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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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Press release certainly says it's closing, it'll be removed. Wonder what will be the replacement?

How many time do some of us tell you? Mantis got a paint test, so it is obviously staying. Possibly transforming into a floorless coaster! Though CP does a good job throwing people off.

I don't think it's being removed, but if it's being relocated with a new paint scheme, they might want to see how it looks on a bit of Mantis before ordering lots of paint to repaint the whole thing.

EDIT:^^^ beat me to it

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Can we all just disagree to disagree? The point is, everything could be anything. CP was deliberately vague in some aspects here. The real question is whether or not they will announce anything else between today and October 19th.

 

Take the fun out of it, won't you? Wait, you already did. We're trying to figure out the new attraction! Let us speculate and argue!

 

Speculation is fine, I don't know something about lots of argument makes me uncomfortable. Seen too many spats in my life I guess. Continue.

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Press release certainly says it's closing, it'll be removed. Wonder what will be the replacement?

How many time do some of us tell you? Mantis got a paint test, so it is obviously staying. Possibly transforming into a floorless coaster! Though CP does a good job throwing people off.

 

Yes, we all know that. That was before Cedar Point themselves made this announcement. If it wasn't closing, and it was just becoming a floorless coaster, they wouldn't say it was closing.

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Six Flags has teased each RMC project as if they were total removals of the ride that was there before, and each time, in theory they were removed, but rather updated. There's nothing saying that Cedar Point couldn't be doing the same thing with this announcement. Mantis as we know it may be going away, but there's nothing saying that the structure and track may not remain for whatever comes next.

 

Let's wait until official details are released before we rule out anything.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

 

I could see a new coaster replacing Mantis for the 2016 season.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

 

Especially with those winters, this is a good point.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

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The track isn't going anywhere. I can imagine if parks keep arrow loopers and other crapp coasters for as long as they do, a less crappy well built ride like Mantis will be here for a while.

 

My only speculation is that maybe we will see a different type of trains from the traditional floorless train design. At the very least I'm sure it will have B&M's new over the shoulder restraints.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I'm just saying this on my experience with CP. This my home park. I have seen them start Big projects like Maverick in September, let alone October.

 

I have also built some sweet K'nex Coasters

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I really think that they are removing Mantis. I think it would be hard to market new floorless trains and a new coat of paint as a new ride. To the GP, they would simply see it as an update to the current ride, but not a completely new ride. I know that Six Flags markets the RMC conversions as new rides, but that is because they completely changed the layout of them. If they were to do that for Mantis, then I would say it could be marketed as a new ride, but they probably won't change the layout of Mantis at all.

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A floorless Mantis conversion would be pretty great, but...the whole faking the "death" of a coaster thing is starting to turn into a bit of a cliche now. Cyclone, Colossus, and Mantis just in one year?

 

Assuming it is what's going on, of course, but it does seem likely from the wording.

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It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop!

 

Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area.

 

All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it.

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Really well done video!

 

On October 19th they are going to announce Mantis has been sold to Darien Lake, calling it.

 

ummmm.... WHAT?! How did you come to that conclusion?

 

Well, it's obvious Darien Lake wants to set the record for "most standup coasters kept perpetually in a field". This is their chance to really hit the big time.

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