tower with trapdoor slides similar to the ones at the smaller CF parks because in recent years, trapdoor slides have become an expectation at most decent-sized water parks. A ProSlide Tornado would also be a good choice since those have become pretty popular. Or, is there a reason that they haven't done too much with the water park? Do they not have enough space, or is it not popular enough?

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I'm really surprised by Gatekeeper still being on FL+. It's kinda useless being on their with it never getting any line. Rougarou doesn't surprise me that much, but it'll probably will not be needed in a year like Gatekeeper. Dragster and Maverick should be on FL+ IMO. If too many people ride it at once the line quickly gets to an excessive length for paying so much extra. Last time I was their Dragster's FL line was at least 2+ hours, it was overflowing past the entrance!

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I'm really surprised by Gatekeeper still being on FL+. It's kinda useless being on their with it never getting any line. Rougarou doesn't surprise me that much, but it'll probably will not be needed in a year like Gatekeeper.

 

So how many days in 2013 and 2014 did you steak out and monitor GateKeeper's queue? I can tell you from working on that ride and speaking with others who worked that ride way more times than me that GateKeeper still posts a decent wait. The days you find it walk-on are likely days where there are a lot of walk-ons where I would question the need for a Fast Lane for any attraction.

 

Cedar Point isn't oblivious to the demand for their attractions, and the fact of the matter is that people are still willing to pay the higher fees for FL and FL+.

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