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Great update, Robb!

 

I'm suprised by the amount of unused space at SFMM at this point; there used to be so many old rides and attractions sitting and taking up space, and now that many are gone, it makes parts of the park seem slightly empty. The new coasters should fill up some space, but still... a lot of attractions could be added. Today's update certainly shows this.

 

SF's recent loss of several trademark rights also seems to be taking its impact on the park. I can clearly remember when I was at Terminator's opening day, and I really liked the name and theme. But the new name feels kinda cheesy like Flight Deck at CGA: just a quickly made name due to changes in copyrights. The inevitable loss of Johnny Rocket's is kinda sad too, considering I really like their burgers.

 

One little request: if you can get a good picture of Thrill Shot for me next time you're at SFMM, I'd really appreciate it.

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JJMan, I don't think I missed your point. I see where you are coming from...

 

Cool.

 

) Point is, Raising prices isn't going to fix All the problems they have, have had, and will have. It's going to take a huge investment in infrastructure and internal overhaul before the average person will say, "sure, I'll buy a $150 Six Flags pass".

 

No, you're right. But, it will stop some parents from using a pass as the babysitter way out. Doing that, would potentially mean that on the heavy summer days, regular paying guests may have a more enjoyable day at the park. Happy people may want to spend more money. (Even if the food, etc... is crappy.)

 

Even so, only 4 trips to the park (assuming the $49 idea I tossed out) the pass pays for itself. It's that initial cost, that would make a difference.

 

 

The thing that got me on this, was that Robb said that the rides, their signature rides, didn't open with the park. There is absolutely no excuse for this. If they can't open with the park, then the SFMM management is making a HUGE "F"-up!!

 

It's far better to have shorter operating hours, with everything open on time, then to let guests in the park to "hurry up and wait" for the rides to open. Even so, that PAYING guest (pass or not) made a concerted effort (and plan) to get there early to be first in line to make their own day enjoyable.

 

Then the debacle with Tatsu. Not fully staffing IS a MAJOR management F-up, of epic proportions.

 

Of course we, as enthusiasts, see that. But, it is so damn blatant, that the GP see it too. We kind of expect things like that to happen, and get miffed. BUT, the GP genuinely get pissed off.

 

Creates a great athmosphere, ya know?

 

When Green Lantern opens to the GP on the first day, DO NOT be surprised if the same type of thing happens. Yes, they'll want their new, shiny toy to be working at full tilt, but what about the rest of the rides??

 

If past history is ANY indication --don't count on it.

 

 

JJ

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I always thought that moving the park opening time to 10:30 from 10:00 was to help allow rides to get up and running. A lot of times, you'd enter at 10 and some rides weren't ready to open yet. Obviously, that's not the case.

 

If there was just one thing I'd improve about SFMM, it's that the people running rides would be more diligent in getting trains filled and out of the station.

 

Eric

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I'm thinking/hoping that all the cheap feel right now is a quick fix before they make the final, higher quality signs, food options etc. I have always wondered how much these parks read and take into account what the public is saying. It seemed like Shapiro did a lot of that, but I am worried about the new guys. Hopefully they will continue to make Six Flags Parks higher quality feeling and maybe even add some sensible theming

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^^10 o'clock would have been fine if your employees are scheduled accordingly.

You're absolutely right about needing employees with more of a sense of urgency. They put a train counter up at X2 which in theory is supposed to motivate the employees to constantly strive to beat the previous hours count but seems like efficiency has actually gone down since that counter was added.

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Happy birthday Robb! Thank you for the update. I'm sorry to hear that your vist sort of sucked. I'll count myself among those that are hoping it was just an "off" day. Let's hope that by the time the spring and summer seasons are in full swing they've got their act together a little better. By the way, the new video for Apocalypse almost makes me think they should have renamed it, "First person shooter: The Ride". "Remember your family! Shoot to kill!"

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I understand that things happen, especially on the off season. But it seems to me like having your rides open with the park should be a job requirement, not a "let's see if we can get everything open by noon" type of thing. Someone is not being held accountable for a lackluster perfomance. Either that or the corporate office should be ripped a new one by the public. The 1-train thing is unfortunate for the guests, but I get it,It's January. But if that's the case, your employees should be hauling ass, period. Sigh.

