Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[prozach626]

On 8/3/2022 at 9:03 PM, coasternut said:

Maybe the lawyers won't win and TTD will live again...

Um. Who's lawyers?

[AmyUD06]

8 hours ago, prozach626 said:

Um. Who's lawyers?

Please don't entertain baseless conspiracy theories LOL.

[rachelmadcow]

It would only make sense to add LSM if they can extended it somehow. As-is the GP wouldnt even notice the 20m investment that the overhaul of the launch system would cost. 
 

if they do add LSMs then they need to add a bowl section like accelerator. So that the GP will recognize it as “different”  or go nuts and create a Formula Rossa West 

I think the expansion of TTD is the most logical  route for CP since they will get a bunch of records  

regardless CP is never getting rid of TTD simply bc Kingda Ka exists. 

[AmyUD06]

7 minutes ago, rachelmadcow said:

It would only make sense to add LSM if they can extended it somehow. As-is the GP wouldnt even notice the 20m investment that the overhaul of the launch system would cost. 
 

if they do add LSMs then they need to add a bowl section like accelerator. So that the GP will recognize it as “different” 

 

regardless CP is never getting rid of TTD simply bc Kingda Ka exists. 

You're absolutely right on the first point about the GP not noticing.  The only thing they could do to counter that is increase the launch speed to re-take the "fastest launch in the world" and then just add some trims at the near the top of the spike so the train doesn't crest too fast.  But that's not going to happen; it's getting a new queue and some walls around the brake run or its coming out.

Also, since when did Xcelerator's two additional turns count as a "bowl"?

And please explain your logic behind CP not removing Dragster because a taller and fast (albeit, worse) ride exists in a completely separate market?

[prozach626]

Dragster is a crowd pleaser as it is now. They're either going to keep it the way it is and needlessly redesign the queue, or get rid of it and put something in its place.

As people have said time and time again, the launch did not cause this issue. It could have been replaced years ago if Cedar Point wanted to do it. This incident was a freak accident. It could just as easily happen on any roller coaster near any path. Heavy high velocity objects with multiple moving and bolted on parts can shed lethal objects at any given time.

Cork Screw's loop over the midway.

Mavericks sweeping turn over the pond.

Millennium Force's passes near the queue and over the pathway tunnel.

Gatekeeper over the main entrance.

Raptor's cobra roll aimed at the pathway.

The freaking sky ride...

 

37 deaths and 113 injuries have been documented from vending machines since 1979. This is a terrible accident, but it doesn't need to change the way the world works. I can promise you the lake has the potential to be far more dangerous than any of the roller coasters at Cedar Point.

Pay out. Put reasonable measures in place (fences/nets), and move on. 

[_s3_]

Vending machines kill on average of 4 people and injure upwards of 1,700 per year in the US. Weird factoid I learned from an NEISS article years ago but your point is valid though.

I understand the need or desire to the move the queue because of this incident. No simple netting is going to stop a jagged piece of metal hurling at near 100mph, and even fencing / walls (unless concrete) wouldn't really do much except for create a larger shrapnel path if that metal were to fly directly into it.

That being said, this has happened once in it's nearly 20 seasons of operation and it's occurrence shouldn't be an average, but one time incident that is solved and eliminated as a possibility to reoccur.

I guess from a PR perspective moving the queue would be solving the potential problem from both the insurance and GP point of view, but I do think it's overkill and brings up the question "do they anticipate this happening again?"

[Doppel Looping]

1 hour ago, rachelmadcow said:

It would only make sense to add LSM if they can extended it somehow. As-is the GP wouldnt even notice the 20m investment that the overhaul of the launch system would cost. 
 

if they do add LSMs then they need to add a bowl section like accelerator. So that the GP will recognize it as “different”  or go nuts and create a Formula Rossa West 

I think the expansion of TTD is the most logical  route for CP since they will get a bunch of records  

regardless CP is never getting rid of TTD simply bc Kingda Ka exists. 

While they are at it, why not raise it up 36 feet to at least match kingda in height

[AmyUD06]

19 minutes ago, Doppel Looping said:

While they are at it, why not raise it up 36 feet to at least match kingda in height

Sadly, some of these people will take you seriously and agree.

