Password121 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 ^I'd rather have the ride as is than cut the capacity in half. It's already got more elements than any other dive coaster, and you already have Gatekeeper to do the exact same maneuvers that Valravn would even be capable of (with the wide trains you can't have anything snappy). Sure, I'd love the first half to have maybe one more element, but the ride was designed as it is for a reason. And I think it looks like on hell of a dive coaster. It seems like most B&M's almost never use both course blocks at once, and the ones without MCBR's get along fine (like the gigas, which have huge capacity, don't they?). So I wonder just how it works, putting in a MCBR or not, that would be some neat insight. I recall someone that is active on this thread (a Cedar Point employee, I forget who though) discussing this exact topic with Gatekeeper's mid-course and how it affects capacity. I do agree though, Banshee and both B&M gigacoasters do quite well without the extra block. Cedar Point does have excellent operations, though, so I could see them needing the extra block with a super-efficient crew and given that the trains only hold 24 riders and fairly simple restraints. In terms of dive coasters though, it allows the second "dive," which is definitely one of the highlights of the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterLine Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Looks like they're done for the day... Construction Progress as of January 19, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBobs Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think some of us are forgetting that Banshee and the B&M gigas have uncommonly long brake runs at the END of the rides. So essentially that block is there. It's just moved from the middle of the ride to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 ^How did they make the decision to go for a dive coaster over other coaster types in B&M's catalog, such as a flying coaster? Does Cedar Fair have any special incentives for working with B&M long term (discounts, etc)? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firewalk13 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Ask if they are planning on a media day as with Banshee and Gatekeeper please. Though not an entirely new ride, I don't recall them doing a similar event with Rougarou, instead they did something with LeBron James' charity (which is certainly a good thing to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talon2017 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? this is not a joke please ask this. Will dorney park ever get a custom coaster again?" -patient dorney fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterMateo Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Hi Robb, could you guys ask about how long until they finish trackwork? (approx.) Another question that I had is; Why did they choose to go with the Vest restraints? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? this is not a joke please ask this. Will dorney park ever get a custom coaster again?" -patient dorney fan WTF? Did you READ what we posted? What would you like us to ask ABOUT VALRAVN. Seriously. Why would we ask a Dorney Park question at a Cedar Point event?!?!!? If you have a question about ValRavn, please post it, but don't waste our time. Edited January 20, 2016 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo von Sol Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? I believe there was a similar question earlier in the thread but I would like to bring it up again, "How does the current Valravn design differ from early schematic designs?" I would love to hear about some of the options that they considered for Valravn and discarded. Another question I would have is "How long did it take for Cedar Fair to decide on an Dive Coaster to actually purchasing an dive coaster?" I'm curious on how long it took Cedar Fair to consider all the options and settle on a coaster type to actually ordering one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluestreak Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? I'd love to know what kind of lighting package they are 0 planning on using on the ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalJasonland Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? this is not a joke please ask this. Will dorney park ever get a custom coaster again?" -patient dorney fan WTF? Did you READ what we posted? What would you like us to ask ABOUT VALRAVN. Seriously. Why would we ask a Dorney Park question at a Cedar Point event?!?!!? If you have a question about ValRavn, please post it, but don't waste our time. You could ask them if it is hard to work on VALRAVN when it is very, very, very cold outside and your fingers hurt. I always wondered that living in So Cal You could also ask them if one of those VALRAVNs would fit in Knott's but I am guessing that question would also be inappropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2coasterfreak Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 TPR will be on a construction tour of ValRavn tomorrow and we will have the ability to ask questions to the uber-important people of the park! What would you like us to ask about ValRavn? this is not a joke please ask this. Will dorney park ever get a custom coaster again?" -patient dorney fan WTF? Did you READ what we posted? What would you like us to ask ABOUT VALRAVN. Seriously. Why would we ask a Dorney Park question at a Cedar Point event?!?!!? If you have a question about ValRavn, please post it, but don't waste our time. You could ask them if it is hard to work on VALRAVN when it is very, very, very cold outside and your fingers hurt. I always wondered that living in So Cal You could also ask them if one of those VALRAVNs would fit in Knott's but I am guessing that question would also be inappropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBru Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd be really interested in hearing why they went with the 24-passenger trains rather than 30. I'd also be interested in knowing what kind of specifications Cedar Point approached B&M with. (Did they specifically want a dive coaster? A certain height? Specific number of inversions? Train/restraint requirements?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You could ask them if it is hard to work on VALRAVN when it is very, very, very cold outside and your fingers hurt. I always wondered that living in So Cal You could also ask them if one of those VALRAVNs would fit in Knott's but I am guessing that question would also be inappropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluestreak Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You could ask them if it is hard to work on VALRAVN when it is very, very, very cold outside and your fingers hurt. I always wondered that living in So Cal You could also ask them if one of those VALRAVNs would fit in Knott's but I am guessing that question would also be inappropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gad198 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd like to find out why B&M uses different angles for their first drop supports. Fury 325, Mako and Valravn have their larger first drop supports that are not straight up and down, whereas Shambhala, Diamondback and Behemoth all have first drop supports that go straight up and down. Is there a reason for the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP Maverick Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd love to ask questions, but I doubt they want to release that information publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayTheGForceBeWithYou Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Since dive coasters tend to rely more heavily on surrounding theming to complement the ride experience, can we expect to see any special landscaping/lighting/effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 ^Sure doesn't seem like it. You're going to get the naked, unthemed, raw B&M in a Cedar Point park coaster experience we've all been accustomed to. In my humble opinion, while I love the park, these kinds of things could really bolster the park, but they continually decide to go without it. I'd like to find out why B&M uses different angles for their first drop supports. Fury 325, Mako and Valravn have their larger first drop supports that are not straight up and down, whereas Shambhala, Diamondback and Behemoth all have first drop supports that go straight up and down. Is there a reason for the difference? Probably a design choice. An engineering choice as well. While ride experiences may seem similar to coaster folk, every park, every layout, every environment is different. They accommodate to that, then build the coaster accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 ^ I think it also has a lot to do with advances in technology/learning more over time. It happens all the time in roller coaster design. The engineers figure out ways to support things using much less supports, ext. To be quite honest though, the question we're answering is probably a question the higher ups at CP can't answer, as that answer lies with the engineers at B&M. My question would be how long was this ride in the planning stage and how long did it take to get to the final design? I'm curious to see if it was a long drawn out process or if it came together rather quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julioot Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd like to know if they considered any other manufacturers, or did they go straight to b&m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blk_mamba Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd like to know if they considered any other manufacturers, or did they go straight to b&m? It seems like B&M has been Cedar Fair's go to recently for their big additions. It kinda makes sense considering they hired a disney guy. B&M are the more beautiful coaster and they are capacity monster, another thing disney is known for. I'd like to find out why B&M uses different angles for their first drop supports. Fury 325, Mako and Valravn have their larger first drop supports that are not straight up and down, whereas Shambhala, Diamondback and Behemoth all have first drop supports that go straight up and down. Is there a reason for the difference? I assumed it was just the most cost efficient way to carry the load. Given Cedar Point's complete lack of theming or effects I doubt they break the bank on cool supports for the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well that's different than yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 We are live tweeting from the ValRavn construction your today! Follow along on Twitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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