 

Ok, I'm done. It was one day and I hope it was just one of those things.

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Wow, I really hope that Apocalypse sign is temporary. I too am not impressed. However, I'll grant that the appearance of a sign is much less important than many other aspects of a park visit.

 

I disagree. I feel that every little detail plays into a guest's experience and whether or not they'll want to spend money and return to the park. Whether it's puke on a trash can, long queues, or a cheesy ride sign, they all say something about the park and how much they care. There is no detail too small in making a great experience for your customer.

 

Oh, and by the way...GO DUCKS!!! (I'm from Eugene, but moved to L.A. about 5 years ago)

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So a final recap/thoughts from my day at the park. First of all I got there later than I usually do. Even coming from San Diego I usually arrive for opening but today I had a late start and didn't get to the front gate until 11:20. Season pass processing looked like a zoo so I skipped processing my parking pass add-on until later.

 

I had an 8 year old with me who can only hit the 48" rides. So the only sfmm credit she can get and didn't have yet was X2. We went there right away and it had just opened, saw the running of empty trains from the parking lot as we came in. We waited a half hour and that was the longest wait of the day. Next we hit Apocalypse and rode it several times. The ride ops were letting us stay on as long as no one was waiting for the seat you were in. I couldn't believe how many half empty trains there were and got the impression that a lot more people would repeat if they weren't forced through the pre -show.

 

I looked longingly at Riddler's and Batman as we walked past them, skipping them because of the shorty with me. But it took several minutes to even notice a train going on Riddler's, I had thought it was closed until I finally saw one heading up the lift hill. I'm surprised they are running Riddler's with one train, but they were doing this back in November when I was there last and I waited 45mins for single rider line with no one ahead of me because the ride ops completely ignored me and I didn't want to be rude. Anyway, I wasn't going to do that again.

 

We headed to Colossus and it wasn't really surprising there wasn't a line for that and we rode it a couple times front and back. Then we went to Goliath and I got the mini me to hit the front train for the first time, she did it like a champ and there wasn't a wait there either. I love pirate ship rides and we hit up Buccaneer next. Left for lunch, came back and processed my dang parking pass addon, got out coupon books and went back in for round two.

 

I indulged a little and went on Viper without the mini me. Love this ride but probably for sentimental reasons, I was 10 when it opened and it was the first really intense, scared me to death and left me wanting for me coaster I can remember. It was rough, train 2, front seat, the wheels looked worn down I noticed before I got on.

 

We hit X2 again, no line at all, just walked up and got second row seats, mini me wasn't brave enough for first row and didn't really believe me that there wasn't much difference. Hit up Revolution at the little one's request, then up the hill to Ninja (Hi-ya!). Superman's paint looks amazing. Back for a few more rides on Apocalypse, again staying on for a few turns until there were people waiting and one last run on Goliath before calling it a day and heading to IHOP and back down the 5 to home.

 

We had a good time, but I'm sure I would have been frustrated waiting for Tatsu and Riddler's, especially if I was there for park opening and those rides weren't ready. If you open at 10:30 the rides should be ready at 10, thats my opinion though and I dont run things.

 

The park did look tired and run down today, but I do expect that in the dead of winter, I hardly ever go at this time of year, although for my experience today, can't beat the lack of lines.

 

Here's hoping that the park seems more motivated for WCB. I know I can't wait.

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Left for lunch, came back and processed my dang parking pass addon, got out coupon books and went back in for round two.

 

I think this comment you made speaks volumes into part of what we are talking about. If the park had a good selection of reasonably priced (for a park, at least) places to eat, people wouldn't have to leave the park to eat. The last time I was there, lunch cost me around $45 for me and my two sons, and that was just personal pizzas and sodas. Way too much!

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The end bit where they are running through the coaster fighting and such was pretty fun, they should just do that. Put some fog machines all throughout the park, shoot 30-40 minutes worth of Apocalyptic fighting,.

