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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop!

 

Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area.

 

All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it.

 

Yes, this is true, but its not fair to chastise moneygrabber just yet, as his post did have some basis to it. Most of the new rides announced for 2015 have already begun construction, CP would have to start in 2 months...thats a lot of catching up they would have to do. Yes, Transformers in Orlando was built in 10 months, BUT

-it was a clone

-Orlando is suitable for year-round construction

-it did not involve any complex demolition, just ripping out a building on a city block and starting over

 

Meanwhile Mantis would need a full disassembly, along with the time it takes to build a brand new ride (vs a clone where all the kinks have been smoothed out beforehand...sure a Mantis replacement could be a clone, but its unlikely given its footprint). Then you have to add to that the fact that its built in a marsh, in an odd plot of land. And then theres the fact that Midwest winters have a tendency to be pretty brutal and full of delays. Yes, KK did it and it was very impressive, but the infrastructure was mostly there and Lightning Run was built on a plot of flat asphalt rather than a swamp.

 

I wont rule out the possibility of CP adding in a completely new roller coaster in Mantis' place, nor will I pretend to be an expert engineer. But I wouldnt discount the opinion that Mantis isnt going anywhere, either.

Two things:

 

1. I've been around a LOT more theme park construction projects that I'm sure you probably have. Why would even bother to doubt what I had to say on the subject matter?

2. I highly doubt CP is getting a "new" coaster anyway, so why is this discussion even continuing?

 

--Robb

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Did you guys realize what the reaper said to the person in the station? He said "Ever wonder why you're not supposed to stand up on Mantis?". Wonder what this means...

 

He said "step on a Mantis."

 

Sorry, I guess I interpreted it as what I wanted to hear.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop!

 

Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area.

 

All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it.

 

Yes, this is true, but its not fair to chastise moneygrabber just yet, as his post did have some basis to it. Most of the new rides announced for 2015 have already begun construction, CP would have to start in 2 months...thats a lot of catching up they would have to do. Yes, Transformers in Orlando was built in 10 months, BUT

-it was a clone

-Orlando is suitable for year-round construction

-it did not involve any complex demolition, just ripping out a building on a city block and starting over

 

Meanwhile Mantis would need a full disassembly, along with the time it takes to build a brand new ride (vs a clone where all the kinks have been smoothed out beforehand...sure a Mantis replacement could be a clone, but its unlikely given its footprint). Then you have to add to that the fact that its built in a marsh, in an odd plot of land. And then theres the fact that Midwest winters have a tendency to be pretty brutal and full of delays. Yes, KK did it and it was very impressive, but the infrastructure was mostly there and Lightning Run was built on a plot of flat asphalt rather than a swamp.

 

I wont rule out the possibility of CP adding in a completely new roller coaster in Mantis' place, nor will I pretend to be an expert engineer. But I wouldnt discount the opinion that Mantis isnt going anywhere, either.

Two things:

 

1. I've been around a LOT more theme park construction projects that I'm sure you probably have. Why would even bother to doubt what I had to say on the subject matter?

2. I highly doubt CP is getting a "new" coaster anyway, so why is this discussion even continuing?

 

--Robb

 

I certainly don't think he chastised me at all, and while I agree that Orlando is set up for great building potential year-round, the fact remains that Louisville, Kentucky isn't exactly ideal from November to March/April. I mean they refurbished an ENTIRE park. That's defnitely noteworthy and I didn't even think about it

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Count me in the crowd thinking it's going to be a re-theme with new trains.

 

Did I hate Mantis? No, I've gotten 2-3 rides in this year and I'm gonna ride it a few more times before it closes. But was it anywhere near my favorite coasters? No, I find Mantis to be a little bit of fun but I'm not exactly sad it's closing either.

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I'm still thinking that Mantis will be getting floorless trains and not get demolished because if you're going to completely remove a coaster to make way for a new one, why wouldn't you do it to something older like Iron Dragon or Corkscrew or Gemini? I guess there is a slight possibility it could get totally removed, but since the ride is only 18 years old, it wouldn't make sense to send it to the graveyard just yet. If Mantis was to get relocated, I'd say send it to Michigan's Adventure because at this point, anything would be a good addition for them. Although, with them stating that more details for 2015 will be released later on, I think that the coaster's structure will stay put and floorless trains will happen.

