Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[coasterbill]

Just a friendly reminder that Firechaser Express is awesome, has a 39 inch height requirement and every park needs a ride just like it immediately.

[Mossed]

Just a friendly reminder that Firechaser Express is awesome, has a 39 inch height requirement and every park needs a ride just like it immediately.

 

That same ride would also have a 48 inch height requirement at Cedar Point for some reason.

[thrillseeker4552]

Just a friendly reminder that Firechaser Express is awesome, has a 39 inch height requirement and every park needs a ride just like it immediately.

 

 

I haven't ridden Firechaser Express, but considering its very low height requirement and VERY broad appeal, I'm surprised more parks aren't picking up Gerstlauer family coasters. I think something like this would work very well at Cedar Point. Even if it was 42" instead of 39", that's still much better than 48".

[LiftThrill]

I'm not the biggest fan of Firechaser Express but I love its terrain interaction and direction-changing layout. Something like that would be a great replacement for CCMR, but then again so would pretty much anything.

[thrillrider]

Mine Ride sucks, I wouldn't bat an eye if they removed it. It's on prime expansion space too

 

It's a great ride for family's....even though the height requirement is 48 inches for some reason. Every coaster can't be 100 mph and 500 feet tall.

 

Even by family coaster standards, Mine Ride is awful. I don't get why people immediately equate "taking out a sucky mine train" to "replacing all the family friendly rides with x t r e m e t h r i l l s"

 

There are tons of other family friendly coasters that would utilize that space better than CCMR. It has the same height requirement as Millennium Force and is on probably the best expansion space CP has. A smaller GCI like InvadR, or even just a less sucky mine train (although that won't happen) would be great there. It's not blasphemous (is it???) to think that even for a family coaster CCMR is laughably bad.

 

I disagree.

For a family ride, it was the only coaster my daughter wanted to ride over and over again. She outgrew the kid coasters(Woodstock and jr gemini), and loves mine ride. Now she is a lot braver and rides all of the larger coasters in the park, however....she still makes it a point to ride mine ride every visit.

It's a good mid sized coaster for those that are not into the larger/faster coasters. Iron dragon and "maybe" blue streak are the only other coasters in the park that are for the people not into the huge coasters. Remember...cedar fair is really anal about height requirement. Similar rides at other park chains have much lower height requirements. For example, my son can ride the demon coaster at six flags great America, but he needs to be 6 inches taller to ride corkscrew at cedarpoint. My parents still visit the park once a year, and the only coasters they still go on is blue streak and mine ride. They dont do the bigger/faster coasters. My mom even mentioned to me on her latest visit that she was glad that they still had mine ride, because without it she wouldn't have much to ride anymore at the park.

 

I wouldn't say that mine ride is the greatest coaster in the world, but it does it's job. People need to realize that coaster geeks are not the only demographic that the park attracts. Family's make up a big percentage of people that visit the park.

I'm all for putting new trains on the ride. One of the issues with mine rides trains are the seats. Years ago, the seats used to be cushiony foam that you would sink into. When they redid the trains, they put in hard seats and did not take into consideration that people are losing a few inches of room because you no longer sink down into the cushion seat anymore. I believe it was that same time that the height requirement changed as well(don't quote me on that, I'm just going by memory). A few tweaks to the ride could make a huge difference for guests.

 

As far as that plot of land being the best expansion space is crazy. You have to remember that the train tracks and the water are obsicals next to mine ride as well. Is it a plot that can be used?...sure. Is it the best plot? Short answer is probably not.There are several other large plots of land in the park. Here are just a couple..

1. The island. The dinosaurs are going extinct soon. The island is a large area that has more than enough room to be home to a whole new area of the park, including a few well placed coasters.

2. The shoot the Rapids site. This is a large space that is kinda a eye sore right now. The ripcord can easily be moved again, or better yet just removed.

3. The sandcastle hotel space. This area could be home to a large expansion for the park.

4. Behind the main midway games are(behind Johnny rockets). There is basically just a Warehouse that occupies that area, and that could be moved easily.

5.frontier trail. Granted that there is no large area besides the shoot the Rapids area, but you could squeeze in a mid sized coaster or a few rides into the area that fits right in with the frontier trail theme.

6. The picnic area in the front of the park next to blue streak. This area can easily be relocated, and that would open up a good sized area for expansion.

7. I'm not 100% sure about this one, but I thought there was a smaller chunk of land between maverick, and thunder canyon behind the old carousel building that now houses a halloweekends haunt. You could weave a coaster into that area.

8. The stadium area where the night time show is now. Sure its probably not a large enough area for a coaster, but a great spot for a huge flat ride or a good spot to relocate ripcord.

9. The area that is now used for the Bayou haunted trail. That area and the area behind dragsters lockers combined, are plenty of room for a coaster as well.

