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^^ Very sad, but I do like to keep hope. Maybe an investment in refurbishing a lot of the buildings and infrastructure would pay off in the long run, but would they regain the GP just because the park looks nicer and is a much better place to go to?

 

The problem with the GP is that this park mainly caters to only one group of people: thrill seekers. Try as hard as you want in the family department, but I just don't think they can get over the fact that what's already installed is an adrenaline junkie haven. Most people still regard this park as a dump, but even with everything looking "that" much nicer, the rides will forever and always draw teens/young adults looking to ride the giant roller coaster.

 

As much as I'd love to see this park looking nice, the family department will never compete with what's already at Disneyland/KBF. Give me a few years and then I'll be begging for that mega-coaster.

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I respectfully disagree...I think its a perfect comparison...Las Vegas hotels built major attractions to bring in crowds for 20 years...the Volcano, the Pirate show, etc...those were there "roller coasters" they brought the crowds in off the street to "play in their park"...vegas crowds never cared about that a hotel built a new tower.....no one went to the new Caesars Palace because they built one of their 3 brand new towers in the 1990's - 2000's...they went because of the expansions to the Forum Shops.....the same is said for the HR expansion...the general public is not staying there at the hotel, but coming in from other hotels as well, to play inside the new revamped casino....they updated everything as well as gave it a fresh, 20-something feel, and thats bringing in the increased attendance. Now, yes you argue that there revamp was there "new attraction", but you can also argue that they didnt need any new spiffy, glitzy over the top attraction to attract guests as well.

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Don't really want to drag this debate out, but when you spend $750 million dollars to "revamp" the property (and get pushed to the brink of foreclosure in doing so), I think that qualifies as more than just cleaning the place up. The casino only generates about 30% of the hotel's revenue because people go there to party and eat and see concerts. Those people want fancy new rooms, not a cleaned up (still very tiny) casino.

 

But we're talking about two entirely different things. SFMM already failed trying to push itself as a "family" park under Jay Thomas. They need to stick to what they are good at...marketing roller coasters.

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^ I agree with Joey here, Apples and Oranges.

 

And yes, I don't ever see SFMM going back from it's "Thrill Park" roots, and becoming a Family Park. That being said, it doesn't mean they can't throw in some cool flat rides (Frisbee, Tilt a Whirl, etc) and clean the place up a bit.

 

I'd LOVE to see a Giant Frisbee somewhere in the park.

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Get rid of Goliath and put in a good giga.

 

And lose one of the best rides in the park? There's good room for a Giga, but I HIGHLY doubt they'll give up Goliath to put it in.

 

I would love to see a Giant Frisbee! That would be a wonderful addition! It may not please the thrill-seekers as much but hell they're unique and fun enough.

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^the frisbees are so much fun, so are the screamin swings. I make it a point to ride both MaxAir and Skyhawk at CP. I also enjoyed the half ride I got on Tomb Raider (I guess it's called the crypt now? Havent been since CF bought the Paramount parks) at KI. The year it was put in we got through half of the program and then it broke, the lights came on and we swung to a stop for about 15-20 minutes.

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Even with flats like giant frisbees or scream swings, we're still basically talking about thrill rides which are mostly going to attract teens and thrill seekers. I think we all agree that this is the park's permanent market and that isn't going to change, ever really.

 

So bring on the coaster!

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[Tmcdllr wrote:

Get rid of Goliath and put in a good giga.][/saber wrote: And lose one of the best rides in the park? There's good room for a Giga, but I HIGHLY doubt they'll give up Goliath to put it in.]

Getting rid of Goliath would be a big mistake since it is one of the better rides. And regarding sprucing up the park, I've always believed the park could "use a fresh coat of paint" so to speak.

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I would hope at the least that SF takes a look at what has been connecting with the gp, not only at their parks, but at their competition. What has worked to increase attendance, and what has not. Did the refurb of Monster Plantation help? Do 4D movies work at the SF parks? Did drop towers and star flyers pay off? In SFMM's case, was the coaster record helping the park's attendance or did the gp not really care?

 

Also, I think the marketing in general is way off. In SFMM's case, it is beyond rare to see them do an advertising campaign focused on the family side of the park. This year, it has been 100 MPH backwards for Superman, the Go Big logo, and GL. I don't think i've seen a single shot of BBW in a commercial in a decade, despite it being one of the better looking areas of the park. RRE squeaked into one set of commercials briefly. If they don't advertise that aspect of the park ever, why would families show up?

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The problem that they have with marketing to families is that families in southern California don't look at it is as a park with family rides so they won't go there, even if there is BBW and three small coasters. Instead they would rather pay more money to go to that other park that is an hour south on I-5.

 

SFMM figured it out years ago that being in the southern California market, they need to offer a product to the other parks in the area like Disney, Universal, and Knott's (back before Cedar Fair) didn't offer which was big nasty thrill rides. Granted the thrill seeking crowd isn't as profitable or as large as a more family base crowd or a tourist base crowd that you get at Universal or Disney. But it was a way for them to distinguish themselves from their competition with a different product and experience.

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First, while I'm in the camp that Deja Vu is an outstanding ride and will be missed because it seems like it just 'belongs' at this park, we’re going to be better off in the long run. It's a resource hog; while it does run fairly dependably these days, I'm sure it takes a lot more man-hours to keep it that way than most of the other rides in the park.

 

We all complained about the park not running rides to capacity this year due to rehab schedules and what not, and I'd put money on Deja Vu being the main contributing factor. (single train, extensive and frequent rehabs) Also, now that Superman has been updated (currently now one of my favorite rides in the park) Deja Vu seems redundant as it is now just a Batman/Superman hybrid experience. In the end, though disappointing, probably a good move all around and will complement the East park nicely.

 

Second, we can with a fair amount of certainty expect another coaster for 2012. After all the marketing for most coasters on the planet it just wouldn't make sense not to. My money is on (at least) the coaster from up north. It's close (low transport cost), its footprint is similar to what‘s being removed, it’s cheap, and it’s a unique ride for this park which is lacking a mouse-type coaster. With 18 coasters, capacity becomes less of an issue and it will still move more people than DV. We can agree that diversifying the coaster line-up is a good thing. I’m also looking forward to the “all but confirmed” drop tower. Hope it’s put up on the hill. Couldn’t hurt to tear down some of those old buildings up there.

And based on what they did with Superman and the Gotham Backlot, we can expect a nice facelift to the entire corner area I'm sure. Over the past few WCBs management has stressed that infrastructure is a priority for them now, and though the goings will be slow, they've stuck to their word so far.

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw the Colossus transformation announced as well if the coaster installation for '12 is on the smaller order. It’s inevitable at this point given the success of the Texas coaster and the direction this park has taken with its older rides. After all, why wait till the anniversary?

 

Anyone know what happened with the LogJammer removal rumor? Seems to have come and gone...

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They added First flight and improved that entire area along with it. The two are not mutually exclusive. My "hopes" aren't any higher than a relocated mouse and a drop tower. Unless you were making a pun in me saying I "hope" the drop tower goes on the hill which would then make my hopes, aptly high.

 

If I'm really hoping high then give me a launched intamin with a buttload of airtime. And a monorail.

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Ok so if DV consumed resources that could be used to rehab other rides, would not another coaster basically do the same thing? With so many coasters there removing one would not really make a difference in the rehab schedule but more staffing would.

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