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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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The whole time thing has been an argument in my mind. With no announcement i'm thinking 2018 but the ride's progress says 2017 to me. But maybe not opening day. I feel like it might open later in the season. It would almost be useless but it could be a possibility.

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i feel like they're just waiting to see if rmc can pull off the project by opening day 2017 to announce it. there's probably a date and if rmc doesn't get enough finished by that certain date they'll delay it til 2018 but if they have enough finished by that date they'll announce it for 2017. the date would have to be coming close though because i'm sure they'd want to release the news before christmas

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^ That's not really how construction works. Construction companies generally have a good idea of the scope of a project. Unusual weather can cause the timeline to shift by maybe a couple of weeks, but no one is out there saying "It"ll either take 20 weeks or 72." Someone who says that doesn't know what they're doing, and you should find another construction company.

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^ That's not really how construction works. Construction companies generally have a good idea of the scope of a project. Unusual weather can cause the timeline to shift by maybe a couple of weeks, but no one is out there saying "It"ll either take 20 weeks or 72." Someone who says that doesn't know what they're doing, and you should find another construction company.

 

Agreed. I, by no means work construction, but have some buddies that do. I believe that when the company seeks out a construction company they meet with a project manager and tell the project manager the time line in the meeting, with a goal date typically ahead of the "go live" date to allow for any unexpected events (weather, etc...) I don't know if a company would really be able to succeed if they just said "Eh, let's finish it whenever we get the chance, if not this year, hey maybe next year we will get it."

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Also, some construction contracts have a bonus structure built-in. Deliver on time and on budget get a bonus, delay of the project the construction company must pay a penalty. Now there are also clauses that states verbiage regarding Acts of God, weather and etc.

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^ That's not really how construction works. Construction companies generally have a good idea of the scope of a project. Unusual weather can cause the timeline to shift by maybe a couple of weeks, but no one is out there saying "It"ll either take 20 weeks or 72." Someone who says that doesn't know what they're doing, and you should find another construction company.

 

Agreed. I, by no means work construction, but have some buddies that do. I believe that when the company seeks out a construction company they meet with a project manager and tell the project manager the time line in the meeting, with a goal date typically ahead of the "go live" date to allow for any unexpected events (weather, etc...) I don't know if a company would really be able to succeed if they just said "Eh, let's finish it whenever we get the chance, if not this year, hey maybe next year we will get it."

 

It will usually be pretty specific as far as project timeline. There will be an Owner/Contractor Agreement, which stipulates a Notice of Commencement date...starting at this date the contract will stipulate an amount of time, (usually in days) upon which a Contractor will achieve substantial completion. Sometimes but not always, written into the contract there may be penalties for days after the set completion date that a contractor does not complete the work, that the contractor will have to pay a penalty for each day beyond the set date. This is usually due to lost revenue due to the project not being completed, such as in the case of rental units (or possibly a ride which will draw guests and increase revenue) On the other side of that, there is also sometimes a bonus for work completed ahead of schedule. The schedule will typically shift due to weather or owner directed changes, but typically there is always a set date of completion.

 

Hope that helps.

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Ofcourse they do. We are part of their market, they like seeing how we react to things and some of our ideas. Actually, in Dick Kinzel's book he speaks about how they would read forums for ideas, reviews, criticisms, reactions etc. Don't forget a floorless conversion of Mantis was an enthusiast pipe dream for years before it happened.

 

BTW: I am not trying to say parks look to enthusiasts all the time, or act like enthusiasts are super important and blah blah blah

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BTW: I am not trying to say parks look to enthusiasts all the time, or act like enthusiasts are super important and blah blah blah

 

I feel like that disclaimer was put there specifically for me but I know what you mean, I'm picking up what you're putting down. It's great when parks are in touch with their fanbase and I think Cedar Point does a great job with this, but they realize that this is still a tiny part of the market whereas enthusiasts themselves take any attention that the parks give them and let it go to their heads until they think that they make up a huge percentage of annual attendance and are somehow better than everyone else ("the gp").

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Yes, it is said that there are those moderately involved in the industry who watch the forums for enthusiast feedback. However, I don't believe it happens as often as some enthusiasts would like to think it does. Your opinions are not as valuable as the all mighty dollar of 'Joe Non Coaster Enthusiast' who appears to more easily fall into a statistical graph. The opinion of the majority customer, even if ignorant, will always remain priority. However, it seems that pleasing both groups of enthusiasts and non enthusiasts at the same time often leads to such successes such as Fury, Maverick, Millennium Force, Magnum, ETC.

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They've got a marketing campaign going for the waterpark addition. Right now, it seems that campaign goal is driving season pass sales and securing bookings for next season. As long as that plan is working as desired, why would they spend more money? Right now, we're quite handily marketing this thing for them - building buzz, clamoring for info, telling friends, "They're doing something, but I'm not positive what it is...". We are free viral marketing. The day the webcam moved, can't you see Tony or someone sitting in the office just slowly panning it back and forth, hoping someone will be tuned in at just the right time to screen-grab and share it? Because I can. They certainly didn't have to move the cam. But they did. And now we have a new tidbit. And we speculate and buzz about it in all of our enthusiast circles.

 

And that's your conspiracy theory for the day.

 

Jay

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