10. Last but not least, the area that the cedars dorms sits on(next to famous Daves). This building is falling apart, and has been rumored to be going away for some time now. A simple reroute of that part of the Perimeter Road would open up a decent sized area.

 

Just because "you" don't like an attraction, does not mean it "sucks" or should be removed. I'm not a huge fan of Gemini, but I dont think it would make sense to remove it because I know that people still enjoy it. What's next? Should we remove all the kiddy rides because they essentially do the same thing by going in circles?

[Stealth1]

If you think Cedar Point is bad for height requirements try Canada's Wonderland. A lot of the big thrill rides and coasters are 54". My neice who is 52" now could ride almost everything at Cedar Point but at Wonderland there is a lot she can't. Same chain but different rules

[thrillrider]

If you think Cedar Point is bad for height requirements try Canada's Wonderland. A lot of the big thrill rides and coasters are 54". My neice who is 52" now could ride almost everything at Cedar Point but at Wonderland there is a lot she can't. Same chain but different rules

 

Wow...that's crazy.

I wonder if its because it's in another country, and they have different standards for amusement rides?

[MidwestThemeParks]

Do we usually know by now when Cedar Fair parks are making 2019 announcements? Didn’t they do them on National Roller Coaster Day last year, which is 4 days away?

[Coaster19]

Do we usually know by now when Cedar Fair parks are making 2019 announcements? Didn’t they do them on National Roller Coaster Day last year, which is 4 days away?

 

Cedar Fair typically doesn’t do them all on the same day, Like SF. They are spread out through now until next year (sometimes). But you are correct in saying a lot of them happened on NRCD last year.

 

 

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[thrillrider]

Do we usually know by now when Cedar Fair parks are making 2019 announcements? Didn’t they do them on National Roller Coaster Day last year, which is 4 days away?

 

Cedar Fair typically doesn’t do them all on the same day, Like SF. They are spread out through now until next year (sometimes). But you are correct in saying a lot of them happened on NRCD last year.

 

 

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Does anybody know if six flags has announced what day they are announcing new attractions?

[Stealth1]

I have been to the park many times and have always wondered what the round building beside Chick Fil-A is/was used for? It looks like its been there for a long time.

[ernierocker]

^I was wondering the same thing and all I can tell is that its current use is for one of the houses during the halloween event.

[FeelTheFORCE]

That building used to house the frontier carousel from 1972 to 1994. From Wikipedia, a 1921 Dentzel wooden carousel with 50 jumping horses, 12 standing horses, 4 menagerie animals (1 deer, 1 giraffe, 1 lion, 1 tiger) and 2 chariots. It was purchased from Lansing, Michigan and moved to Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom in 1995. The carousel building still stands in Frontier Town and is used as a haunted house during HalloWeekends. It is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

[rjr19]

Attendance problems certainly aren’t showing right now at CP! I just found a very rare sight these days:

[drevil0208]

If you think Cedar Point is bad for height requirements try Canada's Wonderland. A lot of the big thrill rides and coasters are 54". My neice who is 52" now could ride almost everything at Cedar Point but at Wonderland there is a lot she can't. Same chain but different rules

 

Wow...that's crazy.

I wonder if its because it's in another country, and they have different standards for amusement rides?

 

The only 2 coasters at Canada’s Wonderland with 54” requirement are Behemoth and Leviathan, both have B&M clamshell restraints. I believe every B&M in North America with clamshells has a 54” requirement.

[Mike.korz]

Attendance problems certainly aren’t showing right now at CP! I just found a very rare sight these days:

 

 

 

Could school starting in the after next week be playing that push in attendance this weekend? Likely all next week too!

[robbalvey]

If you think Cedar Point is bad for height requirements try Canada's Wonderland. A lot of the big thrill rides and coasters are 54". My neice who is 52" now could ride almost everything at Cedar Point but at Wonderland there is a lot she can't. Same chain but different rules

 

Wow...that's crazy.

I wonder if its because it's in another country, and they have different standards for amusement rides?

 

The only 2 coasters at Canada’s Wonderland with 54” requirement are Behemoth and Leviathan, both have B&M clamshell restraints. I believe every B&M in North America with clamshells has a 54” requirement.

[Stealth1]

If you think Cedar Point is bad for height requirements try Canada's Wonderland. A lot of the big thrill rides and coasters are 54". My neice who is 52" now could ride almost everything at Cedar Point but at Wonderland there is a lot she can't. Same chain but different rules

 

Wow...that's crazy.

I wonder if its because it's in another country, and they have different standards for amusement rides?

 

The only 2 coasters at Canada’s Wonderland with 54” requirement are Behemoth and Leviathan, both have B&M clamshell restraints. I believe every B&M in North America with clamshells has a 54” requirement.

 

I was also including flat rides which most at Wonderland are 54" too.