[SoCalJasonland]

It looks like a couple of the Cedar Fair parks have new passes.  The two bring a friend free tickets might make it worth it.  I don't know it I want to wait in line for one line skipping pass.    

Edited August 9, 2022 by SoCalJasonland

[thepoint4life23]

Kind of off topic but does any one know when the 2023 season passes go on sale?

[tndank]

Prestige right now. Gold and Platinum tomorrow. 

[Pedrinho]

I'm kind of disappointed,,

Just read the tweets from Tony and CP about the announcement of an announcement of an announcement, followed by a kind-of-farewell-looking Magnum video. So I made a kettle of pop corn and got ready for the hype here and - NOTHING?

I'm in the mix between being worried and proud of you all!

[boldikus]

How on earth is that a kind-of-farewell-looking video?

Perhaps there are no posts about it here because no one is dumb enough to assume those two tweets have anything to do with Magnum being removed.

[Pedrinho]

8 minutes ago, boldikus said:

How on earth is that a kind-of-farewell-looking video?

Perhaps there are no posts about it here because no one is dumb enough to assume those two tweets have anything to do with Magnum being removed.

I tried being sarcastic.

If you see the responses below the tweet, dozens of people think that it means Magnus is giong to go.

[boldikus]

The sky is blue, water is wet, thoosies are crackheads.

[Philrad71]

Think that they could do something similar to Steel Dragon and get updated trains?

[_s3_]

Welp, there is another coaster. "Wild Mouse" (appears to be a classic twist version of a Mack Spinner?) and moved flats:
 

Also nods to the "18th roller coaster" with Pipe Scream being considered a coaster and assuming that TTD isn't going anywhere.

[Invertalon]

Woo, should look nice. Not a huge fan of the orange/yellow color combo on the mouse, but otherwise  it looks good. I'm sure the pitchforks will be out for this one, folks. 

WHERE IS MY 2ND RMC??

[DoinItForTheFame]

Interesting news... Looks like the boardwalk area is going to be a nice fit for the park. I agree that the "18th coaster" kinda hints that Dragster will be staying. 

[grsupercity]

I would have liked to have seen more capacity on the mouse. Like Sierra Sidewinder style trains

[jarmor]

Then it wouldn't be a Wild Mouse. . .

[bert425]

think it looks great.

and opens up space for a trabant, or similar flat over where Matterhorn used to be.

[michaellynn4]

I'm a sucker for boardwalk-style areas in any amusement park. It's the Jersey in me. Can't wait to see the final product!

[_s3_]

Update via the official PR, the Wild Mouse is a Zamperla spinner:

https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog/media-center/cedar-points-heyday-reimagined-at-the-boardwalk

 

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Cedar Point's Heyday Reimagined at The Boardwalk

August 11, 2022

New midway, Wild Mouse roller coaster and Cedar Point’s Grand Pavilion dining venue coming in 2023

SANDUSKY, Ohio (Aug. 11, 2022) – The excitement and nostalgia of Cedar Point’s classic lakeside experience will be celebrated in a whole new way in 2023 when the park opens The Boardwalk, a new themed area just steps away from the very Lake Erie shoreline that made Cedar Point famous. The Boardwalk is a modern interpretation of the Cedar Point of yesteryear. New ride, dining and entertainment experiences for the entire family will round out the improvements coming to the former Lakeside Midway.

More than an amusement park, Cedar Point continues to expand its attractions, signature events and festivals, year-round overnight accommodations and multi-day offerings, giving families so many reasons to explore the park and create new memories while solidifying their annual traditions.

“The Boardwalk is our vision of what the classic Cedar Point Boardwalk would have felt like long ago: the sights, the sounds, the electricity of the experience – this new area captures it all,” said Carrie Boldman, vice president and general manager of Cedar Point. “Lakeside attractions have always been a part of Cedar Point’s 153-year history, and that tradition lives on. We can’t wait for our guests to enjoy this stunning new centerpiece of summertime fun.”

Wild Mouse Roller Coaster

Cedar Point’s legacy of roller coaster thrills continues with the addition of the Wild Mouse roller coaster. A nod to the park’s original Wild Mouse coaster, the modern version will provide a ride experience the original couldn’t – its cars will spin 360 degrees as they navigate the ride’s 1,312 feet of bright orange track.