 

Also, with both Mantis and Skyrider closing in the same year, that leads me to believe that the other CF stand-up coasters' days might be numbered. I wouldn't be surprised to see Shockwave and the two Vortexes close in the near future.

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Is a new train enough to market it by? I think they'll have to load up on some other gimmicks, be it fire or sound or whatnot.

 

Come on... we're not talking Six Flags here. Hopefully they won't cheese ball it up like that.

 

I'll think less of CF is fire and/or music are added.

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if you're going to completely remove a coaster to make way for a new one, why wouldn't you do it to something older like Iron Dragon or Corkscrew or Gemini?

 

While I agree with your point about the conversion I have an answer for you on this...

 

Iron Dragon and Gemeni are incredibly popular rides. Iron Dragon's line is spilling out the entrance more often than not and Gemeni rarely has a long line due in part to it's capacity but has pretty good ridership. I don't know what kind of numbers Corkscrew does but it doesn't take up much room so removing it seems pointless.

 

If you look at last year's ridership numbers. You'll see that Iron Dragon and Gemeni both beat both Top Thrill Dragster and Maverick. Sure there are other factors like weather, reliability and capacity but the fact remains that those rides beat 2 of the 3 biggest rides in the park. The only rides listed with more riders than Gemeni and Iron Dragon were Sky Ride, CP & LE Railroad, Gatekeeper, Raptor and Millennium Force.

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Is a new train enough to market it by? I think they'll have to load up on some other gimmicks, be it fire or sound or whatnot.

 

Come on... we're not talking Six Flags here. Hopefully they won't cheese ball it up like that.

 

I'll think less of CF is fire and/or music are added.

 

Ahem, of course if Cedar Point were a Six Flags park. Mantis would get floorless trains and be renamed "Medusa"!

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I do hope they don't tear this down. I've only been to CP once and did get a chance to ride Mantis, thankfully. Having said that, one ride was enough... only because of the head banging that really hurt my ears by the end of the ride. I really enjoyed the layout, but the head banging kinda ruined it. That's why I'd really like to see them outfit some new trains and keep the track in place.

 

I agree with others that the stand-up concept has run it's course. Let's put some floorless trains on this thing and turn it into an incredible ride.

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I am in the minority of people that rode Mantis and enjoyed it. Mantis also served as my first Stand up coaster, watch it get sold to Dorney Park as a Stand Up.

 

 

i thought it was decent. but only rode it once in the last two years because i was focused on other stuff. it was a walk on when i rode, too. but to be honest, i only rode it cause i wanted the on ride photo, then realized after it wasn't included in the all day photo pass.

 

i did really like it when it was new before the trim brake though.

 

my hope is they move it and bring a totally new coaster, even if we have to wait longer.

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I'll shut up from now on.

Thanks.

 

LMAO!!! I don't know why but this made me laugh for a good 2 minutes!

 

Maybe they'll have some new, revolutionary train that puts you in a kneeling position and call it Praying Mantis.

 

This is funny too!!!!

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I rode mantis once when i went on my trip to cedar point. I didn't find it that bad as anyone is saying it is. I actually found it the least painful stand up I've been on. Also why are they still calling them selves the coaster capital?

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Also why are they still calling them selves the coaster capital?

Because what is the "coaster capital?" The park with the most coasters? The best coasters? With the best coaster operations? The most coasters with a 48" or over height restriction? There isn't any definition. So I think if Cedar Point wants to keep calling themselves the "Coaster Capital" I think they have every right to.

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Also why are they still calling them selves the coaster capital?

Because what is the "coaster capital?" The park with the most coasters? The best coasters? With the best coaster operations? The most coasters with a 48" or over height restriction? There isn't any definition. So I think if Cedar Point wants to keep calling themselves the "Coaster Capital" I think they have every right to.

 

What happened to "America's Roller Coaster"?????? I thought Kennywood was the "Coaster Capital"????? I have a cup that says so dammit......LOL

 

Anyway, I am guessing by the pics that say something along the lines of "Last Stand" they are changing trains. And by option 3 on Tony's tweet, they will be retiring the name and changing that also........

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