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Took a few pictures from this weekend. The park was packed, and we did not really ride much. Construction seems to coming along on valravin, and I was able to get a few pictures of it.

 

 

Onto the pictures......

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A few of the rides were down due to wind on Friday night

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My boys were having fun.

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The park was all decked out for halloween.

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It pays to get to the park early on a saturday before the crowds.

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Me......

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Nom Nom Nom......

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The witch doing the mackerana

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Mustache party anyone?

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In case you forgot where we are

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The fam enjoying the park

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Sunday was a beautiful day at the park

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Now lets take a look at the construction

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Nothing to see here

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Lots of footers. I would give it another month and vertical construction may start.

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This footer was massive

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Let's take a looksie at the track storage area.

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The sun was not helping me take very good pictures, but a lot more track and supports have shown up since I was there 2 weeks ago.

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I believe this is the top of the lift

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And this looks like the base of the lift

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Random non track pieces

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A few more random pictures...

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Took a few pictures from this weekend. The park was packed, and we did not really ride much. Construction seems to coming along on valravin, and I was able to get a few pictures of it.

 

Onto the pictures......

 

This footer was massive

 

I believe this is the top of the lift

-Valravn*

 

-That is what almost all CP foundations look like. The majority of that will be covered with grass.

 

-That is the holding brake for the first drop.

 

Thanks for sharing.

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^ Seemed like that yesterday too except Gate Keeper. It's the end of the season. Maverick and Millienum Force were still great. TTD was down for winds the majority of the day, ran about 30 mins, and went down for maintenance. You won't hear this often but I was thankful for Mean Streak's trims on the first drop. That ride has so much potential and I hope something is being planned to improve it.

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I get what you're saying but I disagree. Slowing down any thing is going to decrease the intensity along with frequency. If you were to drive over a speed bump at 5 mph verses 25 mph, which is going to be more intense?

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I'd feel them more at 25 because of the intensity. They probably aren't noticeable at 5. Mean Streak's trims are all about the structure and reducing track wear, but they also saved my back at the bottom of the first drop lol. It didn't seem as bad during my last visit in '13. It definitely needs track work. It may be next after Ghost Rider.

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I get what you're saying but I disagree. Slowing down any thing is going to decrease the intensity along with frequency. If you were to drive over a speed bump at 5 mph verses 25 mph, which is going to be more intense?

 

If you're traveling fast enough and you get to a small pothole, what happens? If you've spent enough time driving, you know that the forward motion of the car is such that you'll basically pass right over the hole with minimal vibration. With a coaster, this can be the case. Mean Streak doesn't always run on wheels that are down on the track, and when the block is off, you'll find the train sometimes riding on the under or side wheels to match the track curvature. If the train isn't going fast enough, sometimes it hits those and it ends up bouncing going uphill or through turns.

 

The smoothest rides I've ever had on Mean Streak in the last 5 years were with no block because it hits the track the way it is supposed to. Whenever the block is on, it is totally unrideable.

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That all depends on the size of the pot hole, so yes and no depending. And if there's a long run of pot holes that causes all four wheels to be on varying uneven surfaces at the same time, what happens? What you're saying about riding on the up stop wheels defies the laws of gravity. The only time the train would do that is during negative g moments which won't happen going uphill...Well...perhaps...if roller coasters had wings to create lift , but even then the transition from forward motion to vertical motion would create a positive g forcing the main wheels onto the track.

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That all depends on the size of the pot hole, so yes and no depending. And if there's a long run of pot holes that causes all four wheels to be on varying uneven surfaces at the same time, what happens? What you're saying about riding on the up stop wheels defies the laws of gravity. The only time the train would do that is during negative g moments which won't happen going uphill

 

It will ride on underwheels as long as the forces on the train are trying to move it up against gravitational force. This can happen on a flat surface or a parabolic one depending on how the fast the train approaches it going uphill. Additionally, you'll see trains that primarily end up running on side wheels depending on the surface. It is my understanding that many of the changes made to Voyage since opening year were to make those sorts of transitions move more fluidly by reducing stress points on the ride. My belief is that a lot of this has been done to MS, but that the manner in which it is operated negates those gains.

 

There's a much, much better description of what I'm saying that was done by Dave Altoff and can be found with a fairly quick google search. He's fairly well educated on the topic and is a certified ride inspector. But basically the argument that "trims will save maintenance cost" is largely theoretical and flawed.

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Took a few pictures from this weekend. The park was packed, and we did not really ride much. Construction seems to coming along on valravin, and I was able to get a few pictures of it.

