Bedholm Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Intamin 200 ft wooden coaster in the proposed dive coaster's spot followed by an RMCed Mean Streak would give Cedar point something un matched by an park being the possibility of having the best wooden, hybrid, and steel roller coasters all at one park. I know back to back wooden coasters would be a bit crazy but the idea of having the best coaster in those 3 categories all in 1 park would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'm probably way off here, but I think it's gonna be an Intamin. They have obviously been in contact with them due to the restraints, which is kind-of random. A 200 ft Intamin woodie would be in Cedar Point style and might warrant construction starting this early. Again, probably way off though. I wouldn't call it random. If Cedar Point thought it was worthwhile to get Maverick some new restraints, then they'd do it. And they did. As for the plot created by these relocations/removals, I think we can almost be assured this is a coaster. A dark ride would not require such early clearing on such a large plot of land. As for an Intamin pre-fab, as awesome as they are, I don't see it. I'm not sure an average sized pre-fab would fit in that clearing, let alone one of Cedar Point scale (200+ feet). Also, working with Intamin on something so small as restraints to me does not point toward an Intamin coaster in the near future. Great Adventure got Zumanjaro in 2014- eight years after their last Intamin coaster (El Toro). There's no way in heck they're building an Intamin coaster next year, or the year after, etc. My point being, this is a small investment. It's not like CF had been morally against Intamin and refused to do business with them; they just saw other opportunities with B&M and had a really incredible run of Intamin coasters at Cedar Point. New restraints is not a risky investment; I'd be surprised it the price tag topped $100,000, in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnumFreak25 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 What I meant by random was just, Why now? The complaints aren't a new thing, they've been around pretty much since the ride opened. It's a cheap enough addition that they could have done it easily any year before know. To me it seems like they where in negotiations for another project, possibly a woodie, and intamin brought up Maverick's restraints. The park may have decided to replace those along with a new coaster. As for size, I think it could fit if they kept it compact. Especially if they tore down the employee housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOGdude25 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Wow! So many good changes!! I never had a problem with Maverick's restraints. It was already my favorite coaster at Cedar Point, and this will just make it better! I LOVE the additions to Twister Midway. Even though Gatekeeper helped bring in more traffic to that area, it still felt a little empty. The relocation of Calypso and Dodgem will help liven up the area a ton. Rougarou's trains look great! I'm still super excited about the floorless conversion. I know it won't make it the best coaster in the park, but it will at least make it way more re-rideable and enjoyable. I'm planning a trip in mid May. I can't wait to check out the new improvements as well as the new construction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRice92 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I hate to crash the party on working with Intamin, but I had a conversation with one of the maintenance workers about Mavericks restraints. He said they're replaced every 2 years as part of the regular maintenance and they just decided to go with the I305 style this time around. So there wasn't any "new" working with Intamin, as he said they were purchasing restraints anyway. On a side note I'd LOVE to get a 200ft Intamin woodie, but I think the dive coaster is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Intamin 200 ft wooden coaster in the proposed dive coaster's spot followed by an RMCed Mean Streak would give Cedar point something un matched by an park being the possibility of having the best wooden, hybrid, and steel roller coasters all at one park. I know back to back wooden coasters would be a bit crazy but the idea of having the best coaster in those 3 categories all in 1 park would be amazing. 1 - 800 - NOT GONNA HAPPEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halltd Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 1. NEW RESTRAINTS FOR MAVERICK!!!! Now all the pussies can shut the hell up! This is the best coaster news I've seen for 2015! So excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatabeast Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Now all the Wicked Twister midway needs is that boardwalk Tony joked about in his tweet. But seriously, that midway refurb looks great. I can't wait to see it in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpuddle Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Love the changes! Amazing to think of what that midway was like pre-2000. Definitely the most changed area of the park. Giant Wheel, maXair, Wicked Twister, Gatekeeper - all weren't there - Disaster Transport was still uglying up the Beach, and next year with the addition of two more non-coaster rides, it's literally an entirely new place! As far as an Intamin woodie coming in, it's apparent that those are incredible rides, but there's got to be a reason we haven't seen more of them. The last one was built in 2008. Don't replacement track segments have to be specially ordered? Park carpenters can't just re-track a section. That's got to be expensive, which I'm sure is a deterrent for most parks. Traditional woodies are already far more expensive to maintain than steel coasters. I'm afraid an Intamin pre-fab is just an enthusiast pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I hate to crash the party on working with Intamin, but I had a conversation with one of the maintenance workers about Mavericks restraints. He said they're replaced every 2 years as part of the regular maintenance and they just decided to go with the I305 style this time around. So there wasn't any "new" working with Intamin, as he said they were purchasing restraints anyway. In our group, this very question came up during the Q&A, and that was their response, so I'll cosign what you just said. There was also a "Is Intamin actually less reliable than B&M?" which led to a very, very diplomatic answer that clearly intended to say "yes" without actually saying "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheel1231 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 As far as an Intamin woodie coming in, it's apparent that those are incredible rides, but there's got to be a reason we haven't seen more of them. The last one was built in 2008. Don't replacement track segments have to be specially ordered? Park carpenters can't just re-track a section. That's got to be expensive, which I'm sure is a