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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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Dive Coasters are one of the best rides B&M ever developed.

 

I couldn't agree more. It really does make you wonder if a Busch Gardens/B&M contract actually existed because the Dive Coasters are in my opinion their best and most innovative design... with not much of a price tag compared to other B&M's. I'm not much of a B&M guy, but I do love Griffon and Sheikra as they're my favorite B&M's and in my top 10 coasters.

 

If there is any doubt that CP doesn't have the best coaster line-up in the country, a Dive Machine would push them over the edge in my opinion.

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Can this memo be found anywhere online? But I absolutely love the idea! Anyone remember when Fury 325 was possibly going to be named Centurion? I think that could be a possible name for this coaster since they already have the Trademark.

 

I remember those days. That was back when people were discussing if Twisted Colossus would be a möbius coaster.

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I got to ride SheiKra back in October and I couldn't agree with Chuck more. The ride took me by surprise and it was loads of fun, so I couldn't be more excited for the idea of a large scale dive machine for CP.

 

Though keeping B&M's ride catalog in mind, I'll probably be skeptical of it actually having a creative or cool layout. Even if it isn't, I'm sure it'll be a winner. Definitely looking forward to this hopefully happening.

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Pros of dive machines:

-Vertical drops give a good hanging sensation in the front, as well as good pops of air in the back.

-Very visually pleasing and fun to watch, especially if splashdown elements are added

-It is different from everything else at Cedar Point

 

Cons:

-Aside from their signature vertical drops, none of them really have impressive or rememberable layouts.

-Large track budgets would make it difficult even for a park like Cedar Point to afford a full length dive machine.

 

Assuming this happens, I think that it will be more well-received than Gatekeeper. While dive machines are not my favorite coaster type in the world, one of these would seem like a good fit for Cedar Point, as they have nothing else exactly like this. It will not likely become my favorite attraction at the park, as I will probably continue to stick to Maverick.

 

On another note, does anyone else like the back row on dive machines better than the front? While I may not be as affected by the holding brake as others, what I find to be more terrifying is getting that pop of air in the back row as it slopes down to vertical while being 200 feet up.

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A new 2016 Coaster at Cedar Point would be amazing (they still need a themed attraction though IMO), and in with everyone else in this thread, I fully support a Dive coaster. They are really unique rides, they give off the sense of "Bigger and Badder" more than other rides.

 

Millenium

Maverick

TTD

Raptor

Magnum

World's Biggest Dive Coaster

 

Who can compete with that? Six Coasters that would place in the MItch Hawker top 100, with two more B&Ms, an Intamin, and 8 more coasters not included.

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The only reason I could see them using this restraints is if the ride has some sort of in line twist. Because weren't those restraint conceived as a way to combat the laterals on Wing coasters, which also makes me think that the only reason they are on Banshee is because of the in line twist

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Dive Coasters are one of the best rides B&M ever developed.

 

I couldn't agree more. It really does make you wonder if a Busch Gardens/B&M contract actually existed because the Dive Coasters are in my opinion their best and most innovative design... with not much of a price tag compared to other B&M's. I'm not much of a B&M guy, but I do love Griffon and Sheikra as they're my favorite B&M's and in my top 10 coasters.

 

If there is any doubt that CP doesn't have the best coaster line-up in the country, a Dive Machine would push them over the edge in my opinion.

 

Non-compete clauses are fairly typical in the industry for parks to protect their investment. They do, however, expire after a certain amount of time and are typically limited to a certain number of miles...

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I like how in Rougarou's description, Cedar Point describes it as the park's "first floorless coaster" as if they plan to add more. I might just be reading too deep into that.

 

Since when did Raptor, Gatekeeper and Wicked Twister receive floors??

 

On a side note, while very excited for this possible addition I can't help but wonder why Cedar Point has such a disinterest in adding a decent wood coaster to their already steel-impressive lineup. I am assuming Mean Streak's traditional days are numbered (If RMC steps in eventually), but even then, that basically becomes a steel coaster as well leaving only Blue Streak. Not that I care as long as the ride is good, but just thinking out loud.

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Look at the timeline

 

B&M have said before they take 3 years to produce a coaster, from sketch to opening.

 

The 2016 operating season is less than a year and a half from now, which means if true, CP is well past the selection stage.

