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^Yea, it was a little odd. But overall, I really only disagreed with two of his picks. ...Raptor/Batman and MF/X2. The way I see it, from top to bottom SFMM has the better collection, while CP's top 3 (MF, TTD, Maverick) beats anything the Mountain has to offer.

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Did they happen to mention how heavy that train is?

OK these are freaking cool. https://cedarpointonlineshop.com/

Made it out to Cedar Point this past weekend, October 17th-18th with my mom and dad to visit my sister working at the park. My sister works at Dorney, but since they closed early, a bunch of full time

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^Yea, it was a little odd. But overall, I really only disagreed with two of his picks. ...Raptor/Batman and MF/X2. The way I see it, from top to bottom SFMM has the better collection, while CP's top 3 (MF, TTD, Maverick) beats anything the Mountain has to offer.

 

That's a fair assessment in relation to the article, but taking everything else into consideration, SFMM lacks flats, whereas CP has some very nice ones. Also, CP is more vacation-like to me. It feels more like a park you spend a few days at than SFMM. Just my opinion though...

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^Yea, it was a little odd. But overall, I really only disagreed with two of his picks. ...Raptor/Batman and MF/X2. The way I see it, from top to bottom SFMM has the better collection, while CP's top 3 (MF, TTD, Maverick) beats anything the Mountain has to offer.

 

That's a fair assessment in relation to the article, but taking everything else into consideration, SFMM lacks flats, whereas CP has some very nice ones. Also, CP is more vacation-like to me. It feels more like a park you spend a few days at than SFMM. Just my opinion though...

 

Thats how I always look at this situation. People who are die hard fans of both places "swear on their lives" that their park is better.

Honestly, the only way MM even compares to Cp is simply their coasters. CP has them beat in every other category. How do people see these parks as similar/comparable beyond coasters? This remains a mystery to me..

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While Magnum and Goliath are closest in height, it's really apples and oranges other than that. I think Magnum should have gotten the win. Goliath should have been compared to MF though, and Cedar Point still gets the win. They probably should have paired up Magnum and Viper, also apples and oranges really, but a bit more fair of a comparison.

 

Also, how old is that? I thought it was old when they showed Deja VU, but then they have Green Lantern on it.

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^Yea, it was a little odd. But overall, I really only disagreed with two of his picks. ...Raptor/Batman and MF/X2. The way I see it, from top to bottom SFMM has the better collection, while CP's top 3 (MF, TTD, Maverick) beats anything the Mountain has to offer.

 

That's a fair assessment in relation to the article, but taking everything else into consideration, SFMM lacks flats, whereas CP has some very nice ones. Also, CP is more vacation-like to me. It feels more like a park you spend a few days at than SFMM. Just my opinion though...

 

Thats how I always look at this situation. People who are die hard fans of both places "swear on their lives" that their park is better.

Honestly, the only way MM even compares to Cp is simply their coasters. CP has them beat in every other category. How do people see these parks as similar/comparable beyond coasters? This remains a mystery to me..

 

True C.P. is more of a "vacation destination" than the Mountain. I grew up in Cleveland (so this was my home park), and know how good the employees have been (past tense) at C.P. I go to M.M. more frequently now because of the rides, and personally I find the employees much better and very hospitable. I know many will differ with me, but things changed at C.P. about 4 or 5 years ago and have never been the same.

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That's a fair assessment in relation to the article

 

Well yea, I was replying to a reply about the article after all.

 

As for the parks... I enjoy going to both, so there's really no reason for me to pick a favorite.

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Seems were still the best park. What else is new?

 

These awards are getting more pathetic each year. Clearly there are some shenanigans going on.

 

Speaking of shenanigans.... The CF trend of Giga Coasters. I beleive CF(Kinzel) refused to build a Giga taller/Faster than MF, just for Cp bragging rights. Like how I305 was originally 94, and then trimmed(for good reason) and then re-profiled. Now it's advertised as "excess of 90 mph". Just say 94. The same for Leviathan, just 1 foor taller than I305. If any other park (other than CF) were to build a Giga, it wouldn't just barely reach 300'. CP/CF needs to get over MF, quit milking the dang cow already.