deterrent for most parks. Traditional woodies are already far more expensive to maintain than steel coasters. I'm afraid an Intamin pre-fab is just an enthusiast pipe dream. I heard that El Toro was pretty expensive (around $25 million) and that's why Plug 'n' Plays aren't that common. I'm probably wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I still predict it is a Dive Coaster for 2015 and a Mean Streak RMC conversion in 2016! Whoa! Floorless mantis AND a dive coaster in the same year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willthegolfer Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 El Toro only cost 12 million, I think plug-n-play Intamin's aren't that popular due to reliability. My thinking is that for that cheap, wouldn't it be worth it to take the risk on possible maintenance issues to get a world class coaster that will draw big numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephcissell Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 You guys have clearly all missed the boat on 2016. It’s obviously going to be a 200ft Intamin prefab diving Aquatrax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I am glad that they are relocating some rides over by Wicked Twister - I remember riding Tiki-Twirl a loooong time ago when it was in the location that Matterhorn is now. It will be in a good location with Troika not being too far away. I wonder how long the old Oceana aquarium building will hang in before they remove that? While I wouldn't want them to remove another area where they have live shows, I can honestly say that I have never been in the Oceana building since it was just that. The building just looks dated and too large just to house a BMX bike show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnumFreak25 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I hate to crash the party on working with Intamin, but I had a conversation with one of the maintenance workers about Mavericks restraints. He said they're replaced every 2 years as part of the regular maintenance and they just decided to go with the I305 style this time around. So there wasn't any "new" working with Intamin, as he said they were purchasing restraints anyway. That does make a lot more since then my Idea. But, if it is a Dive Machine coming in 2016, that'll probably be the last new B&M for a while. The only other rides they don't have from them are a normal sitdown, which I don't feel would fit with the park, and a Flyer, which CF has already said they don't like. They'll have to start buying rides from other companies soon, so I'm just hoping that's Intamin again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 That does make a lot more since then my Idea. But, if it is a Dive Machine coming in 2016, that'll probably be the last new B&M for a while. The only other rides they don't have from them are a normal sitdown, which I don't feel would fit with the park, and a Flyer, which CF has already said they don't like. They'll have to start buying rides from other companies soon, so I'm just hoping that's Intamin again. If they do build a dive machine and do a RMC makeover on Mean Streak after the Rougarou transformation back-to-back-to-back, I don't think they're going to need or want to do much coaster stuff for awhile. If they did, there's a lot of directions they can go in without Intamin where they've already bought similar things; dark ride/coaster hybrids from Triotech, Mack spinning coasters. Zamperla Motocoasters...one day they probably will call whatever iteration of Intamin exists then, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willthegolfer Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 You guys have clearly all missed the boat on 2016. It’s obviously going to be a 200ft Intamin prefab diving Aquatrax. And it goes out onto Lake Erie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 El Toro only cost 12 million, I think plug-n-play Intamin's aren't that popular due to reliability. My thinking is that for that cheap, wouldn't it be worth it to take the risk on possible maintenance issues to get a world class coaster that will draw big numbers? The $12 million figure may have come from a multi ride deal with Imtamin including Kingda Ka. That or it's just not true. The widespread belief is El Toro alone would cost $25 million, which is why parks aren't buying prefabs. Although personally if you're paying $30 million for Gatekeeper, El Toro is worth Cedar Fair's entire revenue stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willthegolfer Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 El Toro only cost 12 million, I think plug-n-play Intamin's aren't that popular due to reliability. My thinking is that for that cheap, wouldn't it be worth it to take the risk on possible maintenance issues to get a world class coaster that will draw big numbers? The $12 million figure may have come from a multi ride deal with Imtamin including Kingda Ka. That or it's just not true. The widespread belief is El Toro alone would cost $25 million, which is why parks aren't buying prefabs. Although personally if you're paying $30 million for Gatekeeper, El Toro is worth Cedar Fair's entire revenue stream. That's a good point on that multi-ride deal. But, I think 25 million is a bit high as Balder cost 12.6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnumFreak25 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Even if it does cost 25 million that really isn't out of CP's price range. A CP sized dive machine would probably cost that much anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Plug N Plays are probably not being sold left and right because someone else has a superior technology that does more and costs less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRice92 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I wonder how long the old Oceana aquarium building will hang in before they remove that? While I wouldn't want them to remove another area where they have live shows, I can honestly say that I have never been in the Oceana building since it was just that. The building just looks dated and too large just to house a BMX bike show. I agree the building looks very dated. In our Q&A session that building came up and they stated that the BMX extreme show is the most popular show in the park. So maybe a renovation in the next few years? I don't know but they said for now at least it's staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B8men Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Even if it does cost 25 million that really isn't out of CP's price range. A CP sized dive machine would probably cost that much anyway. More like 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnumFreak25 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The Leaked cost is totally wrong. Griffon cost more than 15 mil back in 2007, and Baron will cost 20 Mil. There is now way a CP Dive coaster would cost that little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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