 

If CP said they were in the selection stage for 2016 (which probably isn't possible for a project this big), that would mean they were deliberately trying to be deceptive, which makes me inclined to think this is true:)

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I really love this even though it's probably going to be totally forceless. I think it's a shame that Cedar Fair hasn't built many Intamin rides lately but Cedar Point already has 4 awesome Intamin coasters. They also have a forceful old school B&M in Raptor so even though the newer B&M coasters aren't overly forceful, Cedar Point isn't lacking in that department. Maverick and Dragster have that covered and Raptor, Wicked Twister and Magnum aren't far behind.

 

Since they already have all that and this ride would be totally unique to the park and the area (thanks to that holding brake element especially) I think it's the perfect fit. Plus, forceless or not these rides are amazingly smooth and a ton of fun.

 

I think that it will be more well-received than Gatekeeper.

 

Gatekeeper seems to be an absolute home run. Everyone would agree that it improved the look of the front gate and the ride area exponentially and the ride itself is a highly popular, very reliable people-eater that did over 2 million guests in it's first year. It also provides a very smooth ride according to everyone except enthusiasts who complain about B&M rattle being rough and in the next breath tell you that Magnum Xl 200 is their favorite coaster. Some enthusiasts complain about it but they probably make up about 0.001% of the total attendance. The idea that Gatekeeper wasn't well received because enthusiasts don't think it's forceful or don't like the incredibly comfortable restraints because "they hurt" is insane.

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Gatekeeper seems to be an absolute home run. Everyone would agree that it improved the look of the front gate and the ride area exponentially and the ride itself is a highly popular, very reliable people-eater that did over 2 million guests in it's first year. It also provides a very smooth ride according to everyone except enthusiasts who complain about B&M rattle being rough and in the next breath tell you that Magnum Xl 200 is their favorite coaster. Some enthusiasts complain about it but they probably make up about 0.001% of the total attendance. The idea that Gatekeeper wasn't well received because enthusiasts don't think it's forceful or don't like the incredibly comfortable restraints because "they hurt" is insane.

 

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When I was at the park this summer, I got the feeling the GP was very meh about GateKeeper. Over-hearing conversations, most people were talking about MF, Maverick, and TTD. I also noticed GK only had a line in the morning, while the big 3 maintained healthy lines throughout the day. Just my observation though.

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Raptor has always been the same way because of the location in the park so it's not a shock to see Gatekeeper in the same boat. Both rides chew through their lines in no time with 3 32 passenger trains and really fast crews. Both rides can get down to 5-10 minute waits at night but location is the big reason why.

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Raptor has always been the same way because of the location in the park so it's not a shock to see Gatekeeper in the same boat. Both rides chew through their lines in no time with 3 32 passenger trains and really fast crews. Both rides can get down to 5-10 minute waits at night but location is the big reason why.

I've rode Raptor at 9ish? It was a complete walk on. No waiting at all. It was also a Saturday in the summer.

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Exactly... full queue in the morning (pushing 2 hours sometimes), 5 minute wait / walk on at night. It's pretty typical and not indicative of the ride's popularity. Raptor is one of the top 5 rides in the park based on the ridership stats they posted for 2013. By the end of the day everyone is tired of walking and the rides are isolated by themselves in the front of the park and a long walk from everything else. Combine that with the fact that everyone probably rode those rides already, there are a ton of other rides to ride and the fact that the rides chew through the lines in no time at all and you end up with short waits at night. We love riding Raptor and Gatekeeper at night... especially if the Sky Ride is running so we don't have to walk to them.

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^ Agree with everything posted here. I think that's one of the reasons that - if this dive coaster project is truly on the table - that it makes a ton of sense from a number of angles. (1) Tt would be another popular attraction towards the front of the park, which hopefully will help balance the crowds more than they currently are; (2) it's another high capacity coaster, which is something that Cedar Point still needs more of IMO.

 

To coasterbill's point earlier, Gatekeeper sent through more than 2 million riders in each of its first two seasons. In 2013, Gatekeeper came up just short of giving as many rides as Top Thrill Dragster and Maverick combined. If you took the ride counts for the 3 highest capacity B&Ms in the state of Ohio (Gatekeeper, Banshee, Diamondback, in that order) you'd be able to absorb the capacity of Cedar Point's big 4 Intamin coasters (MF, TTD, Maverick, Wicked Twister) and still be able to absorb Iron Dragon's yearly throughput.

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