 

Cody "We don't need a storyline to know that thing's have gone bad" Davis

 

Come on man. That would suck! That's like being forced to watch COD:BO on TV while you could be actually riding roller coasters.

 

And it's an insult to the actor(s)....kinda.

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Left for lunch, came back and processed my dang parking pass addon, got out coupon books and went back in for round two.

 

I think this comment you made speaks volumes into part of what we are talking about. If the park had a good selection of reasonably priced (for a park, at least) places to eat, people wouldn't have to leave the park to eat. The last time I was there, lunch cost me around $45 for me and my two sons, and that was just personal pizzas and sodas. Way too much!

 

I'm not so opposed to the price of food as I am the selection, I expect amusement park pricing for food. I can't be at a park with a grease ball or dairy in my stomach and I don't find much at Six Flags that I like to eat, but I know that going in and plan accordingly, not a big deal to me really.

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I agree for the most part on the generally crappy food offerings and high prices, but I've found Mooseburger lodge to be surprisingly affordable (in theme park terms) for the pretty-good quality of food and free soda refills. I just figured I'd throw that out there in case anyone hadn't tried it for fear it was a rip-off.

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Left for lunch, came back and processed my dang parking pass addon, got out coupon books and went back in for round two.

 

I think this comment you made speaks volumes into part of what we are talking about. If the park had a good selection of reasonably priced (for a park, at least) places to eat, people wouldn't have to leave the park to eat. The last time I was there, lunch cost me around $45 for me and my two sons, and that was just personal pizzas and sodas. Way too much!

Is all you ever do is bitch about the park? Seriously. You just come off like a total asshole in almost everything you say. You don't offer anything constructive. Just complain, complain, complain. Most of us who have issues with the park are at least being constructive, and you know, even when we do complain about stuff, many of us are having FUN with it regardless. We know the park isn't perfect. But you take every comment someone makes and turns it into something completely negative. You, honestly, are just being annoying. If you have a complaint, that's fine. But don't come off like you're "ooh, I'm a sr project manager for a fortune 500 company...i'm so f**king cool..." above everyone else and know more than the rest of us do. Seriously, your posts have really gotten on my tits lately.

 

--Robb "I honestly feel sorry for Mark Shapiro and Jay Thomas for having to have read your obnoxious 8 pages of bullshit." Alvey

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Left for lunch, came back and processed my dang parking pass addon, got out coupon books and went back in for round two.

 

I think this comment you made speaks volumes into part of what we are talking about. If the park had a good selection of reasonably priced (for a park, at least) places to eat, people wouldn't have to leave the park to eat. The last time I was there, lunch cost me around $45 for me and my two sons, and that was just personal pizzas and sodas. Way too much!

Is all you ever do is bitch about the park? Seriously. You just come off like a total a$$hole in almost everything you say. You don't offer anything constructive. Just complain, complain, complain. Most of us who have issues with the park are at least being constructive, and you know, even when we do complain about stuff, many of us are having FUN with it regardless. We know the park isn't perfect. But you take every comment someone makes and turns it into something completely negative. You, honestly, are just being annoying. If you have a complaint, that's fine. But don't come off like you're "ooh, I'm a sr project manager for a fortune 500 company...i'm so f**king cool..." above everyone else and know more than the rest of us do. Seriously, your posts have really gotten on my tits lately.

 

--Robb "I honestly feel sorry for Mark Shapiro and Jay Thomas for having to have read your obnoxious 8 pages of bull$#!%." Alvey

 

Boom, Roasted.

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@ John (Mechanic): I like Mooseburger Lodge, to be honest. To date the only problem I've had there was once when they charged me $57,000 for lunch with my family (an error, obviously, and one that was corrected immediately ).

 

About the latest map...interesting that they published a version that shows Superman in its new colors for 2011, but no location of Green Lantern or Little Flash (they had Mr. Six's Dance Coaster shown over by Deja Vu on last year's map). I noticed that the Superman tower is way taller than the Sky Tower, which is an exaggeration, of course---most likely just to promote it because of its makeover for this year. I just hope the maps don't start getting all cartoony like they were till last year.

 

Eric

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