[pianojohn]

Finally got my Steel Vengeance credits!

 

Just returned from a quick trip home to Ohio for my 35th high school reunion!

 

I was able to squeeze in a few days at Cedar Point, my home park and where I played piano for 5 seasons!

 

Some quick points:

 

Stayed at the Express Hotel which was recently updated. Nice room, close to the park, and relatively affordable. When I come back in September, I will stay at the Breakers.

 

I bought FastLane Plus for Thursday since I wasn't arriving until after 4pm that day. If you're a Platinum Pass holder, you can buy FastLane Plus for the price of a regular FastLane! Saved me $20 AND hours of waiting in line!

 

Did the Snoopy breakfast the 2nd day. Good food, fun characters, AND (the best part), I was able to park in the Breakers parking lot and use the Gemini/Magnum/Resort gate for early admission. This meant I was able to run to Steel Vengeance and be on the 2nd train of the day. If you're a regular park guest, you have to use the main entrance, and that is a LONG way back to the back of the park.

 

Steel Vengeance. WOW. My first ride was very disorienting. Unless you ride in the front, you really cannot see what is coming up.

For our 2nd ride, we opted for the back row. And we rode it at night.

In my opinion, the absolute BEST night ride on a coaster and my new #1. It was just mind blowing!

 

On to the pics!

The obligatory front gate pic

Finally here!

Wow

Wow again

My first ride

Hotel guests

Breakers

2nd ride at night

Food

More lobby photos

Rotunda

Breakfast. And all you can eat!

AND it was Snoopy's birthday!

My front seat ride the 2nd day

Photos you can only get when driving around the point

So, when I rode Twisted Timbers in April, I wore a Steel Vengeance t-shirt. It was only appropriate to wear a Twisted Timbers t-shirt when riding Steel Vengeance!

Edited August 13, 2018 by pianojohn

[WolfBobs]

Love the Geauga Lake shirt!

[coasterbill]

Great report!

 

PS: Not to be graphic but the Steel Vengeance on-ride-photo artwork with that splatter of orange on the lower left NEVER fails to give the illusion that there's a rider slightly ahead of you in the train that just blew chunks and the photo is capturing the last few milliseconds of happiness for the person in the photo. In these images, the faces of the riders ahead of you only add to this illusion.

 

[pianojohn]

Great report!

 

PS: Not to be graphic but the Steel Vengeance on-ride-photo artwork with that splatter of orange on the lower left NEVER fails to give the illusion that there's a rider slightly ahead of you in the train that just blew chunks and the photo is capturing the last few milliseconds of happiness for the person in the photo. In these images, the faces of the riders ahead of you only add to this illusion.

 

Totally agree! And they need to turn off the video feature at night since it never works when viewing.

SV Video Day.mp4

Daytime video works great!

SV Video Night.mp4

Nighttime? Not so much

[bert425]

Glad you liked it!

 

I know I would have enjoyed it way more if I hadn't been hurting from the severe bruising on my upper thigh.

(which ended up being a torn quad). Those ejector air bunny hops at the end (not to mention the ejector air into the midcourse) just about made me pass out from the pain, so was a 1 and done for me. but I really really liked the 1st half, and that barrel roll inside the structure on the 2nd half is insanely great.

 

still. . I rode it once and really liked it, and look forwards to another opportunity to get on it if I ever get back to CP

[rcjp]

So here's what I think about the ride (as I hadn't commented yet).

I rode it not long after my first two RMCs (twisted cyclone and twisted timbers, which I loved) and so I was basically expecting a taller, faster and longer version of those with more or less the same level of intensity. My first ride was in the afternoon in the front row and it honestly was a bit disappointing. There was airtime all over the place, no doubt about that, but it just didn't feel anywhere near as intense as the other two. It didn't help that the MCBR was braking fairly hard. I thought this was because I had extremely high hopes (I kind of was expecting it to be my no one ride) but then these expectations had also been set by other much smaller RMCs and not just my excitement.

Later that day we had ERT on it (thanks to an amazing TPR tour) and it was running much better: it was fast, smooth, intense, twisty and the MCBR was barely on! This really made a huge difference.

 

So, all in all, it's definitely an amazing ride under any circumstances but even though those amazing night rides made me think this could be my favorite coaster I can't really say that given that it's only "that good" sometimes (when the MCBR is on I actually prefer Maverick, for example).

So I'm really curious about what will happen when they start running three trains (assuming they will) and how consistent this ride becomes.

[coasterlvr]

PS: Not to be graphic but the Steel Vengeance on-ride-photo artwork with that splatter of orange on the lower left NEVER fails to give the illusion that there's a rider slightly ahead of you in the train that just blew chunks and the photo is capturing the last few milliseconds of happiness for the person in the photo.

 

could be this guy picking and flicking whatever is in his nose too!