 

Even Friday night was packed? That's unusual, but I wondered that being Columbus Day weekend and all...

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Took a few pictures from this weekend. The park was packed, and we did not really ride much. Construction seems to coming along on valravin, and I was able to get a few pictures of it.

 

Even Friday night was packed? That's unusual, but I wondered that being Columbus Day weekend and all...

 

Friday was not too bad. Millennium had a 15-20 min wait.

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^Oh, that's not bad at all!

 

That's why we prefer just going to the park on Friday night & skipping Saturday's altogether for Halloweekends. In six hours, we can usually ride all of the coasters and thrill rides (sometimes more than once), whereas I would be lucky to ride four of them on a Saturday (unless we bought Fast Lane Plus). As long as we don't do the haunts, lines are mostly non-existent.

 

Still holding out hope for this Friday although temps are supposed to be quite chilly. Will have to monitor to check temps, rain percentage and wind conditions.

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We have vertical construction!

 

Hello! I know y'all are excited, but please help us out and credit the source of your photos, especially when the park is closed. It helps maintain the integrity of the sources of information. Thanks, and more photos to come!

Tony I just have to say I absolutely love what you do for the enthusiasts. It would be even more amazing if you posted on here regularly

 

As for vertical construction, I imagine they're looking to get as much done before the harsh winter sets in. I think this project is way bigger than many of us are thinking--of course you have the worlds tallest, longest dive coaster, but the reconfiguring of the paths, new landscaping, new Marina gate, etc.

Oh, and that tunnel

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That all depends on the size of the pot hole, so yes and no depending. And if there's a long run of pot holes that causes all four wheels to be on varying uneven surfaces at the same time, what happens? What you're saying about riding on the up stop wheels defies the laws of gravity. The only time the train would do that is during negative g moments which won't happen going uphill

 

It will ride on underwheels as long as the forces on the train are trying to move it up against gravitational force. This can happen on a flat surface or a parabolic one depending on how the fast the train approaches it going uphill. Additionally, you'll see trains that primarily end up running on side wheels depending on the surface. It is my understanding that many of the changes made to Voyage since opening year were to make those sorts of transitions move more fluidly by reducing stress points on the ride. My belief is that a lot of this has been done to MS, but that the manner in which it is operated negates those gains.

 

There's a much, much better description of what I'm saying that was done by Dave Altoff and can be found with a fairly quick google search. He's fairly well educated on the topic and is a certified ride inspector. But basically the argument that "trims will save maintenance cost" is largely theoretical and flawed.

 

Maybe I'm a slight bit slow, but I don't think any coaster runs primarily on it's upstops or side frictions. The main wheels carry most of the load which is why they are the largest. The forces your talking about don't happen going uphill. It happens when the track direction changes and Newton's first law is applied creating positive, negative, or lateral gs or any combination of the three. The surface has nothing to do with it, especially since all coasters run on a steel surface.The only way to reduce stress on a structure/point is increasing support and/or decreasing the amount of force applied to that point, which is what trims are doing by slowing the train.

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That all depends on the size of the pot hole, so yes and no depending. And if there's a long run of pot holes that causes all four wheels to be on varying uneven surfaces at the same time, what happens? What you're saying about riding on the up stop wheels defies the laws of gravity. The only time the train would do that is during negative g moments which won't happen going uphill

 

It will ride on underwheels as long as the forces on the train are trying to move it up against gravitational force. This can happen on a flat surface or a parabolic one depending on how the fast the train approaches it going uphill. Additionally, you'll see trains that primarily end up running on side wheels depending on the surface. It is my understanding that many of the changes made to Voyage since opening year were to make those sorts of transitions move more fluidly by reducing stress points on the ride. My belief is that a lot of this has been done to MS, but that the manner in which it is operated negates those gains.

 

There's a much, much better description of what I'm saying that was done by Dave Altoff and can be found with a fairly quick google search. He's fairly well educated on the topic and is a certified ride inspector. But basically the argument that "trims will save maintenance cost" is largely theoretical and flawed.

 

Maybe I'm a slight bit slow, but I don't think any coaster runs primarily on it's upstops or side frictions. The main wheels carry most of the load which is why they are the largest. The forces your talking about don't happen going uphill. It happens when the track direction changes and Newton's first law is applied creating positive, negative, or lateral gs or any combination of the three. The surface has nothing to do with it, especially since all coasters run on a steel surface.The only way to reduce stress on a structure/point is increasing support and/or decreasing the amount of force applied to that point, which is what trims are doing by slowing the train.

Newton's First law is that an object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. I think that instead of going off what you think, you should read the article that was posted and more about how physics actually works.

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