kidcoaster 2 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 ^ That is the correct date. The move probably has to do with ace having spring con there in may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Does that mean no mayflies this year?? Not having to walk off Millennium at 5am with black spots all over my arms and face would make this event even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasternut Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Does that mean no mayflies this year?? Not having to walk off Millennium at 5am with black spots all over my arms and face would make this event even better! You are correct sir!!! I just hope they keep it free... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadster Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 The date on the site is correct. The park doesn't want to hold the event on the traditional date due to the ACE convention being so close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traincrossin Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Point Buzz went on an off-season tour of Cedar Point today and said on Twitter that they're going to get a Fast Lane system next year. Fast Lane coming to Cedar Point in 2012. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlover420 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, in a weird way it will bring in revenue, but at the same time, the rides that utilize it will have to add 1 or 2 more ride op positions to enforce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoshiFan Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I wonder how much they will charge (I am guessing $75+ a person). I am hoping to go to Cedar Point in the next few years and I was concerned about being able to ride all the coasters in 1 day, now that won't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopThrill182 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 In regards to this, "Cedar Point hasn't had a new coaster in 5 years," discussion, Cedar Point's actions seem pretty logical to me. Couldn't we just assume that Cedar Point--like virtually every other business entity out there at the moment--is trying to cut costs? Look at some of Six Flags' recent additions: GL, LLToD, SUF--low capacity, relatively low cost coasters/thrill rides. And many of SF"s other additions are relocations, which also cost considerably less than a new Beemer or Intamin creation. So, while there may be exceptions (X-Flight, Leviathon, etc.) many parks' capital expenditures have shrunk in size in recent years. As many have already pointed out, it's not that CP isn't adding year after year, it's just that their additions haven't been as "splashy" (nor costly) as some of their previous ones. And if we're being honest, haven't many businesses been following that trend for a few years now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traincrossin Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, in a weird way it will bring in revenue, but at the same time, the rides that utilize it will have to add 1 or 2 more ride op positions to enforce it. With the money they'll be raking in with Fast Lane, I don't think they'll have to worry about adding another ride op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Notice how the parks in Democratic areas have not gotten new coasters since 2007-2008? Cedar Point, Michigan's Adventure, Dorney Park, Great America, Valleyfair and Knotts have not received any brand new coasters and how the parks in Republican areas, King's Island, Kings Dominion and Worlds of Fun have? I recall Kinzel saying something politically related about additions back in 2008, I'd bet this contributes to Cedar Point's coaster drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I really hope you're being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 There was an interview from around 2008 that said something along the lines of "due to the changing political climate it is unlikely there will be major additions." These major additions happened to be in Republican areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougMJr Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 ^I'm no political expert... Buy why would there be a correlation between political parties and theme parks? I think it is just coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I remember reading or seeing the interview back in 2008 with him saying that it would be unlikely that he would put in large new attractions due to the changes in political leadership. I remember that comment taking my by surprise and the mapping out of additions supports his political thinking. I've been trying to find the interview but I can't find it. I found this though http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/richard-kinzel.asp?cycle=08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 This discussion is only going to lead to bad flame wars. Let's move on. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasternut Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) In regards to this, "Cedar Point hasn't had a new coaster in 5 years," discussion, Cedar Point's actions seem pretty logical to me. Couldn't we just assume that Cedar Point--like virtually every other business entity out there at the moment--is trying to cut costs? Look at some of Six Flags' recent additions: GL, LLToD, SUF--low capacity, relatively low cost coasters/thrill rides. And many of SF"s other additions are relocations, which also cost considerably less than a new Beemer or Intamin creation. So, while there may be exceptions (X-Flight, Leviathon, etc.) many parks' capital expenditures have shrunk in size in recent years. As many have already pointed out, it's not that CP isn't adding year after year, it's just that their additions haven't been as "splashy" (nor costly) as some of their previous ones. And if we're being honest, haven't many businesses been following that trend for a few years now? Sorry I couldn't keep quiet on this comment. Here are the FACTS: The last "coaster" Cedar Point put in was Maverick in 05/07. Since then (05/07) Magic Mountain has put in: Terminator / Apocalypse, Green Lantern, Road Runner Express, in 2012 Lex Luthor Drop. That's why Magic Mountain is tied with Cedar Point at 17 coasters even counting the removal of Deja Vu!!! That's 4 new COASTERS since Maverick counting Lex Luthor opening next season. P.S.: I forgot the "reworking" of Superman in 2011 to deliver a different and in my opinion a better ride. Edited December 19, 2011 by coasternut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 And Cedar Point has put in Shoot the Rapids and Windseeker. It's not like they're 4-0. It's so funny how people originally complain when a park installs giant coaster after giant coaster, without anything aimed towards anyone in the crowd other than the adrenaline junkie, and then when the park focuses on increases its demographics by becoming more well-rounded and providing thrills for all ages the complaining starts all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbydinn Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 ^ I think part of the problem is timing. Ideally, the park would switch off between family and thrill rides. But by doing a few years of thrills, and then a few years of family rides, you're leaving one demographic hanging for a while, and not adding much of particular interest to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasternut Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 And Cedar Point has put in Shoot the Rapids and Windseeker. It's not like they're 4-0. It's so funny how people originally complain when a park installs giant coaster after giant coaster, without anything aimed towards anyone in the crowd other than the adrenaline junkie, and then when the park focuses on increases its demographics by becoming more well-rounded and providing thrills for all ages the complaining starts all over again. I'm speaking of coaster rides not just any rides. Yes, I'm an adrenaline junkie , and hence my bias towards M.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 You threw in Lex Luthor and Road Runner. The first isn't a roller coaster, and the second is even less thrilling than Shoot the Rapids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunpc1 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Magic Mountain has spent millions of dollars on new roller coasters and the Point hasn't over the past few years (yes, CP has spent money on other attractions but not nearly as much). I'd love to know exactly what the ROI was on MM's coasters vs. the non-coaster additions CP has brought in. The resorts at Cedar Point are constantly full, even with no major coaster additions. If anything, Cedar Point is the smart one out of those two when it comes to creating a sustainable program for capital expenditures vs. ROI. Sure, as a coaster enthusiast, I LOVE to see new coasters. But you have to remember these companies have to make money to stay in business and make even more money to continue adding these large attractions we all love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Let me jump in here as someone who doesn't really like either park very much! CP and SFMM are appealing to VERY different patrons. CP is doing a lot to entice families to stay on property for multiple nights every year or every other year. SFMM is building a big new thing to convince teenagers and young adults to come back every year or buy a cheap pass. It's not that one is right and one is wrong, they just both have very different business plans and futures right now. If you're a strict coaster enthusiast, then yes I see your frustration with CP versus SFMM, but if you're a park enthusiast or a business man you have to appreciate what CP is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Cedar Point wins out in overall quality of rides. Magic Mountain does not have any top 10 caliber rides. Cedar Point has Millennium Force, Raptor, Magnum, Maverick and Dragster. Going to Cedar Point is like going on vacation, it is in a gorgeous setting with great rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterKings908 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Cedar Point wins out in overall quality of rides. Magic Mountain does not have any top 10 caliber rides. Cedar Point has Millennium Force, Raptor, Magnum, Maverick and Dragster. Going to Cedar Point is like going on vacation, it is in a gorgeous setting with great rides. Ah, nothing like overrated rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 ^^That's all up to opinion. Maverick for me is in my top three, but I rate X2 higher than Millennium with no doubt in my mind. And not a single other ride you listed even cracks my top ten. They're fun rides, sure, but so are Tatsu, Apocalypse, Goliath, and Riddler's Revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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