The spins, dips, drops and hairpin turns of Wild Mouse will thrill coaster lovers young and young-at-heart. Standing 52 feet tall, the Wild Mouse ride experience is an unpredictable game of “cat and mouse,” complete with six mouse-themed cars and one cheese-themed car. The coaster’s free-form spinning action changes with the number of riders aboard each car, providing one-of-a-kind experiences with no two rides being exactly the same.

Riders must be at least 42” tall to ride with a supervising companion, or 48” tall to ride alone. Wild Mouse is manufactured by Zamperla® and joins Cedar Point’s unmatched ride collection as the 18th roller coaster at America’s Roller Coast®.

Cedar Point’s Grand Pavilion

Serving as the anchor to The Boardwalk, Cedar Point’s Grand Pavilion commemorates the park’s original Grand Pavilion entertainment space, which made its debut back in 1888.

In 2023, Cedar Point’s Grand Pavilion will take many cues from the original. The bi-level complex will be home to a new restaurant featuring culinary items not found anywhere else in the park (plus many traditional favorites), a lake view bar for relaxation and conversation, indoor and outdoor seating plus viewing decks with unparalleled panoramas of Cedar Point, the Cedar Point Beach and the Lake Erie shoreline. 

More Family Fun

Guests will be immersed in the evocative nostalgia of The Boardwalk with a full collection of family rides that are quintessential Cedar Point. Two existing family attractions, Matterhorn and Scrambler, will be relocated to The Boardwalk with Scrambler receiving a refresh and new name: Atomic Scrambler. The Tiki Twirl spinning ride will also be refreshed and renamed as former park classic Calypso. These rides join Wild Mouse, Giant Wheel, Troika, Dodgem, GateKeeper and WindSeeker in the park’s new hub for a full range of pint-sized to giant-sized thrills for the whole family.

$99 Gold Pass Returns

Guests can enjoy admission for the rest of the 2022 season and all of next summer at The Boardwalk with a 2023 Gold Pass, on sale for only $99 (plus applicable taxes and fees) for a limited time. The Gold Pass includes unlimited visits to Cedar Point and Cedar Point Shores Waterpark, free parking, in-park discounts and unlimited visits to HalloWeekends®.

Guests who wish to add Early Entry, a benefit that includes access to some of the park’s most popular attractions one hour prior to park opening, can purchase the Platinum Pass. In addition to Early Entry, unlimited admission and parking to Cedar Point and Cedar Point Shores Waterpark, the Platinum Pass includes admission and parking to the entire Cedar Fair family of parks across the U.S. and Canada.

2023 Gold and Platinum Season Passes are on sale now and available at their lowest prices. Guests should act fast – prices will go up on Tuesday, Sept. 6. To see the full lineup of Season Pass options and to take advantage of the best prices of the season, visit cedarpoint.com.

The Boardwalk is set to debut on the park’s opening day in May of 2023. For information on the project, including construction updates, guests are encouraged to follow the park on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Instagram.

 

[DirkFunk]

The area looks fine. Good way to reuse existing attractions to buttress a new one.

Beyond that very surface level analysis? Well, to date it is net +1 ride though I noticed that the Himalaya wasn't part of the mix there. Gotta wonder if its gonna be an orphan still in its location or will be hitting the scrap pile. Dragster there's no updates about but we weren't expecting that necessarily. Bath House Pavilion thingie is, uhhh, I mean, it's definitely a thing that will require more staff, which, hey, good luck guys. Might want to plan in advance on the bartenders to be paid more than park minimum wage if you want someone who can competently mix a drink. Biggest thing to me is that, well, the Himalaya could have played the exact same role as the Wild Mouse in this area. They didn't do that, which is fine and leads to us getting a new coaster, but doesn't do much as far as the biggest needs the park has. It seems wild to suggest this is a "hot take," but a coaster that will probably have a height restriction of 42 inches w/an adult is not the thing that the park needs most. Cedar Point needs a ride - ANY RIDE - that can consistently operate in wet conditions or in wind, preferably indoors. They have very, very little in that vein, and obviously they have no indoor rides of any kind.