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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Ever done pull-ups?

 

Ever done them with the help of one of those pull-up machines? The weight on the machine, allows you to pull yourself up more times with less strain on the body. It's a counter weight on a much smaller scale. Less strain on something as heavy as Valravn probably saves them a ton in maintenance cost.

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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Keeps a constant and proper tension on the chain. Too loose and it has a chance of coming off the gears. Too tight and it would break when a train would engage on it.

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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Ever done pull-ups?

 

You're talking to a bunch of coaster enthusiasts here.

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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Ever done pull-ups?

 

You're talking to a bunch of coaster enthusiasts here.

 

 

The closest I have ever come to a pull up, is pulling down an over the shoulder restraint.

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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Ever done pull-ups?

 

Ever done them with the help of one of those pull-up machines?

WHOA! WAIT A MINUTE! There's a machine that makes pull-ups easier? Okay, I needed to know this about 22 years ago, back when the Presidential Physical Fitness Award required me to do one. One pull up. It was the third hardest thing I've ever done.

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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Ever done pull-ups?

 

Ever done them with the help of one of those pull-up machines?

WHOA! WAIT A MINUTE! There's a machine that makes pull-ups easier? Okay, I needed to know this about 22 years ago, back when the Presidential Physical Fitness Award required me to do one. One pull up. It was the third hardest thing I've ever done.

The one at my gym doubles as a pull-up and dip assist

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I should probably know this, but can someone explain (both physics terms and/or laymen's terms are fine) why a counterweight is needed?

 

I was actually wondering this myself.

 

Ever done pull-ups?

 

You're talking to a bunch of coaster enthusiasts here.

 

 

The closest I have ever come to a pull up, is pulling down an over the shoulder restraint.

 

Ride Oping and riding rides is a good workout. Especially when you have to try and get a restrain with a big person to register. A couple of years ago at VF someone actually got up on the fence to try and push down someone's restrain on PowTow. Yeah, that changed fast.

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Some awesome photos of Valravn from Twitter! I am probably WAY more excited about this coaster than I should be.

Nothing wrong with excitement. It certainly gives you something to focus on during the offseason. I avoided the dreaded "senioritis" in high school because I was more focused on Millennium Force construction than I was worried about being "finished" with school.

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Obviously I don't want to raise hopes up too high, but I don't see any argument, outside of the lack of immersive theming, why Valravn wouldn't be the best B&M dive coaster. From a layout standpoint only, it has everything the best dive coasters have (minus a splashdown, which isn't a positive for the layout, more for visuals, which, by the way, this ride will more than make up for IMO), along with about 1/3 more substance on the back end preceded by a taller and faster first half.

 

Assuming this ride has similar forces to the current best dive coasters (Griffon, Sheikra, etc), it's actually pretty impressive what B&M has been doing the last couple years. Arguably their best speed coaster (Fury), best wing coaster (Thunderbird), arguably a top 3 invert (Banshee), and potentially their best dive coaster.

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Looks like the winter tour and coastermania were just announced. This year, coastermania is no longer free. You must purchase a ticket and they are putting a cap on the number of people that can attend. I think this is a great idea, as last year there were some people that caused problems.

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Obviously I don't want to raise hopes up too high, but I don't see any argument, outside of the lack of immersive theming, why Valravn wouldn't be the best B&M dive coaster. . .

 

Haven't you heard??? It's clear from the renderings, and the POV that Valravn will be force-less, and boring. There is nothing new and exciting about the layout. The first half of the layout is the same as it is on all other large Dive Machines. Obviously nothing innovative from B&M. Oh... And don't forget the restraints. They will clearly make the ride un-bearable... Because you know, all the coasters with the B&M Vest restraints are awful, and need to be destroyed. They should just tear it down, and put in a Wacky Worm, or another highly over priced food stand.

 

Or at least that is the main consensuses from the majority of coaster enthusiast.

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I'm just saying it has more substance to its layout. As I said, *assuming* it rides similarly to the other dive coasters, I think it could be a really good ride. Nothing ridiculous about that.

 

Edit: Adding to this, that's like saying that during Fury's construction that it's ridiculous to argue it would be better than Leviathan based on the layout because it hasn't been completed yet. So... we're just guessing what the rest of the ride of the ride will do as construction moves along? Haha

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^^^^ I'm soooo glad they're finally charging for this event. I've said that for years. That will "weed out" a lot of people. Now ERT's are a joke with all the people attending free. I've been to every one since the beginning, and last year was THE WORST EVER! Everything was bad from the entry, food, free stuff. I wasn't going to attend in 2016, except now with Valravn I've got to! I realize this event costs the park a lot of money. Plus they've set the bar so high in the past. Two years ago they gave away $50. Gatekeeper jackets , not the junk they gave away this year. We've even had shrimp for lunch in the past. I don't expect that kind of free stuff, but going back to tee shirts would be best, and maybe a Valravn pin IMHO. We didn't even get anything from Rougarou this year which was strange. I'm looking forward to a new improved Coastermania in 2016!

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Edit: Adding to this, that's like saying that during Fury's construction that it's ridiculous to argue it would be better than Leviathan based on the layout because it hasn't been completed yet. So... we're just guessing what the rest of the ride of the ride will do as construction moves along? Haha

 

It's ridiculous to argue that it would be better than Leviathan without riding it. I was only pointing out how early on it is in construction to give us a little perspective on how far away we are from actually riding it, not to imply that once it was complete (but before it opened) it would make sense. It would still be ridiculous.

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