 

Sorry, needed to let that out.

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Out of curiosity, what do you feel like they could do going any higher on these types of coasters? They're all about speed, and showing that off. All making them higher does is make them slightly faster at a higher cost (I would think). Its probably just not beneficial enough to build anything taller. And we've yet to see Six Flags build a Giga for some unknown reason.

 

If the two major chains aren't building them, and no one overseas is doing it, there is probably a solid reason for NOT building it. Just sayin'

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If the two major chains aren't building them, and no one overseas is doing it, there is probably a solid reason for NOT building it. Just sayin'

 

It has to be the cost-benefit equation. The "coaster wars" have cooled down significantly lately and the reality is that a $10m addition will draw roughly the same number of visitors as something that costs $30-40m.

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The thing about building rides taller is that the increase in speed from the added height isn't all that huge.

 

Here is a dumb graph to show what I mean. You can see that tripling the height doesn't even double the speed.

 

It has a lot to do with wind resistance and wheel diameter. For instance, TTD goes 120mph on the way up the tower, and then crawls slowly over the top, the speed coming down on the other side probably is in the realm of 100mph even though the distance traveled on the way up and down is pretty much the same, it doesn't get all it's speed back.

 

So when looking at a coaster like Leviathan, if B&M was to build a coaster 400' tall, the 2nd hill wouldn't be all that much taller than Leviathan's 2nd hill because so much speed would be scrubbed off by wind resistance and friction from the small wheels.

 

Train design would have to change drastically in order to achieve higher speeds. They would have to be much more aerodynamic and have larger diameter wheels. Then in the interest aerodynamics you might as well make it enclosed, but doing that would just ruin a large part of the experience.

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Even if you enclosed the ride vehicle and did a ton of work to reduce wheel resistance, eventually by building a coaster tall enough you'd reach terminal velocity anyways (unless you plan on enclosing the track, pressurizing the train, and making the entire course a vacuum). The faster the train goes, the more ground it covers over a specific period of time. Unless you launch the train into a huge drop, you're simply not going to have significant gains in terms of increasing speed from a 300ft-400ft drop with anything mechanically that you do which can realistically be accomplished.

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If the two major chains aren't building them, and no one overseas is doing it, there is probably a solid reason for NOT building it. Just sayin'

 

It has to be the cost-benefit equation. The "coaster wars" have cooled down significantly lately and the reality is that a $10m addition will draw roughly the same number of visitors as something that costs $30-40m.

 

 

This. It is all about maximizing your ROI. Parks realize that a unique draw that is cheaper is better than building something uuber expensive - plus I also think they are realizing that the life cycle of rides is a little less than it used to be.

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It is neat to see those overhead shots of the former Disaster Transport plot. It is interesting to see just how much space is available now that the ride is gone.

 

As for the Space Spiral, I'm curious to see if the ride will be scrapped or disassembled to be sent to another park.

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A brief trip report:

 

Went to the park yesterday with my wife, daughter, mom, and dad. My folks haven't been there in nearly twenty years, but this just worked out to be the perfect time schedule-wise to go for them, even though it was, shudder, a Saturday. I'm not sure if it was providence, or my pre-order of Fastlane passes, but the park was damn near dead. Millie and TTD were 15 minutes all day, and only Maverick saw a true boon to our red wristbands-Bwahaha, 45 minutes? Not today!

 

In any case, great trip, though my mom was bummed that Windseeker was down, she was excited for the view. I was honestly shocked how light the hordes were, and I would keep it a guarded secret just how toned down the crowds are the weekend after Labor Day, but before Halloweekends. Wink wink.

 

A brief aside:

 

I'm sure I'm not the first to notice this, but TTD ran great today in 70 degree weather! Is high heat the reason for the seemingly normal constant string of malfunctions on summer days?

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